That thread is made just as some sort of investigatory experiment, out of curiosity. Digi, I promice you that won't become a trend (unless some socks take up "bad example") so please don't close that one immediately.
So, the point was to see how would Wolverine fare against a skilled martial artist, who's arguably faster than Logan (has a great deal of feats to support that), agile and has desent energy-based powers.
IMO, against calm and patient fighter Wolvie's berserker rage would be little help.
She linked to his respect thread on the first post.
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Look at the respect thread. There're comics showings (it's a pity that part of Balckout showings was ruined by recent Imageshack "plague").
But if you want numbers... In games, his Blackout evasive move is shown as a teleportation. In reality (and in NeoSun comics on which I've based the thread) it's just a speedup to the point when he looks like a black blurry shadow to the human eye. The speed is compared (and maybe even greater) to the one chi-amped Iron Fist demonstrated when dodged bullets by "weaving" betweeen them. K' has a bit similiar feat in comics when he used his Blackout speedup to dodge computer aimed mashinegun fire (last post on the second page of his respect thread)...So, that's basically low level speedster level.
As for speed fighting, well...he can deliever about 14-15 punches per second.
As for strenght...I think that he's on Nightwing level, maybe a bit higher. But definetely not as strong as Wolverine with adamantium skeleton. On the other hand, K' can (and often does that) use his fire-related powers to add extra strength to his kicks and punches. You know, focusing flame inwards and things like that...
Actually, in comics K' is even stronger than in games...He has some interesting (and desent) flame control feats- like the one with lava stream. See the respect thread for more..
Actually without KO rule the only Wolvie's steady chance in that fight is to regenerate from everything (from skilled kicks/punches to deadly flame blasts that are capable on blowing up skyscrapers) and to wait until his opponent gets tired...or bored, which is more likely to happen.
And with this rule... K' is more than capable of KOing Wolvie for those 15 seconds. He's faster and more agile than Wolverine on average, capable on keeping distance and is a skilled martial artist with his own mixed (most probably Jet Kun Do based) but very effective fighting style. While Wolvie fighting skills are a bit rusty by now and fighting on instincts and berserk rage against patient skilled fighter is not the best idea in the world.
IMO, that's enough for 9\10 victory.
As for battle calculation, he justdoesn't need to do it himself- he has a Canadian cyborg partner and best friend who does it for him if needed, so he dosn't suffer from the absense of Midnighter-like calculation powers, having a friend with those powers. But he's very creative person when it comes to battle improvisation...
Strenghtwise K' might be weaker than Wolvie...at least when it comes to lifting strenght (he wasn't seen lifting anything heavier than 240 kg). But lower lifting strenght doesn't matter there, since K' can hit with at least a few tons force (speed affects the force of hit; also he can add tis pyrokinesis powers into it). And it isn't a weightlifting contest, so Wolvie's lifting strenght advantage doesn't help him much.
Another Wolvie's supporters argument is his experience- Wolverine is almost 200 years old, while his opponent is just 19 years old (though he was raised as a "killing machine" since he was around 10 years old)... Well, Wolvie was KOed by people much younger than he...and his Chang Chi fight is f*cking PIS...Chang Chi is a horribly underrated character...maybe even more underrated than Taskmaster.
So age isn't the thing that matters there, especially taking into account that Wolverine rarely uses his fighting skills on "uber level" so without practice they became a bit rusty.
Taskmaster is skilled but has turned into a jobber lately. He doesn't possess any ACTUAL skill, he copies others.
Shang Chi should beat anyone below class 40. If Wolvie beat him, that's PIS.
Check out "The hunted" and "best there is" for insane Wolverine feats. The man can have his eye ripped out with no healing factor and still survive
If K uses his speed then he should win this pretty much every time. If he tries to use ranged, Wolverine can endure it and kill him. Skill won't save Wolverine when his speed is sub-par.
I know about Wolverine's feats. And Wolvie's fight with Shang Chi was a bit like his fight with Lobo. Shang Chi is easily one of the best Marvel martial artists..and he gets owned in 4 panels of relatively crappy fight? That was stupid. Shang shouldn't have lost like that...And that shameful 5 in handbook...Poor Shang...
And about tactics...You're right. Pyrokinesis alone won't be the key to the Kay Dash's victory...but superior speed and agility are. Pyrokinesis helps only in the way that unlike Wolvie, K' isn't limited to close range attacks, and fast and agile enough to avoid Wolvie's claws...but he isn't someone like Torch or Nitro, who are pyrokinesis-happy only. He's at least at Iron Fist level as a martial artist. And 15 well landed fiery punches and kicks per second would surely be more that annoyance to Wolvie...
No 19 year old is on Iron Fist' level. Take X-23 for example, trained for many, many years. Still no comparable to Iron Fist.
It's true that Shang has turned into a jobber lately, he got owned by that Dragon in "Wisdom" as well. He doesn't get as much credit as he should.
Wolverine's no slowbie either, he has enhanced strength which is above peak human and he has very good feats against speedsters. Given his strength, I'd give Wolverine the majority here, strength and healing factor.
Attacking tires K. Wolverine took bullets and cuts from a hundred people
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