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Astner
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The Presence isn't #1 in DCU.

Lucifer #75. Lucifer is leaving creation and entering the void. After a couple of meetings, he meets up with an aspect of his father. They talk about the past, present, and future concerning the two of them.

That aspect of the Presence reveals that although he is infinite and external, he was shaped by forces external even to himself , and that Lucifer knows what they are.

On a lesser note, it has been revealed that there was a third brother -- Gabriel, who imposed form and shape to Creation after Samael.

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Nov 19th, 2006 05:19 PM

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Lucifer takes place in Vertigo making it non-canonical to the main DCU.

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Lucifer takes place in Vertigo making it non-canonical to the main DCU.

Sandman have appeared in DC, n'uff said ...

Besides ... The God od Vertigo is sometimes refered to as the Presence.

Nov 19th, 2006 05:23 PM

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Sandman have appeared in DC, n'uff said ...

Besides ... The God od Vertigo is sometimes refered to as the Presence.

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Sandman have appeared in DC, n'uff said ...

Besides ... The God od Vertigo is sometimes refered to as the Presence.

...and ?

That could be easily chalked up as The MAIN DC's Morpheus. Like how there are technically more then one Galactus.

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...and ?

That could be easily chalked up as The MAIN DC's Morpheus. Like how there are technically more then one Galactus.

'could' = estimation = speculation = nope

Andyhow, Presence is not supreme in Vertigo, as for DCU, nothing is stated, but he's probobly not.

Nov 19th, 2006 06:22 PM

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'could' = estimation = speculation = nope

Andyhow, Presence is not supreme in Vertigo, as for DCU, nothing is stated, but he's probobly not.

"probably" = estimation = speculation = nope?

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"probably" = estimation = speculation = nope?

Well yeah, but it would be wierd if:
Presence DCU >> Presence Vertigo

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Lucifer takes place in Vertigo making it non-canonical to the main DCU.

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Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
'could' = estimation = speculation = nope

Andyhow, Presence is not supreme in Vertigo, as for DCU, nothing is stated, but he's probobly not.

Ok then if you want to be picky.

Sandman + Lucifer = Vertigo , Vertigo = Non Canon.

Anything that appeared is simply a anomaly or mistake.

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Ok then if you want to be picky.

Sandman + Lucifer = Vertigo , Vertigo = Non Canon.

Anything that appeared is simply a anomaly or mistake.

So GEB, Lucifer, Michael, Yawhew, Elanie ect. are all non canon and loses by default in any battles in the versus forum, because their feat and statements don't count?

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So GEB, Lucifer, Michael, Yawhew, Elanie ect. are all non canon and loses by default in any battles in the versus forum, because their feat and statements don't count?

Nope.

But any feats or statements they've made within a MAINSTREAM Dc comic is null and void.

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Re: The Presence isn't #1 in DCU.

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Lucifer #75. Lucifer is leaving creation and entering the void. After a couple of meetings, he meets up with an aspect of his father. They talk about the past, present, and future concerning the two of them.

That aspect of the Presence reveals that although he is infinite and external, he was shaped by forces external even to himself , and that Lucifer knows what they are.

On a lesser note, it has been revealed that there was a third brother -- Gabriel, who imposed form and shape to Creation after Samael.

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Wait...

So the prescence isn't god in the DC Universe? confused

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Wait...

So the prescence isn't god in the DC Universe?

Well he is God, but not Supreme, at least not in Vertigo ...

The Blue brother (pre-retcon) however was stated to be the supreme being in all of DC just like the Red brother (pre-retcon) was stated to be supreme in all of Marvel.
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Well he is God, but not Supreme, at least not in Vertigo ...

The Blue brother (pre-retcon) however was stated to be the supreme being in all of DC just like the Red brother (pre-retcon) was stated to be supreme in all of Marvel.
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and there have been a few xovers between dcu and vertigo though nowadays it is a bit of a grey area whether vertigo is canon to the dcu. hypertime is/was suppose to connect ALL of dc (including elseworlds) but nowadays it's hard to say for certain.

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Supreme to everything in his creation ... evil face

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supreme?

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and there have been a few xovers between dcu and vertigo though nowadays it is a bit of a grey area whether vertigo is canon to the dcu. hypertime is/was suppose to connect ALL of dc (including elseworlds) but nowadays it's hard to say for certain.

That is why I said pre-retcon Amalgam Brothers ...
You posted their retcon ...

Nov 19th, 2006 08:50 PM

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