Come One! Come All! It's The Magical Mystery Tourney Finale! Leonidas V.S Smurph!
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Step right up for the Magical Mystery Tour, Step Right This Way!
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The stuff that champions are made out of!
Prep: 4 Dog years, 138 days.
Time- Tuesday 9:05 PM EST July 1st 2008 - Tuesday 9:05 PM July 1st 2008
Battle Field, As Told By My lovely, and effeminate partner Jamie
Judges: Doctor Hackenbush, Newjak, Badabing, Ha-son, Batdude, Digimark005, and Illadelph
Smurph's Team:
Deity (Firestorm/Meggan)
Architect (Reed Richards/Sage)
Mythic (Jor-El/Ray)
Animal Man
Sprite
Black Bolt
Leo's Team:*
Single Pick1- Forge
Amalgam1- Sersi/Ult. Reed
Amalagam2- Savitar/Vulcan
Single Pick2- Wiz Kid
Single Pick3- Black Box
Amalgam Pick3- Rachel Summers/Cerebro Prime
Redatom65's/Rufus T Firefly's/Capt Spaulding's/Fuzzy Hawkeye's/Dr Hackenbush's Match Notes:
- All memory has been reset.
- Scarlet Speed making match banner.
- Ha-son making the Official Magical Mystery Tourney Banner.
- Both people field their whole team.
*-Leonidas' team may not be accurate...
Ladies and Gentlemen, People of all Sizes. Let's get Ready To Rumble!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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ps--just making sure smurph knows light ray was in for wiz-kid. (the least important part of beating bw . . . )
oh, and before someone jumps all over it -- of course i increase the size of the big bang bomb before i teleport it. i increase it to whatever size the cell allows which even if it isn't FULL size is STILL expelling the energy of a big bang into the lap of his powerless team. once outside, the bombs can easily reach their full sizes and then be ported. and recall -- all tech is SF enhanced, as is pym's powers, since, well, i'm using it.
i realize this will and SHOULD count as 1 of my 8 (do we still only get 8 in the finals?) posts. but i thought it worth mentioning for those judges (and opponents ) with fine eyes for detail.
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Last edited by leonidas on Jul 2nd, 2008 at 02:23 PM
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OUTSTANDING JOB ON THE OPENING PAGE, GENTS!! the banners, music and images are friggin SWEET! i said a while ago that, despite some of the problems, this was the best tourney i'd taken part in. i stand by that. well done.
now, let's rumble . . .
and you're basing all of this on the fact that firestorm --a FIRE ELEMENTAL at one time when he was the INCARNATION of the matrix -- was able to manipulate fire.
i love galan, *gratuitous wave hello to galan* but, seriously, his speculation is no more or less relevent than your own. or mine.
frankly, i really don't know what would happen if your guy could absorb the powers of the matrix, but i DO know there is exactly ZERO evidence to suggest that he would become SOLAR. just because it's a dimension of energy, does NOT mean that it would enable you to CONTROL energy in 'all its forms'. hell, if that were the case, I'D be solar since i too have a dimension of energy to call upon! what you are suggesting is PUREST, unsupported speculation, and doesn't really even make sense to me. the matrix was used as a plot device to explain the elemental nature of the character. i truly don't see how gaining access to more of its power would imply you suddenly become solar . . .
why? what about the matrix makes you think that having access to it would translate to being able to control ALL energies? what correlation exists between the matrix and all other forms of energy? and regardless, their IS a limit to meggan and the power you could draw on -- even evolved. she's not omega, and how do we know she isn't ALREADY at her peak?
another guy i respect a lot, but he's ALSO the one who said he didn't want people to OVERRATE her abilities, feels thor would STOMP her and also adds that her powers are increased where there is magical/mystical energies for her to deal with (as there were in EACH of your scans . . .). the matrix is NOT magical, so we have no real idea how much she could even absorb from it. but again, it bears repeating -- there is no proof that accessing the matrix would in ANY WAY AT ALL allow smurph to suddenly gain control over . . .
there is simply no precdent by which to make such a leap, and no evidence. how then can anyone credit this type of speculation? afterall, the matrix is simply ONE of the elemental dimensions -- it would NOT allow control over all the others, (as the others are equal to it) as seen in the elemental war arc. it wouldn't grant him control over the red or green, for instance. or the speed force.
the rest of smurph's prep falls to pieces because his premise is so loosely founded. he goes on to give himself and all his characters SIMILAR powersets, when there is no proof even ONE of them would have the sort of power he is claiming. he goes so far as to claim that because of the matrix power he could replicate ala amazo all the powers of everyone on his team, create telepathy and EVEN a speed force! smurph my friend, i luv ya and respect you as a debater, but there is simply no way i can accept any of those things. the matrix's energy just wouldn't allow that type of power even if you absorbed as much of it as you think you can. what you'd likely have is an uber firestorm -- which is plenty powerful, no doubt, but he would NOT possess control over EVERY TYPE OF ENERGY. there is simply no evidence to suggest such a thing.
train with them? you can't bring them into prep. and why not just copy the powers of the imps while you're at it? nothing in AM's very overrated powerset suggests he could copy the powers of a race as powerful as the poppupians i'm afraid . . .
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and onto his battle plan . . .
but first, this:
**SLIGHT AMENDMENT**
during the course of some pm's with the boss, i came away with the impression we were in seperate cubes on opposite sides of the larger sphere. nj has pointed out to me that is NOT the case and that he intended for us to arrive in the SAME cube, just in seperate parts. so, anyway, he says my guys would have known, so he's allowed a VERY slight amendment based on the confusion. thanks nj. maybe next time try making the battlefield MORE complicated?
anyway, the amendment IS very slight -- i amped the neutralizing bomb so it would affect an ENTIRE prison cube. i'm simply eliminating the previous RANGE of the radiation and limiting it to the CELL they are in. knowing they are in the SAME cube means finding them with my REAL (as opposed to smurph's pseudo-made-up cosmic awareness) will be even EASIER and FASTER then i previously thought. almost instantaneous. i locate which cell they are in (superman's senses would ALSO allow for that, as would rachel's tp) and drop the neutralizer. it is still amped with SF then i port in the big bang bomb at the same time as we teleport out of the prison cube so that we are far away when it blows up the entire moon-sized cube. nothing has changed at all except the RANGE of the neutralizer bomb. and again, 'pologies for the confusion.
heh. too bad the bombs appear INSIDE your little box. the neutralizer cuts off your powers (so much for diety, whatever she is . . .) then the big bang bomb shows up and you die. it's perfect actually as you've no prepped defenses in place at all. you're also no where NEAR fast enough to avoid the neutralizer which is amped with SF then you have no chance to escape or avoid the BBB.
er, no guns or canons work. ask nj. you are stuck -- powerless and tech-less -- for 10mins on the moon-sized prison cube same as me. the instant the 10mins is up, i find you, neutralize you, port myself out and the BBB in, and you die. all that happens in nanoseconds.
you're going to steal MY speed?
come one now, smurph . . . your little elemental dimension has no power over my own. and MINE is the SOURCE OF ALL MOTION IN THE UNIVERSE.
moi??
too bad MY explosions are faster.
so, to sum up:
--he has NO/ZERO/ZILCH/ZIP evidence to support his becoming SOLAR
--his strategy to escape the cell is kaput and he had no defense against my bombing strike and neutralizing power. i'm immeasureably faster than him (he's relying on TECH to amp his COMBAT, and THINKING speed ) and my tech and all its functions is amped with SF energy
--even if he DOES get out of the cube, i can blow the solar system and remain safe -- the combined energies of TWENTY-THREE BIG BANGS would kill him regardless of shields or how strong he THINKS he is . . .
--if not, i can always find him, banish him to the ult n-zone (never forget -- i am FAR FAR faster than he is . . .) or steal his speed and copy his powers. sage's powers pushing an omega mutant to the next evolutionary stage would be . . . not too shabby. since the next evolutionary stage for an OMEGA like vulcan has been said to be an ABSTRACT BEING . . . (which is why i wanted sage so badly in the draft -- curse you smurph!!!! )
-- i can block any energy attack he throws at me by opening n-zone portals, and he would have HELL trying to FIND me let alone hit me at the speeds i am moving AND thinking.
--he has some made up telepathy and sprite -- i have rachel, with the phoenix AND vulcan AND cerebro, not to mention all the other telepths i have access to! i could literally shred his mind at SF speeds and be done with it INSTANTLY. damn, if the first 2 bombs don't kill him, i could fry his mind before i bother setting off the solar system destroying bombs! firestorm is vulnerable to tp. meggan is VERY vulnerable to it. i happen to be ENORMOUSLY strong in that area . . .
in short: i have many MANY options.
he has speculation, no real offensive strategy, and ZERO established or prepped defenses
A'ight... I've been itching to reply, but haven't had a chance until now. Now I've got good music playing, some time to sit down and stretch the old finger muscles... here we go.
Stop buying judges votes with compliments.
No.
I'm using the example that an omni-elemental said that manipulating fire was easy because "it's just energy" (though many other examples are available... ) to show that Firestorm is an energy manipulator. This really isn't a point you should fight.
Relevant? Perhaps. It's certainly less biased then either of ours.
You seem to be misreading my genius (har har). Having access to the Firestorm matrix doesn't give me full use. Having a being that can ALREADY control energy in a number of forms, giving that being INFINITE POTENTIAL, and then giving that being a body capable of FULFILLING THAT POTENTIAL better than ANY OTHER HERALD LEVEL CHARACTER gives me far more access to energy and control than your character.
And there's nothing sudden about becoming Solar. 5 months of > lightspeed training leads me to becoming much more than Solar. But the fact that I have the potential already (as I have shown on panel) and the ability to fulfill it (as I have shown on panel) means that I'm more than capable.
The Firestorm matrix allows
for control of energy. The more power that you draw on from the matrix, the more power you control. Which is why the Professor says that the power of Firestorm is potentially infinite, but in practice that amount of power in a human body burns out in the wink of an eye.
Even if you want to work it out separate from the Matrix:
Infinite power means control over energy, simply. Even if you believed that it wasn't energy, infinite power means infinite possibility, thus STILL making my plan workable. According to Prof. Stein, nothing that I proposed to do is outside the realm of a full power Firestorm.
I think that Thor would stomp Meggan as well. Meggan that hasn't been boosted to her full potential, given access to two dimensions of energy, and then 5 months of lightspeed training, and a host of other powers.
And my plan doesn't rely on Meggan's powers being boosted. It relies on FS having a body capable of harnessing and holding sufficient energy. Which I have more than proved Meggan capable of handling, even prior to her many power boosts.
As for my scans...
Meggan draws energy from what is natural to her. She's able to draw enough energy from the Earth (as she is an Earthling) that she can drain the Earth within seconds. This is why she was able to draw energy from the Otherworld, enough energy within seconds, to hold back the chaos wave. If you read the scans, you'll see that she is able to draw Otherworld energy because she's as much a part of Otherworld as Earth. Now she's fused into the matrix and is becoming a part of the Firestorm matrix. This, like all Firestorm entities, becomes as much a home dimension to her as Earth. This is why she can draw energy from the Firestorm matrix. Mind you, she doesn't need to, she just needs to be able to hold it in, as Firestorm can draw on all the energy. But she's more than capable.
They're really the perfect combination.
Who cares?
Sure, I said energy in all its forms, but Prof. Stein and I weren't even considering the Red (which I have access to anyways, kthx) or the speedforce (which I can create regardless).
I wager that anybody who reached full potential in any of those could do what I propose. Even you are, to an extent, with Savitar. Firestorm just fits the bill easiest.
Energy signatures are energy signatures. There's already comic characters that can copy powers by digesting the signatures... same concept. I'm just altering my own for the same purpose. I'm also altering theirs, because my powerset is much more expansive than Amazo's.
As for everything else... it's all just energy. Telepathy is supposed travel along the electromagnetic spectrum. "Speed force" is just kinetic energy manipulation (notice I'm not "dumping characters into the speedforce"). I'm just pulling a New Sun.
You're misconstruing my plans by acting as if I'm simply handing out powers. Everything I've proposed has been shown to be possible in comics before.
Again, misconstruction of the truth.
All that I'm doing is accessing Firestorm's full potential. He's been shown to be an energy manipulator of the highest degree for a herald, and to pull powers and abilities out of his ass all the time because of his energy control... all that I'm doing is expanding on that, and utilizing provided reason.
All that you've done is throw up your hands and shout "impossible!" in reply and say that you can't accept it... but it's shown on panel to be perfectly feasible.
Train with the powers, not with the Poppupians. And Animal Man has accessed what's only availaible to SUN EATERS... even physical aspects, only in proportion to his size.
And the Imps exist on another dimension. Good idea though.
But again your reply is to say "Nay!" but not give actual reasoning.
Here's the hilarious part, folks. Here's why I hold all of the cards... I have by FAR the superior amalgam, AND I DON'T EVEN NEED IT!. I casually outprepped Leo when I devised a way to escape the cube and he decided to stay there for ten minutes and cackle his evil laughter. Unfortunately for Leo, a few seconds in, his laughter's cut off when his lungs and body are filled with sand and metal. Lolz. Game over. And I can do it all with my prep and Firestorm/Meggan/Sprite.
Slight =/= two paragraphs.
The bomb appears after 10 minutes, and I could certainly avoid it. Or absorb it. Or shunt it to a separate dimension. Or transmute it. Or reverse it. Or endure it. Which would you prefer?
Ironically, I'm completely clothed in indestructible metal and you're trying to blow me up... lolz?
I was under the impression that while sci-fi stuff was off limits, projectile weapons that already exist in society are not. But it doesn't matter. My prep specifies that I create adamantium SWORDS as well... and those are certainly not tech. Iirc, the descriptor for the area even specifies what type of metal it is and that we can break it and break out. So I, my friend, am outside and fully powered within seconds, while you are inside busy thinking how clever your bomb is.
As specified during prep... you die in seconds. We turn the whole place into adamantium, save the power source, obviously, and you get up close and personal with the unbreakable metal while you're powerless and vulnerable. Game, set, match.
You were just talking earlier about how the Firestorm matrix and the Speedforce were equal, but now use the term "little elemental dimension" to try and make an impression. Heh.
Anyways, the only difference between us, is I have a master of my "little" dimension, while you have a character that has NO ON PANEL APPEARANCES OF EVER USING THE SPEEDFORCE. Savitar's last appearance, he was merged with it by Wally, and was never seen again. Sure he has a few tricks, like speed sharing, but nothing on any speedforce users. Your characters memories and expieriences got reset for this match, and you spent no time training or attempting to utilize the speedforce... you have what, depending on how you see it and depending on Savitar's state of being, is a potentially powerful character, but, unlike myself (), you haven't made an effort to build on that potential.
Aw, shucks.
I posted my evidence and reasoning... you pretty much avoided it.
- You hold none of those edges, and the tech neutralizer, whether it harms a gun or not, does not affect swords. At the end of my prep, I made my characters peak human... 12 Captain Americas will bust through that with ease.
I don't even need to use my strength. I can take you out within seconds, since you get out TEN MINUTES after me.
Addressed all of that, though I can beam you all to the Phantom Zone if I wish.
Huzzah! Another win for Smurph.
RECAP
I have all edges in this match. I hold all the cards.
I have ten minutes in this match where he's powerless and I'm not.
I have a character that utilizes my dimensional energy to the highest degree while he has a character that has absolutely no experience with their "speedforce".
I believe I have twice as many people, and can make more when any of them die.
I have far greater defenses, far more numerous and powerful attacks, far greater control over my speed AND HIS, and am far more versatile in general.
My team has the smartest characters drafted (Reed and JOR-EL) and they've each been given minds that work with computer-like efficiency (Sage) while being boosted to > lightspeed speeds.
Leo's outprepped and outgunned. That's the bottom line. I win.
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all righty. this is turning into one of those "yes-i-can-no-you-can't" debates. funny how smurph says i have no real reasons to doubt diety, but he's provided zero proof to suggest she would be able to do ANY of what he is claiming. here is why i don't think meggan/firestorm would make diety as powerful as smurph thinks.
1. can you show me a scan that says somewhere that FS actually DRAWS power from the matrix? the matrix is most commonly viewed as a mindscape of sorts, a space where all the previous FS's share headspace. if one FS dies, another simply drops out of teh matrix into a new host (as happened when ronnie died and found jason) and things proceed as nomal. having access to these previous FS's allows access to FS's abilities, but where does it say he actually DRAWS POWER FROM THE DIMENSION itself? in absorbing the matrix, all you'd be doing would be absorbing these previous FS incarnations. that does NOT imply you'd be gaining more power. in fact, in doing so, what you'd be absorbing would be a large number of consciousnesses (??) that would end up running around in your brain. meggan is ALREADY unstable as hell -- filling her with dozens (hundreds??) of minds would NOT be very good for her fragile psyche.
2. the matrix allows transmuting powers. having access to MORE of that wouldn't necessarily translate to you becoming solar. you'd be an uber transmuter -- if you could become more powerful at all . . .
3. regardless of how you define the matrix, it is UNDOUBTEDLY composed of multiple consciousnesses. what makes you think that meggan could even absorb something that is in a very REAL sense sentient? she's never done anything like that in the past. beyond that, how can you even say the matrix would LET her TRY and absorb it??
the matrix is an EXTREMELY-ill-defined thing and the results of attempting to absorb power from it can not be predicted. it is more than just an empty energy void like cap atom or quasar tap and draw direct energy from. firestorm is not a conduit as these others are and the 'matrix' is a mindscape comprised of all previous FS's. absorbing those personalities, if meggan could even do such a thing, would have wildly unpredicable results, nor is there anything to suggest in ANYWAY that these other personalities would ALLOW the matrix to be absorbed -- afterall, the universe is certainly NOT endangered so they would have no reason whatsoever to accede to this attempt.
suffice to say there is AMPLE reason to doubt the powers of diety . . .
okey-dokey. enough of that, lest anyone think it matters whether diety is as powerful as smurph's likes to think she is.
onto the actual battle:
smurph doesn't quite seem to understand his circumstances fully at the start of the battle.
the cube we are in NEGATES ALL POWERS. what that means is that if i transformed myself into godzilla during prep, when i arrived in the cube the power that ALLOWED me to transform would be negated hence i become a 'normal' human. when smurph tried to make himself PEAK human, the power that ALLOWED that to happen is negated, hence he is only 'simply' human -- just like me.
and even ignoring that for a second -- the cube we are in is the size of the MOON!! we have no idea where we are inside the prison, and no idea what direction gets us out. doubt anything that big has STAIRS and all lifts and the like are without power so you couldn't move up at all. and you want to use swords, moving at simple human speeds, to cut your way out in TEN MINUTES?
i doubt you could cut your way out of a REGULAR sized prison in 10 minutes let alone one that is the size of THE MOON.
so, no, you most certainly do not escape the cube before we regain our powers. and once we DO, i have the definite and overwhelming edge. regardless of how far you get with your swords or how lost you are, i find you instantly, negate your powers (hence it really is meaningless how powerful diety is) then blow you up. lolz at adamantium armor shielding your human (or superhuman) bodies from the energy of an UNLEASHED BIG BANG in your lap!! in all likelihood the adamantium itself would be slagged, but it would be heated high enough to cook you inside it a zillion times over.
and all that happens within NANOSECONDS. well before the tech you are employing to boost your speed even comes online, let alone begins functioning at it's lowly lightspeeds!
and again, if that doesn't work, we have ALREADY ported safely away and are set to shield ourselves with our ult n-zone projectors and destroy you (and you WILL have been weakened by such a blast REGARDLESS of level) with 23 OTHER BIG BANG EXPLOSIONS!
or, i could easily make a hyperspeed attempt to mindrape you BEFORE setting off the solar system destroying bombs. once i've locked onto you mentally, i'll know whether you've survived my first assault instantly and can then crush you via TP or set off the bombs.
if you somehow convince anyone you can survive that, (and i've no conceiveable idea how you could avoid having you powers negated by a bomb that is unleashing neutralizing radiation FAR faster than lightspeed . . .) i could steal your speed. you MAY convince someone you can control kinetic energy (supposition, along with all the other suppositions you've made) but SF>KE and is the SOURCE of it. so no, clearly you CANNOT affect my speed in anyway, while i could simply cut off your access to KE as i've done several times in this thing already. i could VERY likely bomb you, and if you survive, attempt to mindrape you THEN simply steal your speed BEFORE i set off the rest of the bombs.
i really AM that much faster than he is. not to mention i have jefferies powers and sersi's. all i need to do is transmute his tech and then he might as well be standing still compared to me as relates to combat speeds.
i can instantly (at SF enhanced speeds) throw up n-zone barriers to act as shields for whatever he throws at me should he convince anyone he is not dead in the first septo-second of battle. he could never hit me. even omnidirectional blasts are sent to the n-zone. i could hit him with the n-zone projector anytime i want and end him THAT way as well.
seriously, once our powers return, he is utterly out-prepped, without defenses against my bombs, or my speed and offensively even if he DOES survive i am protected from ANYTHING he can throw at me. not that beyond his shattered escape plan he's even OFFERED an offensive strategy . . .
rendered powerless.
blown up.
REALLY blown up.
mindraped.
frozen via speed steal.
cast into the ult n-zone and rendered powerless.
or how about i simply TAKE CONTROL OF THE MATRIX MYSELF, ala desaad very recently. with rachel's psi abilities, access to emma frost's skill-set and vulcan to further tap into and ENHANCE the phoenix force, that might be the simplest method to success of all. if he survives the initial bombing, i'd know immediately, then i can attempt the mindrape before setting off all the bombs. while attempting the mindrape, i could simply take control of the matrix FROM him.
Newjak's nixxed my method of getting out of the prison... it was my own misunderstanding as well as having a judge agree with my interpretation (though I direct neither Newjak nor that judge any animosity).
To get to the point... I'm making a Slight Amendment (Newjak's approved).
It's actually quite simple... I made a bunch of gear to break out of the prison. I'm simply getting rid of it. This includes all swords, guns/cannons and the adamantium cube layering my cell. All gone. I can win quite easily without it.
Now... to the match.
I've proven that Firestorm draws on some power source that he has access to more of. If you want to challenge the name of that power source, go ahead, but do it on your own time.
And your reasoning is flawed. You're saying that Firestorm can't tap the matrix, and drawing power from it would be detrimental. Even though we can't tap it. So therefore the fact that we can't tap it somehow proves that we can tap it and that we would fill our heads with other people... lolz?
Unless you're again trying to assert that Firestorm isn't an energy manipulator, despite TONS of proof that he is (absorbing the radiation from nukes, absorbing fires, creating energy constructs, etc.), this point is moot.
Would our transmuting grow as well? Of course. Thanks for doing my debating for me.
And, once again, being able to fully tap the matrix means infinite power... which obviously encompasses everything I've done.
Go ahead and try to prove that the power source that Firestorm taps into is the matrix. Find a scan saying that he does. If you don't, your arguments defeat each other (see argument #1)
That's ridiculous.
The results of absorbing power from it (or whatever nameless power source we're drawing from) are shown every time Firestorm uses his powers... or appears.
As for predictions, the results of absorbing power from the matrix (or whatever nameless power source you prefer) have already been predicted. I gave you the scan. Prof. Stein, who's considerably more knowledgeable than either of us, especially concerning the matrix (or whatever nameless power source you prefer), predicted that Firestorm's power would be infinite if his body could handle it.
So once again, your arguments are self detrimental and obviously attempts to mix together baseless positions with semantics.
To simplify:
Firestorm taps into a power source. Human bodies can only take so much, so he has to limit himself by a LOT.
Meggan's body can take limitless supplies of energy, and benefits from feeding off all of it.
Meggan's boosted to omega level mutant power and also has the Red to tap into (which we know contains energy as Animal Man and Vixen have used it for energy attacks and constructs).
The, result, Deity, is fully proficient with her powers.
You do realize that we're not locked in our cubes, right?
We're given full awareness of the layout of the cube and our cells are not locked. Newjak has confirmed this.
So what would my team do when given an opportunity to get free of their prison? Make a break for it.
We'll simply dash for the exits. With a sudden lack of mental links and limited time, we likely won't even be coordinated well.
Ho hum.
What this means though, is that you're unlikely to tag more than one of us with your cell-sized bomb.
Frankly, you're unlikely to tag even one of us.
Here's why...
You're taking a character with absolutely no feats to support the notion that they'd be able to even tap into the speedforce, considering Savitar has no showings with the speedforce and Vulcan hasn't been shown to tap energy of even a remotely similar nature.
Even if that were true, you're assuming that without training and barely any experience with the powers (memories got deleted for this match), they'd be able to time the actions you need to the nanosecond while sharing their speed with maximum efficiency, while exactly pinpointing our multiple locations directly after recieving your powers while simultaneously dealing with other foreign powers such as teleportation and "cosmic awareness".
Lolz?
My characters, on the other hand, have spent the last five months training at lightspeed with their powers and have transferred all previous memories to each other. We likely trump you in all stats, some exceptionally, and are far, far, far more experienced with our powers.
Deity or no Deity, we still destroy you.
And, even if you DO get a bomb within the same vicinity as one of my characters, who is to say that it could bypass the adamantium? You made a bomb based on a ray attack... both of which adamantium is completely impervious to.
And even if it DID stand a chance of bypassing the adamantium, who is to say that it would hit us? Each of my characters makes energy their *****, and the bomb is simply an energy explosion.
And even if we DIDN'T turn it into sunshine and lolly pops, we have energy shields that are automatically summoned that can repel all other energy attacks.
And even if you DID neutralize my characters powers, who is to say that you would then hit us with the bomb? Again, all of my other characters of capable of exiting the vicinity through teleportation or flight faster than you can think, and they can take anybody powerless with them, or simply alter their power signatures to fix any nullification.
And even if you DID destroy one of my characters, who is to say we couldn't just make another? Six of my twelve characters are clones and we're all capable of cloning again immediately.
Finally, this is all assuming that you attack before us. We're far superior with our powers and can hit you at faster then light speeds before you even realize that you've got your powers back. Don't forget, we've got characters who have got Reed's lightspeed machines in addition to kryptonian speed in addition to Poppupian instant evolving in addition to Deity's kinetic energy control, in addition to Sage's super fast processing.
And we have more people than you.
And we have more experience... by a LOT.
We can likely destroy you before you can move an inch.
All it takes is a thought to send you to the Phantom Zone, or to turn you into stone.
Powerless... nixxed.
Blown up... with our durability, power sets and your complete lack of control of your powers... lolz. We'll kill you before you know what's happened, and we can simply endure it otherwise. Many of my drafted characters have intangibility, plus our adamantium shells and energy powers. And our energy shields that repel all attacks.
Mindrape... we have very strong telepathy too, plus our shields repel outside telepathy attacks, plus telepathy is just a signal that travels along the electromagnetic spectrum, which we control.
Speed steal... we'll move faster than you from the get go. Our own mock speed force plus all of our powers versus your complete lack of speed force... and one character to boost all of your speeds? Ha! And we have far better kinetic energy control than you. We can steal YOUR speed.
And with our proficiency with our powers and our faster processing, we'll dump you in the phantom zone before your characters even remember about the ultimate n-zone. Plus, that's another energy signal that my shields repel.
And Impossible Man's immediate evolution repels all of the above attacks.
So lolz at you.
With our energy shields, superior telepathy and our knowledge of dealing with telepathy, plus Impossible Man's immediate evolution, this really isn't even worth addressing.
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We've got all the same powers, I have more.
I have more characters.
All my characters are far more proficient with their powers.
All my characters have far superior offensive options.
All my characters have FAR superior defensive options.
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nah. in thinking what you THOUGHT i was thinking you thought wrong.
i said there were several reasons why i believed absorbing the power source wouldn't work. any individual or combination of reasons throws doubt on your plans.
--it's never been done before. EVER. and there are plenty of uber energy guys in dc.
--FS has never been shown to be able to FURTHER access the source of his power (and in NO BIO and in NO SCAN) has it EVER been demonstrated that FS actually DRAWS power from this other dimensional source . . .
--even if anyone believes you CAN absorb some extra power, we really have no idea WHAT type of power that would be, AND, more importantly, what we DO know of his power source beyond doubt is that it is LITTERED with sentient beings and that if you DID try and absorb this power source, you would be gaining these personalities as they are PART of the source.
in fact, it is THESE VERY ENTITIES that ALLOW ACCESS TO the FS power.
how do we know that for a fact? because jason GAINED his powers by having one of these entities ENTER his body. that being ronnie. in attempting to FURTHER access the source of power, you would be absorbing COUNTLESS personalities, and again THERE IS NO REASON AT ALL SAID ENTITIES WOULD LET HIM TRY IT IN THE FIRST PLACE.
meggan's mental vulnerabilites are well documented. thinker DEMOLISHED jason in their recent battle via TP attacks.
a flood of personalities would be far too much for her to handle and it's even impossible to say whether the matrix (which usually is complete with only 2 or 3 personalities) would hold UP to all those added personalities.
again, so many potential complications with what he is trying to do, zero proof to back up his claims as NO ONE has EVER tried to absorb the power in the manner he is trying. zero proof he can even increase his power at all as he is trying to say.
clearly it's not infinite. nor is it magical in nature. so how much meggan could absorb is also a question.
could their mind handle the influx of personalities would be another question.
granting yourself all these crazy powers (speed force, copying, telepathy . . .) are all nothing more than outlandish (no offense, smurph -- well, maybe a LITTLE offense . . . ) suppositions. there are a whole lotta uber energy guys that have never done HALF of what you are trying to do and have had LIFETIMES to work with their powers.
--you are NOT infinitely powerful.
--you really have no idea if you can even ACCESS the source of power, or if you do if you can remain sane while doing so.
--you don't know how MUCH meggan could absorb nor do you know the IMPACT absorbing a sentient power source would even have on you.
--nor can you provide a reason why the entities that comprise the source of his power would even LET you absorb it!
--and beyond those entities, the ULTIMATE SOURCE of the power is MAYA, the earth.
tell me again, why would SHE allow you to do what you want to do . . .? and if the earth IS the source, and the earth's power is actually SHARED among all the other elemental powers . . . how 'infinite' would it really be?? meggan's already done that stunt and wasn't close to galactus level. now she'd have access (MAYBE) to a quarter of that power. hardly the "infinite being" you're trying to make her out to be . . .
that's a TREMENDOUS amount of uncertainty you are expecting people to simply overlook on the strength of one scan that discusses something that is only THEORETICAL in the first place . . .
omega level?
no proof of that, no proof she's not ALREADY at her peak of power, nor do you know just how MUCH he's limiting himself. meggan can NOT absorb limitless power and her skill improves if the source is MAGICAL. beyond that, your 'simple' explanation is shot to pieces by the fact that the source is littered with sentient beings who GRANT the power and the whole thing is ultimately overseen by MAYA herself, who has no reason at all to allow your to absorb it like you are trying to do. show me meggan absorbing multiple power sources while you're at it. she was unable to handle the PHOENIX FORCE which ALSO shows that her abilities are NOT as perfect as you want everyone to think they are.
that's fine. so i tag one of you. even BEFORE your amendment i spoke of MULTIPLE options. as i've said repeatedly and from the get-go -- i could just as easily tranmute your tech then mindrape the rest of you even BEFORE the second bomb goes off. and i do.
i have UNLIMITED (a REAL omega level mutant) access to the speedforce. i am faster than INSTANTANEOUS SPEED and my THOUGHTS AND POWERS OPERATE AT THAT SAME SPEED.
my speed utterly ENSURES i can do multiple things before you do ANYTHING. i know you're trying to convince people you're fast. but compared to me you simply are not. you want people to think your tech could allow for increased combat and thought speed, and MAYBE it would, (it still wouldn't be close to me . . .) but i would attack before it even came online! i transmute it, then i STEAL YOUR SPEED (i've already posted a scan of a PLANET-SIZED speed steal so range is NOT an issue) and mindrape each of you. all my guys have identical powersets.
i've ALREADY showed a scan where flash himself admitted savitar was FAR more proficient in using the speed force than he was . . . savitar taught WALTER everything walter knew! his ability to use the SF was limited only by his ability to tap into it. and i said we trained with our powers anyways . . .
ahhhh . . . and so at last, the justified doubts about diety are setting in . . .
i could find you and literally drop it on TOP of you before you had a chance to react to it. CA+SF means i find you INSTANTLY. and the bomb too is amped with SF energy.
it wipes you out before you know it hit you.
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i increase it to whatever size the cell allows which even if it isn't FULL size is STILL expelling the energy of a big bang into the lap of his powerless team. once outside, the bombs can easily reach their full sizes and then be ported. and recall -- all tech is SF enhanced, as is pym's powers, since, well, i'm using it. 
train with them? you can't bring them into prep. and why not just copy the powers of the imps while you're at it? nothing in AM's very overrated powerset suggests he could copy the powers of a race as powerful as the poppupians i'm afraid . . .
) and my tech and all its functions is amped with SF energy
