I don't think even Yoda could beat both Kenobi and Anakin in saber combat. Anakin would be an uphill battle alone (especially with sabers) with the force however Yoda still has a good chance. Look how Dooku pwned Obi in ROTS, and Yoda pwned Dooku in AOTC...so...yea. If Yoda disposes of Kenobi quickly like Dooku did then Anakin gets beat.
Yoda believes that a Jedi ought only to use the force for knowledge and defence, never attack, so I doubt he'll be permanently disabling Obi-Wan with the force anytime soon.
I personally think that Yoda's in a league of his own as a lightsaber duelist as far as G-Canon is concerned, but Anakin and Obi-Wan together are a very skilled pair, especially when considering the cohesion they fight with together.
Ya, Ani and Obi would win in the saber fight while Yoda would win in the force fight. The all-out fight would be close.
But I don't think there's a pwnage in AOTC.
Yes there is. Yoda basically brushes off Dooku's attacks like he is a complete n00b. The saber fight is closer, but the in the force battle Dooku gets schooled. Yoda just stands there and lets Dooku do what he wants because he knows he cant do anything.
You don't need to post that clip coz I've seen that for many times...
Yeah, Yoda is definitely better than Dooku in the force by some margin. Yoda could have beaten him easily, but at least I won't consider that a pwnage.
Or perhaps its just my definition of pwnage is different from yours.
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Why the "..." as if what you're saying is somehow super obvious?
Both Anakin and Obi-Wan are displayed as being incredibly skilled swordsmen, and that coupled along with their incredible teamwork, and I think they could give Yoda a pretty tough fight.
Dooku is not Yoda. Yoda's style utilises far more kinetic energy, which isn't very well suited against multiple enemies at once, and Dooku relied on the force to separate the duo - not only would such a thing be against Yoda's beliefs, but it would be harder for him to pull it off, given he duels with both hands wielding his lightsaber.
From what I have seen thus far, most of your argument is based on arguing the merits of mentality and minor details in an attempt to change a rather obvious outcome. Assuming that this, like most other versus duels, is a fight to the death, Master Yoda will win this with his much more capable command and control of the Force. He was ready to commit premeditated regicide based on what amounts to a difference in religious beliefs; if Yoda came to the conclusion that Obi-Wan Kenobi and Anakin Skywalker were forces of destruction or opposition that needed to be eliminated, it seems fairly obvious that he would take it upon himself to do so. In fact, the only time I can recall him not taking such a route was with Count Dooku -- his onetime padawan learner who he intended to take into custody so as to negotiate a truce to the Separatist crisis. In this situation, death will be the only suitable outcome. So, in conclusion, we can readily assume that Yoda will do everything within his immense power to end Anakin and Obi-Wan's lives short of submitting to the dark side itself.
...and, as Jedi version Anakin and Obi-Wan are Jedi too and hold the same principles as the ones you stated Yoda has, no one would be the first to attack.
You're asking why their excellent teamwork wouldn't bother Yoda, given it didn't bother Dooku. It didn't bother Dooku because he was able to seperate the duo with attributes that Yoda lacks. It's very relevant.
Hardly a far superior fighter. Maybe far stronger in the force, but as a pure fighter, Dooku's clearly on par with Yoda, as seen in AotC where he's able to completely hold his own against the Ancient Jedi.
And, as said, he possesses attributes that Yoda doesn't which made him extra effective against the duo.
Well, I'd suggest looking harder. The bulk of my argument is regarding the duo as a cohesive force, and the fact that Yoda's style isn't suited for these kind of matchups against multiple enemies.
Firstly, completely unsupported. Anakin and Obi-Wan are essentially as good as equals when it comes to force prowess as shown when they stalemate, and they both display showings of powers on par with Yoda's own. You have Obi-Wan sensing the mass disturbance in the force caused by Order 66, as well as flinging Grievous into the air as if he were a javelin, and you have Anakin -- after having most of his body burnt away and losing most of his force strength -- destroying a room full of medical equipment without even focusing. I'd say Yoda's definitely more powerful than both as far as force prowess goes, but claiming that he has a much more capable command of the force is a bit of a stretch.
Secondly, if you're thinking that Yoda would somehow win this through force ability alone, then you're very much mistaken, given offensive use of the force goes against what Yoda considers it is to be a Jedi. At best, Yoda's shown to redirect offensive force powers back at the aggressor, and use the force in a completely non lethal way (force push).
LMAO. A difference in religious beliefs? Good luck with proving up on that, Gideon. Of course, the fact that Palpatine was in the process of completely wiping out the Jedi Order from the Galaxy, and had set up a dictatorial regime which he happened to be the head of played no part in Yoda's 'premeditated regicide.'
Of course, never said otherwise, but arguing that he would do so using the force is silly, at best. He'd use his his lightsaber to lethally harm the duo, not the force.
You can assume such, but it goes against what G-Canon depicts. When confronting Sidious, he was faced with circumstances parallel to those of this fight, yet you didn't see him going full out with the force, attempting to end the Chancellor there and then at any time during their duel. He, as one would predict, draws out his lightsaber, to finish Palpatine off.
In short, it's quite simply asinine to assume that he'd do what he outright claims he wouldn't do, and what he chooses not to do in the movie under similar circumstances, without any supporting proof.
It's possible, but you in no way supported such a stance. I'd personally say that given Obi-Wan and Anakin's displayed lightsabr ability + factoring in their strength as a team, and you logically have Yoda losing this matchup.
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