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Rogue. The Journey to Power, Compassion, and Wisdom
There are some villains who seem so innately suited to heroism that even company writers, not just fans, long so much to see them fill such a role that the characters soon ARE filling the role people desire. Magneto is far the first, though even Dr.Doom has stepped up to the plate as need has historically required, but perhaps the most inevitable case is that of the young woman many now call Anna Marie, better known as Rogue of X-Men fame.
I've seen relatively few threads about her for some reason, despite the fact that she is revealed as a favorite, if not the favorite, of perhaps a third of all the comic fans I personally know.
I plan to begin correcting that today, for there are few characters whose arc I've enjoyed more over the years, and the sheer versatility of Rogue's original power set has allowed writers an excuse to "tour" the Marvel Universe while telling an eclectic "Coming of Age" story. So, without further ado ...
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Possibility
Pausing here because the above was and is a "time capsule" moment for a lot of people, Marvel Comics staff included. A villain with the power of Thor?
What would that mean?
Well, the original story gives a partial answer, even as the heroes desperately move to distract Rogue from what the likely answer right there would have been.
It must have been an unsatisfactory answer to some, for Marvel would more fully explore the question more than a decade later:
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Source: What if ...? #66 v2
Story: "What If Rogue Possessed the Power of Thor"
I text this in 2018 amazed at how much the world has changed. In point of fact, for instance, this story, not Avengers Annual #10, was the first time I learned Rogue had history that predated her membership in the X-Men, indeed I learned of the character largely through the animated series of the early 1990s, and not the comics at all. What a time to be a fan! Every Saturday you could look forward to the characters you'd read about in books coming to life on your own home screen!
Fortunate thing, too: the source material these television programs were based on were EXTREMELY hard to find. Internet was in its infancy then, research had to be conducted largely through phone and shop-to-shop searches through steadily vanishing stores. Perhaps worse still was that, if you DID know where to look, your search often ended with the mere sighting of a book cover. Origin stories were a plastic-sealed rarity sellers were unwilling to allow perusal of without purchase, usually for a fee of $5 to $10 or more.
The search was often fun, especially if you were blessed enough to have family or like-minded friends taking you, but it is hard to relate just how unthinkably much more access people have in the present digital age, than the world of 25 years ago.
At any rate, going back to the story, W.I.66 gives us the chance to see what our title character COULD have accomplished mainstream save for happenstance and some heavily implied restraint.
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Conflict, The Dazzler.
With the sentiments expressed in the previous showing, you'd expect to see a lot of conscience wrestling beginning to take place with Rogue.
Although it's reasonable to expect, what we SEE as readers in Rogue's next few appearances is a seeming zeal for the cause of Mystique, which even Mystique herself does not share, and not that of Rom the SpaceKnight, and Rogue's target is a young mutant woman named Allison Blair. Actually there are some psychologists who would tell you this is exactly what we should be seeing; Rogue is trying to reconcile her past loyalties as she is now afraid of losing them.
She thus acts opposite her true desire. Alternately, the specific targets of Angel and Dazzler can be understood as fear and frustration from Rogue: she wants to be just like these people -- beautiful, famous, rich, heroic, accepted -- yet thinks it an unattainable pipe dream at this point for herself. Actually, in her second encounter, she admits to wanting at least a portion of what Dazzler has and tries to take it in perhaps the most literal way possible.
This dramatic interlude of apparent backsliding takes place in the pages of Dazzler #s 22, 23, 24, and 28.
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Source: Dazzler #24
When I first read this story, with the dialogue of a previous issue being as singular as it was when Alison was informed who her visitor was, I thought the "sister" might be Rogue in disguise, using her membership in Mystique's "Sisterhood" as half-truth. In point of fact the visitor is who she says she is, and Rogue, who soon comes knocking, uses that fact to bully Alison.
Dazzler realizes she is not any real match for Rogue in a close-quarters encounter, and so, angry though she is over Rogue's unfair involvement of Dazzler's family, wisely subverts her own anger and instead goads Rogue into chasing her. I am a little curious as to what the message is that the author intended readers to interpret regarding the gaze between Rogue and Alison (Dazzler) 's sister, but it's academic. Rogue soon catches up to Dazzler. Despite her best effort and use of environment, Rogue quickly gains upper hands over Alison, who seems to be afraid Rogue will break her wrists and then kill her.
In point of fact, Rogue does neither and instead releases her grip and tells Alison she has wanted to experience the Dazzler's power for her own ever since she first saw it. Despite her obsession, tough talk and threats prior to this (and certainly issues later) Rogue has now established a pattern of relative mercy and restraint. She does not truly seem interested in killing or even harming Dazzler in any serious way. Or anybody else for that matter. Her desire instead seems to be to conquer Dazzler, and, though she talks of being superior to Alison, BECOME Dazzler to whatever extent possible.
Of course, Rogue still has a lot to learn.
Luke Cage and Iron Fist are able to get the drop on Rogue in her distraction.
She expresses surprise that Dazzler and her team don't try to maximize damage on the other side though given a chance.
In truth, even at this point, that's no longer Rogue's modus operandi, either, if indeed it ever was.
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For all intents and purposes, Rogue's career as a villain ends with the following story. The famous storyline of her seeking the X-men due to her Carol Danvers haunted and tortured psyche will follow, but, as a deliberate agent of any sort of lawfully wicked plans, delegated or self-initiated, this is it.
The opening was a great surprise to me.
Fans of Rogue often love displaying her physical strength.
Indeed, there is such a culture of it that Marvel Comics itself identifiably mined a fan site and modeled a scene of Rogue grappling with Juggernaut for use in TubeJug's latest foray against the X-Men in Uncanny Avengers #29.
Yet in more than 20 years of following the character, I can honestly say I'd never seen the following till this year, though it's one of the most imaginative and visually impressive strength showings I've seen to date:
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A handstand press up into a single-arm hold.
Against the resistance of untold thousands of pounds of force from an incredibly thick bus-sized spring. I'd wager future Capcom digital animators happened upon something like this; fans of the Street Fighter Alpha series will note the remarkable similarity between Rogue's powerful press-up here, and the handstand "kick" super of characters Cammy, Juli, and Juni.
That comment about locomotives was no throwaway, either.
Some Marvel writer DEFINITELY kept THAT idea in mind ...
Back to the story. Rogue's obsession with Dazzler reaches its zenith and finally results once more in an open physical confrontation ...
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Madness?
It is somewhat difficult to ascribe motive to Rogue during her early appearances, though the overriding sense is one of a basically good but angry young teenager searching desperately for guidance lashing out at the world in frustration.
After her inevitable induction into comicdom's most famous fighting team of mutants, in fact, Rogue will even say HERSELF that she was crazy.
This view seems to have been endorsed by Marvel early on AND throughout retcons. One mentioned earlier is particularly revealing of how troubled she is and gives a good hint of why that is and what she REALLY wants, actions aside:
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Source: What If ...? #66 v.2
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As alluded to just a little bit ago, Rogue had reason to debut as villainous; some of them quite good. Just being a standard because the story demands it would have done the trick, or evil, or a youth, but Rogue has the added misfortune of being under the tutelage of Mystique. It's also plausible that the multitude of people she's presumably contacted before now have made her unbalanced.
One thing I've not seen covered many places before, however, is the fact that the person Rogue's familiar "Supergirl" a la Claremont power set came from was arguably quite messed up herself, and, even barring that, almost sociopathically ruthless. Carol Danvers. She makes note of this herself in that X-Men #158 encounter. If we were in any wise to understand she'd have failed to end Mystique in earlier times here, later Marvel writers didn't think so. In Ms.Marvel #9, we get a glimpse of her rage, intensity, and unbalance:
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