Without PIS Wolverine could take down ..... he could take..... down......
Dammit! PIS is so subjective Leo and you know it! They way I see it, if Wolverine were continued to be written as he has been but was limited to an HF (among other things) that a large percentage of the forum thinks he SHOULD have, then he could probably take people no higher than Rogue in strength, no better than Punisher in street level versatility, and no faster than Winter Soldier or classic BP in speed.
But, I think that part of the PIS that surrounds Logan's character is his getting shot. He's as skilled as Cap and even more superhuman, he should be able to bob and weave through bullets like they were slow cottonballs being tossed at him. So without PIS showing off his healing factors capabilities he'd be running around like Cap with claws.
Meh....
Okay, Without PIS how long would it take Hulk to be strong enough to lift 1million tons?
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in there first meeting, surfer was warned of thanos's villainy and attacked him with a powerful cosmic blast, thanos says "are you through?" then he goes back to talking about himself as surfer realized how much thanos owns.
Thanos basically one-shotted Surfer in his first meeting... and took his best shot to no effect in a later meeting...
Then basically killed him in a later fight.
I know Surfer's embarrassing record against Thanos, in the past, but Surfer has been substantially upgraded, both by his own actions (the blackbodies and other powers he took from UniLord) and by Galactus' actions (the stripping away of many mental blocks and the boosting of Surfer's powers).
Surfer now does credibly against characters who would defeat Skyfathers (Tenebreous and Aegis) whilst Thanos' last major showing was a credible points loss against Odin.
also, there's the matter of the, albeit somewhat dubious, Annihilation arc feat of a very weak Surfer matching Thanos' power signature in order to free Galactus from the contraption Thanos imprisoned him in.
also, PIS played an extremely large role in almost all Surfer's encounters with Thanos, never once did Surfer fight smartly use speed and versatility properly or anything imaginative at all, just blasting and getting the shit socked out of him.
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though i disagree with some of your post, i DO agree with the overall sentiment -- i think ss without pis should do much better than he has done. he almost never uses his speed against thanos, which is a big factor to consider. thanos's insane durability would still likely be too much, but ss should make it a tough battle for him i'd think.
Without PIS I see him being able to keep up to someone on Rhino's strength level, while at the same time being as agile as Night Crawler. Strictly because of his damage/pain threshold.
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