Okay, I’m King Kandy, and I’m arguing for the amalgam of Dr. Strange and Professor Zoom, who I call Speed Limit. This will give me the ability to use Dr. Strange’s powers, but with speed exactly equal to that of Barry Alan. In short I can totally outmaneuver my opponent. My Amalgam can probably win this without a plan, but I have one anyway.
-Prep-
First off, Speed Limit will get used to his speed powers. He’ll run a few laps around his sanctum, maybe super-punch some dummies, and do that cool “stab with a vibrating hand” thing the other Zoom sometimes does. This will take almost no time at all; he has super-speed after all. Then he will gather up all the artifacts he used when he fought Warlock w/IG. These are things he always has in his sanctum; there is nothing unusual about them being there. Many are even used on a near-constant basis. After he gathers these up these artifacts, he will take no chances of losing here. He knows he’s facing X-man and Jean Grey fused together, and knows they will give him hell. Fortunately, they aren’t all that. Speed Limit will then create (not summon) and army of demons in the following matter:
After that he twiddles his thumbs, maybe he practices some more and gathers his magical energy. Maybe grabs a bite to eat. Right before the match starts, I will give myself a “brief burst of super-speed”, making me even faster and amping me to beyond-flash levels of speed for maybe 15 seconds. But those seconds could be years to someone with my speed.
The instant the fight starts, Speed Limit will start battering the enemy with concussion blasts, relentlessly. His demons will also come and attack “Mr. Psychic”, grabbing him and clawing and generally making life difficult for him. If I wish, I could also tie him up with the crimson bands of Cytorrak and skip the demons… but that wouldn’t be as much fun. While he struggles to gain his bearings (he will not have had a chance to react given my super-speed) Speed Limit will wrap up the fight by tossing him into another dimension:
I should never be at any risk given my opponent has nowhere near the super-speed to keep up with me, but just incase he somehow, miraculously, gets in some offense, I can easily fend off his TP. For instance, here Dr. Strange fights off the TP of Moondragon with the mind gem (BEFORE getting the mind gem Moondragon was capable of mind controlling entire planets):
Basically, you CANNOT defeat Dr. Strange/Speed Limit with TP. It just doesn’t work. It’s not that he has powerful TP himself, it’s just his resistance to it is godlike. His eye of Aggamoto will dispel illusions and mental manipulation if he’s not up to the task. To think my opponent is capable of hurting me is ridiculous.
But if even this does not convince you, consider the following, straight out of the KMC Comic Book Vs. Forum rules:
His TP will only move at 30 m/s. I can just DODGE IT! His offense will be hilariously ineffective in every sense.
-Speed-
Next I will prove that I am in fact fast enough that his Amalgam will literally not have time to think before being defeated, let alone time to put up an offense (which won’t work in the first place.) Zoom is fast. Very fast. Even faster because I’ve cast super-speed on myself, and if I need to be even faster for some reason (straight line speed) I can send myself flying away with the winds of Watoomb. But here are some feats for Zoom without any additional speed:
The vibrating hand thing I said he could do, in case I need a non-magical offense for some crazy reason:
Can become intangible at will by vibrating, also he is stated to be faster then Wally West (though to be fair I don’t think Wally had full use of the Speed Force at this point):
Amlagam Name: The Rapture
6 - Shaman X-Man (Mind)
4- Jean Grey (Body)
4 – Amalgam, Lv. 1: A combination of two characters
Options bought.
2 – Prep Time, Lv. 2: One(1) hour spent in either a mystic sanctum or scientific lab
4 – Power Boosting: 4 points for each character boosted and if this is done in prep, it is added on to prep points
5 – Knowledge of the Opposition, Lv. 3: Extensive knowledge of all opponents on opposing team including strengths and weaknesses
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My prep time takes place on Asteroid M
Knowledge is Power.
I know reference an ability demonstrated by Nate, in X-Man issue 74. The ability to link minds across realities, and merging them into a single conscious and “Psychometry“. I shall apply both the mind link, and Psychomtry on my vessel (body) Jean Grey. The beneficence is vary significant, with it I gain total recall on Jean even when she was the host of the Phoenix Avatar. However the mind link takes it one step farther, you see I am going to take advantage of the rule set of the latest incarnation of my character. Granted I am not allowed to choose her with the Phoenix Force. However that does not take away the fact that her conscious and the Phoenix merged only to have it shattered into billions of pieces across the galaxy. With the mind link, I re-establish a merged conscious, which happens to hold the Phoenix Conscious as well. In doing so not only do I refortify Jeans “Total Recall”, but gain the Phoenix Memories and its Omniscience.
Unleash Nate Grey Full Potential.
I carefully hand picked Jean Grey as a vessel. This is because, Jean Grey is an Omega Level Mutant that has previously housed the powers of the Phoenix Force. Unlike Nate’s Frail body, Jean is and has shown to handle the limitless energies. Nate previously unlocked its full power, but resulted in his demise [ X-Man 75 ]. I don’t have to worry about that. By unlocking the Conscious and Unconscious mental restrains. Followed by the built in Psi Inhibitor [ X-Man 46 ]. I entered a secondary stage of evolution, thus successfully unleashed Nate Full power, with no draw backs.
Plan for Domination
Now I will subconsciously prepare for psi-freezing the area, I will harmonize this ability to the reaming time I have left for prep. At the start of the match, the entire arena will be Psi-Freeze halting enemy movements, virtually everything will be placed in suspended animation [ Cable #30].
I know finish up my prep by applying TP/TK/Psi to locate my foe. At the same time I proceed to isometrically increase all my stats to its highest possible level. Placing mind shields, a psionic armor and an outer layer of a perfectly made TK barrier (all at full strength of course) over myself. And hide myself at the best of my knowledge (you know hiding my psionic signature, mind, and becoming invisible - the works).
At the start of the match, with my foe located and locked I proceed with multiform attack (Nate is known to attack simultaneously on different levels at once) [ X-Force v1 #57 ];
Unleash Nate Grey Full Potential.
Back History, Full Potential: Nathan Grey is one few mutants with great potential that was never meant to be obtained. His energy readings where clocked and matched the Dark Phoenix [Cable #30] . Tundra a God from another Dimension capable of absorbing limitless energy, overloaded itself when it attempted to siphon X-Man [X-Man #40] . Onslaught wished to harness its limitless psi potential, to farther enhanced his powers [ 1 ~ 2 ]. In Apocalypse The Twelve: he was the 13th mutant, hand picked to be its vessel. Apocalypse not only wanted to usurp the powers of the 12 [The Un. X-Men #378] , but force Evolve Nate Grey in efforts to safely unleash his dormant powers [X-Man #60] . The M’Kran Crystal Guardians, where sent out to see if Nate Grey was stable enough to continue existing in the 616 verse. [X-Man #55] .
So yes not only do I have ludicrous amount of energy at hand, I have all the possible experience and training to properly wield it.
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My senses has expanded to subatomic level, down to knowing the weight of individual atoms. Energy and matter react at a whim, as well as mine to command. there is no way of cloaking or hiding from me, even if you do manage to hide yourself; much cant be done to the surrounding. Meaning the moment you make the slightest movements the surrounding area is effected directly (as in air, waves, space, etc…) everything will be picked up because of this TK Godhood. But I cant emphasis enough that I have much to work with from locating your psyche, to being able to witness energy signature.
If my enemy wants to get smart, and claim TK Godhood is only obtainable through the Phoenix Manifestation. Well he is incorrect, Hank/Sublime obtained TK Godhood by ejecting Jeans blood (who was phoenix at the time). Notice that the requirement of being the avatar is not needed, just those who wiled awesome TK [ New X-Men #154]. But if this is still lingering in your thoughts, Its once again Hank (AoA), who reinforces that Nate inherited Jeans “Morphology”, consequently he gained her powers [ X-Factor 22]. Can all I say truly be quantifiable? Anything else to fortify my claim? Yes Greater Awareness, Greater Telepathy, simply, much more power [ X-Man #46].
The obvious weakness, in my character one would exploit am I correct? Oh but I would think otherwise, and its not so obvious. Ok so I will ignore the fact that I have no form protection what’s so ever, can I defend myself from a speed blitz? First off to assume that my character mind works at a human standard is already incredibly incorrect. My mind is my strong point, and it operates at levels higher then the human standard as Jean or Nate alone. What don’t believe me,? Ok. You guys remember how Jean and Psylocke traded powers. Psylocke gaining Jean TK, but losses her TP. Well with Jean TK (no Phoenix Force, at base), she was capable of manipulating matter faster then light. Then you have the case of Cable effectively fending off, Lighmaster calculating his time from the moon and back (speed of thought). But lets look at the current picture, I effectively evolved into a higher form of conscious. Becoming sentient energy, which is no different to what Omega Kid went through when he evolved thus gained faster then light speed of thought [ New X-Men #138 ]. And lastly, we have my Amalgam character not only evolved, and consequently gain more power. We have The Rapture gain the Phoenix memories and its omniscience, which means I have the power to recreate anything that was previously done by Jean as the Phoenix. This includes reacting fast enough to stop a black hole, from within the Event Horizon [ End Song #5 ]. So yes my perception, and movements consequently are FASTER THEN LIGHT.
This is one wild plan you've got, but there are some fundamental flaws in both your plan and how it matches up with mine.
First off, you chose Jean Grey's body and amalgamated with it. Not her mind. There is no mind for you to mind link or Psychometric with. You can't get info out of her body with TP, it just doesn't work that way. Not that Jean Grey has perfect memory of being Phoenix in the first place, nor is the Phoenix a part of her to be restored by Psychometry, it is a different entity.
So Jean's body will store lots of energy. Yeah, so what? You still have to be able to access your true potential, no easy feat.
Then you psi-freeze the arena. Later in my post I will go over why that doesn't make a bit of difference in this match and was in fact a very bad move. But what I want to focus on is you tracking me during prep, while I am also prepping. You did not purchase the spy during prep ability, so this is illegal. You can only track me once the battle has started, not that you will be able to given I have shown the enormous amounts of TP I can dispel without effort.
You try to hide at me with TP tricks, but i'll just dispel them with my eye of Aggamoto and see right through you. You will be the one on the run, the eye saw through mind gem TP. Yours stands no chance.
Next, your Multi-form attack. You only back it up with statements, has Nate ever SHOWN the power to move stars? No, it's just someone's guess as to his potential, nothing substantiated. You even admit that the attack will be ineffective without the predicted power levels.
Then your telepathic godhood, which will not work. Only the Phoenix can provide it. Hank could get it because Jean Grey was Phoenix at the time. You didn't draft that Jean Grey, and so you aren't going to get her powers. All you'll get is a body without much at all. A human body that can store energy, but not provide any.
So, here's how the fight will go down in light of your strategy:
We both go to the battlefield, and you let off a psi-freeze. It will travel at 30 m/s. I, on the other hand, will be traveling at a minimum of 299,792,458 m/s, a good deal faster then any of your psychic attacks. Then I will BFR you to another dimension before you can even THINK of initiating another attack, and your psi-freeze will maybe have froze everything a millimeter away from your body by this point.
You may have increased in power (though that is in doubt), but you simply do not have the speed to do anything about my plan with your tiny little 30 m/s "freeze zone" that I could take a nap before it reached me. Your synapses just won't be moving fast enough for you to do anything telepathic (though I can dispel your telepathy as easy as Strange dispelled Warlock's.)
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Ok I already posted, all significant showings and claims in reference to X-Man’s powers. His energy readings, are clocked to the Dark Phoenix as shown in Cable #29. Did Marvel make that up those phoenix readings? NO, these reading where clocked in “Uncanny X-Men”. Its not an overhype after all, Stan Lee presented Nate as, all powerful boy in “X-Man Flashback”. After the whole Onslaught fiasco, a reader asked who is more powerful Nate Grey or Richard Franklin. The writer answered and explained but overall their power level rival each other [x] .
Don’t be disconcerted its not like the Phoenix powers, started out as a cosmic entity to begin with. Like Parallax or Ion, Phoenix was originally just Jeans powers completely unleashed. Now that’s retconed of course, however it helps that the comic states Nate Grey inherited her mothers powers (X-Factor #22) and that the bulk of the Phoenix feats are Psi/Tp/TK aside from cosmic energies here and their. Despite the retcon, like Parallax or Ion, the feats done in the Dark Phoenix arc where done through Tk/Psi/Tp.
I think you have regrettably overestimated yourself. I have more than enough power to harm you.
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I did not choose, Jean with a with the Phoenix Force or the Phoenix Conscious. However the rules specify, it’s the current incarnation of Jean. And currently her Conscious intertwines with the Phoenix, yet shattered across to billion pieces across the Galaxy. This can be reconfirmed in Jeans last appearance, “Phoenix End Song”, where Jean recollected a fragment of Phoenix memories, while Phoenix abstains memories of Jean [Phoenix End Song # 5], . Once merged, Jean now recollects the events she was previously involved in the future “Here Comes Tomorrow” . - reference to what took place in New X-Men #153. .
Ok now like I stated earlier, I did not choose Jean with the Phoenix Force or the Phoenix Conscious. However, I so happen to have another Telepath acting out his role as a Shaman. As a healer, I am vary doubtful he will enter the battlefield, and not do as single thing about his current situation when he has the prep time to apply a treatment to the wound. Jean situation akin’s Idris own [X-Man #4] . , and follows up with Nate effortlessly (in battle) apply a multi-versal mind link, reforming the shattered conscious across realities to form a single merged conscious. I am doing the same, only linking together the billions of fractured Conscious scattered across the galaxy in a single reality. I only know claim and reek the benefice, due to the specifics in which the current/last incarnation Nate and Jean have to exploit.
Total recall on Jean, and the “Phoenix Memories” with the “Omniscience” . My actions comply within the rule set, and its in character.
In short, I do not need to have Jean mind. Just enough recollection of her and the body itself to perform the mind link. This is why it’s a plan to gain jeans total recall, which happens to intertwine with the Phoenix Conscious.
Apparently, we are describing two different sorts of speed here...
Indeed you are stronger then a normal human, but your TP will take the same amount of time to effect an object, 30 m/s. There's no way for you to change this.
She can MOVE matter faster then light, but it will take 30 m/s for her TK to REACH the matter. After she reaches it, she can do anything with it, but the speed it takes for her thoughts to be projected is slow compared to Zoom.
No you did not. You tried to use TP to mind link your mind with your body (WTF) and then said it would enable you to achieve your true potential (and it's unsubstantiated levels of power!)
Nope, Jean Grey neither had the memories nor the capacity to get them. The Phoenix is a different entity, and it won't matter because you chose Jean Grey as your body with no mind to go with it. The hilarious thing is your plan would probably have worked better if you HADN'T amalgamated.
Anyway, you still would not have the power of Phoenix. Ig your plan worked, you would still have only had it's mind, without the power to back it up.
No they aren't. Even if you had Phoenix powers, which you have NO WAY OF GETTING the black hole feat only shows powerful TK, not fast reaction time, or fast thought-projection time.
More power then Warlock w/ the IG? Because that's how much TP I can shrug off with the eye of Aggamoto. Strange is invulnerable in TP. Not so good at the offense, but his defense is unbeatable.
So yes, TK was used for the Phoenix feats, however it was the PHOENIX's TP, not Jean's. She was not using her own power, any idiot cans see that after becoming Phoenix she displayed greater levels of power, even though they are the same TYPE of power.
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She has intertwined with one piece of another entity. Psychometry, what did it do? Meld the minds of various versions of the SAME PERSON together, not different people.
There is NO RECOLLECTION! You only have a BODY, not a mind, there is no consciousness in a BODY, it's like trying to read the mind of a rock! There's no mind to read! You are linking to nothing, not Jean and CERTAINLY not the Phoenix (a different entity.)
Adam Warlock was more of a poetic fight, then an actual fight. You really think that Dr. Strange can stand up to the Warlock with the IG in a serious TP fight? Then you have the fact that Dr. Strange struggled with Moon Dragon with the Mind Gem. Next alone the fact, that he was mind controlled by the Goddess with the Cosmic Egg, even though the Cosmic Egg is regarded inferior to the IG. Lastly all these claims coming from the classic Strange. When you and me both know that he is hardly at his classic level.
My Full potential rivals the Phoenix. As stated in the comic, my full potential rivals Richard Franklins full potential. That comment was strait from the writer sans Onslaught and Heroes Reborn ordeal. Their is no guess work, I am levels above you in raw power at hand.
Ah, I see yet with the my Amalgam set up its different isn’t it? It was done during prep time, and its with an Omega body. I start the match vary much alive and at full power.
To bad for you, all feats are allowed by the Strange I have drafted, as specified by Evangel. Dr. Strange easily beat Moon Dragon w/ mind gem WITHOUT his eye of Aggamoto. With it, he could fend off the IG mind gem. Now, when controlled by the Egg he didn't know he was being controlled, and never attempted to ward it off with the eye. But he's fighting two powerful telepaths here and will have it activated full-time.
The guy they asked had no clue who would win. He said they could be equal EVEN THOUGH Richards hasn't trained and Nate has. Therefore, at full potential Richards is far above Nate. And anyway, you cannot unlock this true potential (which doesn't have any feats anyway.)
Psychometry is the ability to pick up psyonic imprints from the given object left from the body. Lucky me I have the actual body (the source of its psyonic imprints), with It use its psionic signature to reform the conscious with the mind link. And look, I did so effortlessly by just touching the vessel across realities.
My point, is that he has never directed his potential outwards, and we don't know what would happen if he did. Lets see him do something with his true potential that DOESN'T involve imploding his energy on himself. Let's see him pose a good offense with it, which I can avoid anyway (i'm about 9993081 times faster then your thought projection, so his full potential won't do jack.
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