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MF DELPH
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This thread is for us, as a community, to develop a tier system for the expanded battle options here in the versus forum (until a sub-forum can be created).

Similar to the comic book character tier system. This will give us a rough estimation of which characters are "peers" to their "mainstream" comic book counterparts, and will help to determine what constitutes a viable mixed genre match up for this forum.

This will be an open forum, however, please keep this constructive. We all have opinions and the right to express them, but no unwarranted character bashing, or insulting of one another, will be tolerated.

The rules are the same general rules as the comic tier system

Rules:
1. Any changes made, please try to bold them to point them out to others.
2. Alphabetize the list as needed.
3. Discussion should take place before a change, and at least 2-3 others (who are relatively "unbiased" and not huge fans of a particular character) should agree with you before an official change takes place.
4. I can't update the Master List every day. Be patient, and don't whine to me about changes that need edited in.
5. If you can't get support for a proposed change, let it drop once you've made your case.
6. Have fun and enjoy. This list obviously isn't perfect, but it will end up being one of the better indicators of power anywhere by the time it's refined and added to.

Notes:
1. This list is based off of total "power" in all its forms. Individual matchups might mean that someone in a lower tier could beat someone in a higher tier, but we're basing the list on general power levels, not individual matchups.

Current Mainstream Comic Character Tiers


Sub-Skyfather (Transcendent)

Amazo, Appolyon, The Asgardian Destroyer,Black Racer, Blackheart, Blaze, Circe, Count Abyss, Death Urge, Despero, The Doctor, Dr. Fate, Dr. Strange (classic), Eclipso, Elders of the Universe (minus Ego), Fernus, The General (Shaggy Man), Gog, Gray Man, High Evolutionary, Ion (current), Jenny Quantum, The Keeper, King Thor, Magus (original), Mangog, Mongul I (Pre Crisis), Nightmare, Onimar Synn, Onslaught, Queen of Fables, Resurrection Man 1 Million, Sentinel (Alan Scott), Silver Age Kryptonians/Daxamites, Solomon Grundy (Peak), Solusandra, Stayne, Strange Visitor, Sun Eater, Superboy Prime, Superman 1 Million, Takion, Tanaraq, Thanos, Tyrant (powered down), Validus

Herald:

High:
Adam Warlock, Baron Zemo (w/ Moonstones), Cyborg Superman, The Eradicator (Fortress Mode), Genis-Vell, Green Lantern (Hal, Kyle, Alan), Infinity-Man, Majestic, Moonstone (w/ both stones), Qztr, The Sentry, The Silver Surfer, Sinestro, Spartan 3.0, Stardust, Superman (including B/R and AS), Thor, The Void

Middle:
Alexander Nero, Beta Ray Bill, Binary, Black Adam, Black Bolt, Cable (Full Power), Captain Atom, Cpt. Comet,Captain Marvel (DC), Damien Hellstrom, Doomsday, Evinlea, The Fallen One, Firelord, The Flash III (Wally West), The Flash IV (Bart Allen), General Zod, Gladiator, Green Lantern (Guy, John, Katma, Kilowog), Hyperion, Ikaris, Imperiex Probes, Kid Omega, Lobo, Loki, Magus (Post-IG), Martian Manhunter, Maxima, Mon-El, Morg, Nate Grey, Orion, Quasar, Rachel Summers (Phoenix II), Red Shift, Skreet, Supergirl, Supreme, Swamp Thing, Terrax the Tamer, Void, Waverider, Wildfire, Wonder Woman

Low:
Absorbing Man, Air Walker, Animal Man, Apocalypse, Apollo, Argent, The Atom, Aztek, Bizarro Superman, Breach, Cassandra Nova, Cir-El, Count Nefaria, Damage, Darkness, Darwin, Death's Head 3.0, Death Metal, Dr. Doom, Dr. Invincible, Dr. Light, Dr. Polaris, Drax The Destroyer, Engineer, Etrigan, Exodus, Fin Fang Foom, Firestorm, The Flash II (Barry Allen), Gammid, Gamora (w/Godslayer), Ganondorf, Gilgamesh, Gorilla Grodd, Graviton, Green Lantern (Soranik Natu), He-Man, Hector Hammond, Hulk, Iceman, Isis, Jade, Jack Hawksmoor (in city), Jack of Hearts, Jericho, Juggernaut (Classic), Kalibak, Lightray, Living Monolith, Lunatik, Magneto, Major Force, Makkari, Man-Beast, Manchester Black, Mar-Vell, Matrix Supergirl, Meggan, Mongul, Monica Rambeau (Pulsar), Mr. M, Nova (Frankie Raye), Nova Richard Rider (current), Plastic Man, Prime, Professor X, Raven, The Ray, Red Tornado, Ronan the Accuser, Saturn Girl, Selene (External), Sersi, Shadow King, Shaman, Starhawk, Super Skrull, Superboy, Tempest, Ultra Boy, Ultra-Humanite, Ultron, Union, Vulcan, Winter, Zauriel,

Metahuman (Mid-tier "Iron Man" level)

High:
Abomination, Adam Strange, Aquaman, Ares (Marvel), Atlas, Aurora, Batman 1 Million, Battalion (Jackson King), Blastaar, Blob, Captain Britain, Captain Marvel Jr, Colossus, Death's Head II, Donna Troy, Emma Frost, Ghost Rider II, Grim Reaper, Guardian I, Havok, Hellstrike, Hercules (Mortal), Holocaust, The Human Torch, Invisible Woman, Iron-Man, Jean Grey (sans Phoenix), Jenny Sparks, Juggernaut (Depowered), Kang, Karate Kid, Living Laser, Mandarin, Mary Marvel, Maul, Mercer Drake, Metallo, Mimic (Exiles), Miss Martian, Mr. Fantastic, Mr. Sinister, Namor the Sub-Mariner, Nightshade, Nimrod, Northstar, Ocean Master, Osiris, Pitt, Polaris, Power Girl, Psylocke, Radioactive Man, Sand, Sasquatch, Shassa, She-Hulk, Starfire, Storm, Supernova, Temugin, The Thing, Thunderstrike, The Tick, Ulik, Ultimo, Vision, War Machine, Wonder Man, Zzaxx

Middle:
Aegis, Atom Smasher, Attuma, Balder, Beast Boy, Bishop, Blink, Blue Beetle (Jamie Reyes), Blue Devil, Bombshell, Booster Gold, Box, Carnage, Cloak, Corrin, Crystal, Cyborg, Cyclops, Death's Head, Death Wreck, Dust, Electro, Elijah Snow, Enchantress, Farenheit, Flint, Fuji, Ghost Rider (Johnny Blaze), Ghost Rider(Dan Ketch), Grace Choi, Hawkgirl, Hawkman, Hellion, The Flash I (Jay Garrick), Kymaera/Namorita, Lightning Lad, Link, Matua, M.O.D.O.K., Moonstone, Morlun, Ms. Marvel, Nico Minoru, Ogun, Quicksilver (classic), Ragman, Rogue, rom, Shadowcat, Shift, Steel, Terra, Thunder, Tiger Shark, Toxin, Vance Astro, Vengeance, Wonder Girl,

Low:
3-D Man, Ambrose Chase, Angel, Arachne, Arana, Azrael, Beast, Black Canary, Black Tarantula, Blade, Blue Beetle (Dan Garrett), Bruenor Battlehammer, Century, Charcoal, Charlie 27, Constrictor, Creeper, Cyber, Dagger, Deathlok, Deathstroke the Terminator, Doc Ock, Drizzt Do'Urden, Elixer, Falcon, Firehawk, Gambit, Green Goblin, Hobgoblin, Iron Fist, Jakita Wagner, K', Karnak, Kid Devil, Killer Croc, Klaw, Lady Deathstrike, Longshot, Luke Cage, Machine Man, Man-Bat, Mercury, Midnighter, Mister Hyde, Molly Hayes, Multiple Man, Mysterio, Mystique, Nightcrawler, Nova Richard Rider (classic), Nuke, Omega Red, Orka Humbug, Prometheus, Protocide, Puck, Puma, Rage, Ryu Hayabusa, Sabretooth, Shang Chi, Silver Samurai, Speedball, Speedfreek, Spider-Man, Spider-Man 2099, Spider-Woman, Swift, Thunder Cats, Tombstone, Triathalon, Vance Astro, Vanguard, Venom, Vermin, Victor Mancha, Vulture, Warlock (Technarchy/Phalanx), Warpath, Wizard, Wolverine, Wulfgar

Street Level

High:
Bane, Batgirl, Batman, Black Cat, Black Panther, Blacklash, Bronze Tiger, Bullseye, Captain America, The Cat, Constantine Drakon, Daredevil, Elektra, Green Arrow, Hawkeye, Hush, Kingpin, Lady Shiva, Ravager, Red Skull, Richard Dragon, Taskmaster, Union Jack, X-23

Middle:
Red Hood , Arsenal/Red Arrow, Baron Zemo, Blue Beetle (Ted Kord), Crossbones, Deadshot, Echo, Grifter, Joker, Mach IV, Misty Knight, Moon Knight, Nick Fury, Nightwing, Nomad, Peacemaker, Punisher, Ra's Al Ghul, Rose Tattoo, Turok, Wildcat

Low:
Alfred, Batroc, Black Widow, Catwoman, Christine Trelane, Colleen Wing, Night Thrasher, Obregon Kaine, Penguin, The Question, Riddler, Robin, Talia, White Tiger



Alternate Genre Character Tiers:

(Current Established Standings)

(Changes in Bold)

Abstract Level:
Ascended Ancients (as a race) [Stargate SG-1], Dialga [Pokemon], Haruhi Suzumiya, Palkia [Pokemon], Q [Star Trek: TNG],

Skyfather Level:
Kevin Uxbridge [Star Trek: TNG], Pyron,

Sub-Skyfather (Transcendent) Level:
Z, Unicron

Herald Level:

Elite:

High:
KOS-MOS (Full Power), Nono Diebuster, Son Goku (SSJ4),

Middle:
Aku, Broly [Dragonball], Crystalline Entity [Star Trek: TNG], Dante (DMC - Sparda Form), Popeye (w/Spinach)

Low
Darth Nihilus, Ganondorf, Godzilla, King Ghidorah, Mew-Two, Santa Claus, Sephiroth, Ultraman, Voltron [Lionforce]


Metahuman (Mid-tier "Iron Man" Level):

Elite:
Armus [Star Trek: TNG], Fuma [X], Kamui[X], Kratos, Nappa, Neo [The Matrix], Yusuke Urameshi

High:
Blossom, Bubbles, Buttercup, Crocodile, Galvatron, Guyver, Happosai, Iron Giant, Kenshiro, Mega Man, Regigigas, Samus Aran, Sora (Kingdom Hearts), Sun Wukong (The Monkey King)

Middle:
Alex Mercer, Dante (DMC), Harry Potter, Itachi Uchiha, Jiraiya, Kain, Kakashi, Link, Mace Windu, Masamune Date, Michael Corvin (Underworld), Orochimaru, Popeye (w/o Spinach), Sarah Kerrigan (Zergified), Seras, Tsunade

Low:
Bowser , Data [Star Trek: TNG], Father [KND], Harry Dresden, K', Phantom Limb, Ranma Saotome, Rurouni Kenshin, Ryouga Hibiki, Ryu Hayabasa, Samurai Jack, Vash the Stampede,

Street Level:

Elite:
Afro Samurai, Brock Samson, Riddick

High:
Angel , Buffy the Vampire Slayer, John Rambo, Spike Spiegel,

Middle:
Chewbacca, Huo Yuanjia (Fearless)], Teal'c (Stargate SG1), Worf [Star Trek: TNG]

Low:
Sly Cooper

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The problem with anime and manga characters (which I assume is what this will be mainly used for) is that once you get past DBZ, there is a huge jump, and nearly all of the stronger anime characters are outright gods (Celestial/Eternity level or higher) and would be off the chart.


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Which is why we'll develop this system to distinguish which match-ups aren't allowed. This is to have a rough map of where a character stands compared to a mainstream peer (like Solid Snake and Captain America). Once we've done this ground work it will help alleviate some of the future mismatches that are bound to ensue.


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If this includes video game characters I vote Master Chief for low level Metahuman.


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Illa, you are a genius. big grin This should probably be in the comic book section though. stick out tongue


Alucard for high/mid herald

Lina Inverse for mid herald

Link for mid meta

Dante for high meta

2nd Master Chief for low meta

Samus for mid tier meta

Anubis & Jehuty for mid herald you have no idea how long I've been trying to get those two into the other tier list......

Spike Spiegel for high street

Ranma Saotome for low meta

Ryouga Hibiki for low meta

Happosai for mid/high meta

Rugal Bernstein for high meta

Gouki (Akuma for everyone else) for low herald

Ryu Hayabusa for low meta

Kelthuzad for mid herald

Don't let Arthas on the list. Seriously. He's at least skyfather. Unless it's DK Arthas, in which case, mid/high meta.

Where do we put alternate forms? Or they count under the main character? If the latter, change Rugal to low herald.


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Kain from Legacy Of Kain-Herald level mid/high
Kratos-Herald level low


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No. Not Kain. I want him off the list. He's completely unkillable. miffed Against Kain for the list or use in the forum.


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quote: (post)
Originally posted by Deathstroke
If this includes video game characters I vote Master Chief for low level Metahuman.


Yes, it does include video game characters.

I was wondering where we'd put Sephiroth, actually.


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quote: (post)
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Yes, it does include video game characters.

I was wondering where we'd put Sephiroth, actually.


I hate his hype so much......... big grin So, mid meta. And I refuse to hear any arguements for anything higher. stick out tongue


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Aizen Sousuke for Low herald


Dark Schnieder for High herald+++ (he's about equal to above top level Dr. Strange, so where would that place him on the list?)

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No one in Bleach is anywhere near Herald level. I question Alucard's Herald status as will.

Aizen and Alucard both at mid meta.

Base Darsh is mid herald, Majin Darsh is transcendent (sub - skyfather), Dragon Knight Darsh is Skyfather


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How come the real damn list isn't here?


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I like the animation style, and I don't say this often, but she is a very cute anime character.

Cutie Honey for mid/high meta.


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Alita from Battle Angel Alita for low meta

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I hate his hype so much......... big grin So, mid meta. And I refuse to hear any arguements for anything higher. stick out tongue


You'd say the same about Sentry.

You're really one of the most biased posters I have ever come across on this forum....


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No. Not Kain. I want him off the list. He's completely unkillable. miffed Against Kain for the list or use in the forum.

Kain is a bitchy one though he is one of my fav game chars his fans are so annoying for instance one of them said that he could beat LT. no expression


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You'd say the same about Sentry.

You're really one of the most biased posters I have ever come across on this forum....


Well that's not true. I'd put Sentry at mid or low herald. stick out tongue

I wholeheartedly agree with the latter part. big grin


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I'd put Sentry at mid or low herald. stick out tongue

And you would be in error to do so.


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