Please read all before posting, this is my first visit, let alone post in here, this may get closed, but what do I care, I got to say it.
Back on topic:
I hate people and our arrogant ways, that just because we can blow each other up with nuclear weapons and kill each other with guns, we are therefore better than any other species and have the right no totally wipe them out.
On average, about 1 species goes extinct every 18 minutes, whether that is a particular plant or bacteria, or a large mammal (most recent was a type of dolphin just a few weeks ago) which means that with all of the species on Earth, in just 300 years, there will be NO more species.
I personally think that animals lives are far above the value of a humans and that the next species to go extinct or endangered should be well...us. We are way too overpopulated too spread out, and because we are so arrogant, we think that it doesn’t matter what we do to anything else. With the amount of trees and forests we are cutting down each year (damn, each day for crying out loud) is disgusting and is a surprise that anything can still live in those areas.
I remember a bit ago a man shot a hunter dead because the hunter was about to kill a Rhino, and he got extremely ridiculed for it and was sent to jail. But I still remember what he said before he did, he said that if someone was robbing a bank and ran out with a bag of money (basically a bag of paper) and he shot that man dead, he would be praised, perhaps even rewarded, and to see that one of our endangered animals, a living, breathing animal has less value than a silly bag of paper just disgusts me.
And we are not stopping, the Amur Leopard has less than 40 left in the wild, only six of those are females, we pushed them to extinction, I guarantee within the next couple years, there will be no more. They get so little attention because they live in the same area as the Siberian (Amur) tigers which is the Amur River Valley in Russia.
The Dusky Seaside Sparrow…it took us about 118 years to drive them to extinction after we first found them. They went extinct in 1990. The person that took care of the very last Dusky Seaside Sparrow had this to say, "The last member of the rarest species known to us. He became blind in one eye, became old for a sparrow, and yet he persisted as if he knew his sole task was to sustain the bloodline as long as possible., I wondered if he felt sorrow or excruciating panic at the thought of his oneness. Orange Band, blind in one eye, old and alone, was gone.” Orange Band was the name of the Sparrow.
I personally wouldn’t mind the removal of humans from this planet, we do nothing good.
Humans have potential to do something benefit the world, and to say our life is nothing compared to an animal is ridiculous. Obviously we need to do more to preserve wildlife, but that is way too extreme.
If rhino's ruled the world, odds are we would be going extinct too. Have you seen those s.o.b's charge at someone?
The hunter should have gone to jail, he had no right to kill another man. He could have reported him and the authorities would have dealt with it.
I love Humans, all humans everyone has their own reasons for what they do. I also love all animals on all levels. Humans can be retards at times when they kill each other and drive animals to extinction, but animals can also be retards. They eat one another and lionesses can have pretty brutal fights.
Personally I think the problem with humans is that they know too much and have too much power. If Otto Hahn had never made the accident of spliting the atom then there would be a lot more people in Japan, and the dude that first invented bombs has a lot to say for himself, if I could go back in time I would have blown them up with their own bombs. They are two of the biggest retards in history along with who ever decided al queda was a good idea and Hitler and Karl Marx.
But then there are people, like naturalists that love the world, I'm not suggesting we all become nudists but they look after everything. And people like William Wilberforce that stopped the trans-atlantic slave trade and the American president carter that built houses for poor people and Dr. Barnardos that opened the first orphange in London. Those people are human but lovely humans.
I kinda dig humans, they sometimes remind me of myself.
It's an image worth pondering for a moment. Maybe, when you cut past the instrumental and songwriting virtuosity, the funny voices and characters, what is left is a man alone in his recording studio for days at a time.
things kill eachother, its not that big of a deal. As a society we have to prevent it for social reasons, but as far as nature goes, stuff kills stuff.
Species protection is such an abstact and anthropic idea. Look at the massive deforistation problems in Africa associated with an abundance of elephants in non-suitable environments. Because the environment changes animals have to go extinct. If that environment includes humans and pollution, the animal kingdom will have to, and will, adapt. Think about the generations of insects and rodents that have the behavioural tendencies to live inside of human dwellings. Their offspring's offspring's offspring's.... offspring will undoubtedly be almost parasitic to human construction.
Read the thread about the idea of wanting to see someone down, after rising that person up.
And the example of someone being publically harassed after a history of blessing and helping people who cried "oppression" and "racism", and just to find they are without a bank account b/c of fraud charges done recently or a job, using ego and jealousy and envy to decide the amount of pleasure in seeing that person fall or descend.
I can see why some love their pets more then humans.
Also, watch the clip about Liberty, and just b/c you help humans, doesn't mean they won't later try to screw you up and laugh at you fall, even if you expressed issues with particular cultures and even stated that you are mystical and expressed your mystical aspects of life and the soul, and expressed a seperation in the group in question, just to find out that you are now being harassed, and had effected the ego structure of the same folks who degrade women for money and kicks, and their liberty isn't effected. Again, I can see why some think that their pets are better option then human friendship. I questioned our true liberty in speech.
It's not long, about 8 minutes, but ask yourself, if people really practiced that, would you still hate humans? If they followed just the basics? Even if they prayed for others in times of hardship?
For the ones who have been so negative, I don't even read their comments anymore, i see their screen name only.
You are right in thinking there is something wrong. Again, pls read the thread about how some LOVE to see others fall.
your ego structure isn't my ego structure, i do not own your mind, you think whatever and say whatever, hopefully, it's constructive and positive. if you are inclined to a cause or race (same or different) or class or whatever, I can state my opinion, but to bother you about it...I can only pray for you based on my religious faith, but not to try to heckle you into my mindframe, esp. if you aren't violanting another person's body, mind, spirit, property. if all you are expressing is your thoughts and opinions, even if it's kinda borrowed, it's YOUR liberity to do so, but freedom, hum, we still don't have full freedom of speech without someone commiting fraud.
Last edited by Czarina_Czarina on Aug 27th, 2007 at 05:03 PM
try reading our constitutional rights and what "liberty" actually means...
Wanted to ask you to please pray and think of the good things, even get a pet to care for.
Here's info on Freedom of Association (you don't have to tell someone to be friendly with someone who you don't want to be associated with, and if that person only wants to be friends with certain people, as long as they don't abuse you/your liberty, you can't tell that person that they must associate with the folks that have cost them their liberty):
"...the premise that it is the right of free adults to mutually choose their associates for whatever purpose they see fit..."
And not that I love B. Spears, but see if it were better that she wasn't even well known, I can care less to see her down or on her way down, it's sad, it's sad. W. Houston was another one. Sad. Very sad.
Last edited by Czarina_Czarina on Aug 27th, 2007 at 05:21 PM
I can see your point, Humans are, like Mr Smith said, like a cancer on the earth.
But maybe its part of the plan, eventually humans may develop a computer/biological mix creature which will be immortal and very versatile. Maybe we are the tool which will develop the perfect species and the world is like a factory for it.
Species came and went BEFORE humans were here, comets smashed up our planet and wiped more creatures out than we ever did. If no species ever died out then it would be a very full world after all.
It all comes down to the question, why are we here, whats the point?
And seeing as we don´t know we must do what we can. The wild "money race" is the main problem in the world, most people are rushing to get rich as fast as they can, no matter what gets killed along the way.
Did you know the that the most destructive greenhouse gas is Methane produced by cows and other domestic animals farts & manure? The Co2 emissions is nothing compared to this problem, what do we do kill all these animals and let the people who depend on them die?
Theres a lot of difficult questions to be asked, but giving up won´t help anyone. After all when the sun dies this world will die anyway so it wont matter anyway will it.