Batdude and Kahn's Match #2: Leonidas/Galan007 vs. Omega Vision/xJLxKing
Team Leonidas/Galan:
Thor: Leo
Firestorm (Jason Rusch): Both
Walter West: Galan
vs.
Omega Vision/xJLxKing
All-Star Superman
Flash (Wally West)
Swamp Thing
(I'd ask that Omega Vision/xJLxKing specify which characters will be used, and which one will be shared in their first posts of the match).
The location of the battle will be the Amazon rain forest.
Prep Time:
- Each team will have access to a "team lounge" measuring 15x15 meters with a couple of couches, satellite tv, refrigerator, washroom, and an assortment of snacks and drinks for 5 minutes prior to each fight where they can use their prep time. . No extending of that prep time via any means (ie speed force or time manipulation).
unless you have proof that superman can 'obtain' red-sun-protection suits from the lounge style room that the prep period is confined to, then this part of your strategy is superfluous. furthermore, unless you have proof that he can both 'create' said suits within his 5 minute time limit, and that he can 'create' these suits by utilizing the random materials in the lounge, then THAT part of your strategy is superfluous.
...and since i'm quite sure you cannot prove any of the above, then we may as well just say that this entire part of your strategy can be dubbed 'superfluous'.
again, unless you can prove that superman can make this potion within 5 minutes, and you can also prove that he can do so with the materials available to him in the prep-lounge, then this part of your strategy is ALSO superfluous.
illegal, and therefore pointless to address. however, IF that were a legal strategy, you would have essentially made supes commit suicide via overloading his already bursting cells with gargantuan amounts MORE of solar rays.
fortunately for us, you went on to succeed in more or less killing supes [legally] later on in your post.... we'll get to that in a bit.
illegal, and therefore pointless to address.
heh. you may want to note the fact that ST NEEDED to have a physical piece of edenwood to merge into his vessel, in order to duplicate it's properties... so unless there are pencils in the prep-lounge that are made from edenwood [being horribly sarcastic, btw] then that's not an armor ST would be recreating.
but even IF he recreated the edenwood armor, i challenge you to show me a single feat the armor has that is suggestive of it being able to a.) weather our initial blast on the battlefield, or b.) withstand ST's kryptonite [aka. the nuclear waste FS can manifest over him.]
rhetorical question: no such scan(s) exist.
illegal, and therefore pointless to address.
which is all moot. why? because all of our team members have the ability to become intangible. this means that the little digitized 'attack' ST used on supes from point blank range would be null-in-void.
aside from that, ST would already be broken down from our initial omni-directional blast unleashed on the battlefield. and even though he would more than likely be able to regrow, it still takes him time to do so: http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/9532/stgrow1.jpg
taking ^^that^^ into account, our speedy-FS would have absolutely NO problem reaching ST's regrowth location, and manifesting nuclear waste directly over his recovering vessel. after FS easily accomplishes the above, ST is incontrovertibly out of the battle for good [see our OP.]
a.) since the "run around the world and get speed from all the speedsters" 'tactic' you mentioned above is illegal, wally will not have any more speed then he does at his normal levels.
b.) IF wally lends superman speed, it will geometrically increase his [superman's] metabolism. this would obviously increase the death of supes' already bursting cells, therefore exponentially decreasing his 'shelf life' [see our OP]... or in simpler terms - you've basically killed superman, instead of powering him up.
c.) since wally will be at normal levels, there is NO feasible way he's going to be 'blitzing' walter. why? because walter is FASTER than he is [walter post coming soon.]
first off, walter will have already lended FS speed, thus making him a flash level speedster - so supes will NOT be 'blitzing' him. secondly, IF supes hasn't already died due to the speed wally lent him, there is NO possible way he'd survive the aforementioned red sun blast from thor.
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in short...
-ST is taken out almost immediately after the battle begins.
-walter can and has beaten wally, so beating him again will pose no problem.
-you have essentially beaten superman for us, but IF he's still alive, a red sun blast from thor would end his misery.
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Show me a scan of Thor manipulating red sun radiation with mjolnir.
How can you accurately say that AS Superman's metabolism will be increased to such a level that he'll die within the time of the match? That's speculation on your part, he could die in two minutes or in two weeks.
As for Wally vs Walter, Walter had better control over his powers but he was also less stable and in their battle Wally wasn't really trying to fight, he was trying to talk him down so that's not an accurate assessment of his power.
You ask for a scan of Swamp-Thing regenerating from nuclear waste and I ask for a scan of Firestorm creating it en mass.
Okay, obviously, this looks bad for team JL and Omega. It's okay!
Nice strategy, but that's over doing. The attack doesn't even look like it overs more then a half a mile radius and you expect to destroy the entire Amazonian battlefield? No way.
How do you expect the explosion to even contact any team mate when ST has them covered. He can essentially becomes the entire battle field quickly.
I don't see the attack harming Wally whatsoever. Do you really expect the attack to hurt a being who can become intangible, and move fast then radiation itself? Not happening. I also do see how Walter>Wally when you already stated that in your opening prep strategy, you claimed that Walter will share his speed. With that said, how do you expect to beat an opponent with full speed? That's not happening either
That's entirely different. Why? We don't know the effect in Bizzaro world. Superman himself stated everything is opposite there. He even said the gravitational Pull is getting stronger and we don't know how strong the radiation by the "sun" was. Unless of course you are suggesting that FS can replicate it. In that case, it's baseless.
Do you have any scans of Thor even doing such a feat as you claim? Absorbing the power of red sun radiation(from his teammate) and hold it for more then 3-5 minutes and then release it? That's insane. Then, can I see how he magnifies an attack that's considered harmful by 100x?
Not to mention, ST is already fast and strong. I showed scan of him moving much quicker then FS. All he needs is a touch to either 1-Steal Firestorms (2) souls, he wont even have to hurt FS just touch him to take the hosts 2- steal his consciousness 3- Shut down the mind of one of the host in FS.
This is bad reasoning. Why? since when has increasing your speed increase you metabolism. If that's true, anyone with like flash will die quickly since they die from a metabolism that is too fast. Your body will it eats organs out. This is not the case.
Wally gave speed to his Girlfriend before and it didn't happen. There is no reason to believe it would happen to Superman. Even if it does, you have to prove that it can increase the speed of the metabolism that would effect Superman in the fight. It wouldn't.
In conclusion
-Fire Storms attack doesn't cover a large radius. Superman and ST and Wally will all be safe.
-Thor doesn't hasn't shown power to manipulate Res sun radiation, or the ability to hold something he absorb and release it in after a few minutes.
-ST only needs a second, or less to reform. He is faster then Firestorm and he only needs to make minimum contact with FS. I think it's possible
-Walter is not better then Wally especially after he lends 2/3 of his speed to his allies
With that said, Walter will go down quick
FS only needs to be touched to lose the fight and then it's 3 vs 1
look at those scans carefully. while it is true that ST regrew after elemental firestorm laid waste to a portion of that battlefield, it obviously took him some time to do so. how do i know? because ST had barely completed his regrowth in the time it took FS to casually WALK over to his location. and since walter will have lended jason speed in the prep period, he (jason) would surely be able to reach ST's regrowth location WAY before ST reached full 'maturity' -- then comes the nuclear waste attack.
understand that superman doesn't need to die in this battle in order to become all but useless. if you recall the all-star series itself, as superman's cells died, he began drastically weakening -- and that was with his normal metabolism. now take that into hyperdrive via wally-amp...
the main point is that wally's speed would hinder supes far more then it would help him.
that + their actual battle + walter's other exotic powers = walter > wally.
FS doesn't have to create the waste in mass. he only needs to manifest sufficient amounts to coat his hand (which was all it took to 'kill' ST before [see our OP]).
furthermore, jason is merged with one of the most impressive minds in DC, aka. professor stein. his scientific genius aside, stein also spent YEARS as elemental firestorm, roaming throughout space and gathering knowledge. that said, questioning whether or not he would have sufficient intelligence to create simple nuclear waste is laughable at best... especially when you consider the plethora of exotic materials FS has whipped up in the past.
heh. you’re focusing too much on the range of the blast rather than it’s potency. In all honesty, we don’t need to destroy the entire battlefield if our blast is sufficient to own everyone within your speculated radius.
the scan from our OP should have made it blatantly obvious that supes is weak to red sun - but since you still won't concede the point, here's additional proof of his weakness to the aforementioned: http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/2669331/as1.jpg.html
To put it simply – solaris emits red sun radiation. accordingly, superman had to don the solarsuit to protect himself from said radiation. Had he not, he would have been depowered/killed before even reaching solaris.
A/S is enormously weak to red sun radiation. End of story.
I already covered the first set of scans. As for the second set – per tourney rules, ST is only allowed one vessel. If that one vessel is destroyed (which, as explained earlier, is a rather simple task for our team) he cannot create an entirely new body via consciousness projection as he did in those scans. you're going to have to come up with a new one.
a.) ST was only able to use the soul-steal maneuver when he was possessed by anton arcane - it’s not part of his standard powerset. I didn’t find that out until after making his thread, so sorry about that.
b.) a purely speculative tactic. ST has NO feats suggestive of him being able to muck with the FS-matrix.
c.) speculation aside, show me a single instance of ST tampering with the mind/consciousness of a flash-level speedster… No such scans exist.
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brief summary:
-the potency of firestorm's initial attack on the field is what really matters. not a speculated range. but since our opponents seem to think range is what matters, jason also has the option of simply willing himself more powerful, thereby increasing the range/potency of his attacks.
-even if ST is capable of regrowth after our initial blast on the field, all FS needs to do is materialize a hand-sized portion of nuclear waste over ST to take him out of the battle for good. i say "for good" because after being touched by said material, ST was completely unable to so much as regrow himself, despite being in the middle of the swamp [see our OP]. instead, he had to project his consciousness to nearby green and create an entirely new vessel (which would be illegal [and pointless] in this match.)
-walter is more powerful than wally, and has more exotic powers to boot... he also lends the speed force itself to others.
-A/S superman is unquestionably weak to red sun rays. he would also have a sped up metabolism, and therefore, a drastically increased rate of cell death thanks to wally's amp.
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conclusion:
ST is taken our almost immediately after the proverbial bell rings via firestorm's initial blast + nuclear waste manifestation. IF superman survives the initial blast, there is NO possible way he'd survive a blast of red sun radiation from thor. and walter is faster and more powerful than wally, need i say more?
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Post . . . 4--maybe 3.5?
anywho, my partner has handled things admirably thus far, striking fear into the hearts of our foemen! he hasn't left me much, but i'll see if i can add a little something here and there.
first, the idea that thor couldn't absorb or redirect red solar energy. to which i say:
i could spend an hour drudging up scans of thor's energy absorption feats, but ultimately i wouldn't come up scans showing thor absorbing red solar radiation. likewise, i could spend all night trying to find a scan of thor making toast and not find THAT scan either. do i then conclude thor can't make toast?
thor's ability to absorb energy of ALL types (off the top of my head elemental, temporal, cosmic, biokinetic, electromagnetic, nuclear, magic . . .) is among his most heralded abilities. i could certainly post scans if needed, but the power is so rudimentary as to be beyond doubt. red solar rays are just one more form of radiation . . .
as far as his ability to multiply an attack by 100x:
as far as his having to hold it for '3-5 mins'. again i say:
he absorbed the blast just seconds prior to the onset of the battle and needs to hold it only another couple seconds while FS unleashes his blast which is immediately followed up by thor's OWN attack.
and if you were less than impressed with the level of power FS was throwing your way, try multiplying it by a hundred and see how that tastes.
there really wouldn't be much left of the forest i'm afraid . . . or of ST OR of superman.
unfortunately, even if you WERE correct, and the red rays were a little different or more powerful on bizarro world, it is undeniable that supes has a red sun weakness. in the doses WE are feeding it to him, even if the weakness was a MINOR one (and all indications are that it is a MAJOR one) he would be a french-fried kryptonian.
the only one of your team that could conceiveably survive our initial assault would be flash, but our assault is happening at flash level speeds so even THAT is in doubt. especially since he didn't enter the match phased. regadless, even if he did survive, he'd be attempting to solo all 3 of us who are very nearly his equal in speed. that woudn't have a happy ending for you guys.
so, to recap:
--you seemed underwhelmed with FS's attack. imagine then that same attack 100x stronger. still think the forest is standing?
--aborbing and manipulating red sun rays is so rudimentary for thor as to be barely worth the mentioning
--you have ALSO shared speed with your team . . . so to claim we are slower because we shared with our team is . . . well it isn't your best argument. especially when walter is faster than wally to begin with.
i think that should about cover it. happy now digi??
Never did I say Thor can't manipulate it. All I said was he can't hold it and release it any times he wants
That's kind of.... I hope you aren't going to start claiming that Thor can amp everything by 100x power. That's just bad reasoning. You can't claim that he can increase the attack that FS gives him by 100x, it's again, rather weird.
You missed the point really. You are still speculating. To my knowledge, Thor can absorb attacks, he can't hold them and release it back and on top of that, control it. That's all speculation on your part.
Swamp Thing has shown the ability to regenerate from the oil, you should know, you stated it. So even if there is a little as a pinch of oil in the battlefield, he'll regenerate. You even stated yourself in your respect thread, that ST basically learned how to reform instantly.
1- You must use current FS.
2- FS wont have time to create nothing. Swamp thing has speed that much faster then Firestorm's even if he is lend speed
See, that's where you are wrong. You can't claim that FS can increase his power always. That's a huge claim to make. First you claim he use an explosion to destroy the battlefield. Using the first scan you posted, it showed power, but it's radius, or diameter was small. It wouldn't effect anyone that's 1 miles away. It will be shiny
It wont destroy the battle field. That attack was strong, but again, showed no range in it's destructive power.
Yes, it was "par" of the strategy. However, you pretty much defeated my prep strategy. It's ineffective and can't be carried out. The party member will just follow the battle plan
I never claimed it's ineffective against Superman. I did however say you did claim it had a huge effect that he couldn't even fly after a small exposure. There were many factors Superman had in that situation. Bizaro world doesn't have the same laws. Superman even comment on that. There were 3 factors deciding Superman's power
1- I'll agree to that...again
2- I don't see why it wouldn't work. There is no advantage that they would gain
3- Does a conscious even have resistance against attacks?
in conclusion
- Superman ain't getting beat by his own metabolism. Neither is he getting hit by the blast FS will use. He has many ways of dodging it. He can become intangible, get out of the way(the radius of the blast is small), or move below the planet to cover(just a feet)
- ST can regrow from Oil and he is fast. With that said, he is also faster then Speed of Light, or at least close to it. He just needs to tag Fire Storm to beat him with either a Blitz, or doing something to the consciousness/mind.
- Who has a better chance of tagging each other, FS or ST? Obviously, ST, the Faster one
- Thor cannot amp any attack he want at 100x. The a huge claim to make. Next, we will hear that Thor can amp, Superman's absorbed HV by 100x, or Thor's Godblast by 100. Can anyone support such a claim
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-Even though my opponents believe Firestorm can unleash an attack right at the start of the fight, they have to remember, their partners are right next to the attack. They will take the hit as well
Though admittedly not as powerful as Darkseid Swamp-Things status as an elemental and his proven ability to interact with souls and even influence them (http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/...ties_souls1.jpg) lead me to believe he could pull it off as well.
Second off just as our Flash lending speed will slow him down so will your Flash be slowed and his more exotic abilities diminished when he lends his speed.
Thirdly the fact that Firestorm is phased won't be as much as a problem to Swamp-Thing as you seem to think considering that Swamp-Thing can and has resonated to pass through solid objects and travel at above light speed. http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/...size_small4.jpg
With speed lent from Wally that would become all the more devastating.
Fourthly you said Superman couldn't create his potions that bestow his power on others and here is where Swamp-Thing comes in handy again. http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/...abilities36.jpg
Admittedly the potion would be difficult to create but with a sample of Superman's blood or tissue and Kal's guidance Swamp-Thing could pull it off.
Conclusion:
Firestorm has to hope he can win a quick draw contest with Swamp-Thing since his Matrix is anything but tamper-proof and Swamp-Thing has light speed and the ability to phase to match his frequency.
Walter will be just as slowed by his lending speed as Wally is and with the added benefit of the potion (which Swamp-Thing can synthesize) he will have the distinct advantage over less than full power Walter.
all firestorm has to do is manifest a hand-sized portion of nuclear waste over/on ST, and he is out of the battle for good. as the scans in our OP CLEARLY depict, after ST was touched by the nuclear waste he was incapable of regrowing his existing vessel, despite being within a friggin' swamp. instead, he had to project his consciousness to some nearby forestry and reform a completely new body. since that 'tactic' would be illegal in this tourney, it's obviously not worth addressing any further than i have.
ST + nuclear waste = a dead ST-vessel = ST out of the match.
it's been stated several times. no reason for me to go over it again.
1.) i am. we have jason merged with stein.
2.) are you still referring to the single instance in which a digitized ST momentarily reached c to break free of superman's prison? c'mon.
if so, please don't tell me you think that showing is enough to place ST above a flash-level being, who can also become intangible..? furthermore, i'd love to know how ST would possibly have enough time to enter a digitized state, considering our battle plan..?
umm, he can increase his power at will. did you not look at the scans?
regardless, potency is what matters here. not range. [please see my last post for additional information on that subject.]
the point is: superman is extremely weak to red sun rays. end of story.
you missed the point entirely. for any sort of consciousness-based attack to have a slight chance at working, ST would have to first target the character in question with nearby foliage [which wouldn't be there], then said foliage would have to be fast enough snag a flash level character.
so unless ST has shown sufficient ability to tamper with a speedster's consciousness [which he hasn't] then there is no hope of that 'tactic' panning out.
had you read our OP, you would have known that all of our team members will be intangible when the blast is discharged.
first tell me the exact ability darkseid used which allowed him to tamper with the matrix. then post a scan depicting ST utilizing that same ability.
otherwise, please don't speculate, and/or give ST powers he simply does not have.
ST's ability to travel to the dimension of the dead, and help influence the souls there is in no way/shape/form indicative of an ability to tamper with the matrix. not by a long shot.
again, do not give ST abilities he doesn't possess.
regarding this 'feat', please see my previous comment.
also, at no point in time did you guys mention that lending speed to ST was part of your tactic. are you just adding it now, or what?
ST is only capable of synthesizing materials that are related to plant-life. and since you have absolutely NO idea what type materials were used in superman's potion, claiming that ST could duplicate it is horribly speculative on your part.
furthermore, when in the heck would he have time to do this anyway?
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conclusion:
not much to say. it seems like our opponents keep trying to add tactics to their original plan, whilst simultaneously forgetting what our plan is.
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well . . . in general, thor absorbs powers in the middle a battle. therefore it wouldn't really make much sense for him to absorb a blast then hold it until after the battle has ended. however, thor most certainly CAN absorb and hold power within his hammer for prolonged periods of time:
THAT was the combined power of several skyfathers he held within mjolnir as he went around gathering power. i think it safe to say he could contain a red solar energy blast from FS for a few seconds.
JLK SAITH: i don't believe thor can absorb a blast and send it back 100x stronger than the one he absorbed!
LEO SAITH: yes he can.
JLK SAITH: i don't believe it! show me a scan!
LEO SAITH: okay . . . [shows scan]
JLK SAITH: that's stupid! i don't like it so it can't happen!
LEO SAITH: oddly enough, the old "i don't like it so it didn't happen" defense is rarely effective in tournaments.
on-panel proof>>>protestations that said on-panel proof is TEH STUPID!!1!
oops . . .
hmm, so on the one hand, you say superspeed doesn't speed up metabolism, then in the next section, you say wally has to SLOW DOWN impulses metabolism?
and you need to be careful using real-world science to explain away things like this. wasn't it impulse who had to eat a lot because his metabolism WAS so quickened? i could be thinking of someone else, but i thought it was impulse. superspeed certainly increases biological processes. thinking speeds, cellular regeneration, perceptual skills--all of these things are markedly increased in speedsters, and MUST be increased when speed is leant to someone. you don't see people who have been granted speed running into walls, or being unable to process how they are suddenly in a new place before their minds could even process the fact that they've moved . . .
no, it is not in the least illogical to assume that superman's metabolism would be increased along with all these other things. and even if you DID realize you were killing him during prep, the damage would have been done already anyway.
between the speed boost and our red sun blasts, superman (who likely wouldn't have any speed boost at all) is a dead man instants after the match opens.
i know galan handled this, but still . . .
even IF you don't buy it, thor's follow-up blast would ENSURE there was nothing left.
sweet. then we agree superman dies.
says you!
you hurt him by lending speed. with our OWN speed boost, we'll be faster than you. supes is a dead man. (oh, and if all he had to do was turn intangible, why bother with armor? and even IF anyone thinks for a moment he could survive the opening 2 blasts, NOTHING KEEPS FS FROM CONTINUALLY EMITTING RED SUN RAYS. it's not like we use it once and it's gone . . .
again dealt with by galan, but again:
HV? sure he could. godbalst? well, since that is HIS attack, that might be kinda tough . . . be cool though!
My Judgement (congrats to both teams and please do not be offended by my criticism):
Overall: This seemed like a rather meat and potatoes match, nothing too fancy. Both teams seemed to have relatively straight forward plans, but whereas Omega/xJLx (referred hereon as OX) plan did not seem to be specifically geared towards the characters of their opponents and just seemed like a rather general battle plan, I felt Leonidas/Galan (hereon referred as LG) plan was much more focused on exploiting their opponent's specific weaknesses. I aslo felt OX prep plan had some major plausibility issues that Galan attacked and OX never really defended. I think OX did an admirable job in trying to throw a veil of skepticism over the whole Thor holding red energy in Mjolnir and then unleashing it on Superman. I thought that would be OX's last chance to salvage the battle, but Leonidas came through with the scan that proved this to be a viable tactic. That was checkmate in my book...although I feel even had that not been proven, team LG had already a significant enough lead at that point to deserve the win. OX did a good job in trying to poke holes in LG's plans but LG was able to effectively defend their points.
Originality:
Omega/xJLx - 2/5 - there was some creativity regarding superman building armors and potions, but it wasn't backed up.
Galan/Leo - 2/5 - I found the use of Mjolnir holding red energy to be quite original. Everything else was fairly standard.
Effectiveness:
Omega/xJLx - 1/5 - I did not find your plan to be effective because you failed to show many of the things listed in the prep to be plausible (ie superman building armors etc). When Galan attacked the plausibility of your plan, you failed to make an adequate defense.
Galan/Leo - 4/5 - Your plan was straightforward and relatively simple. You were able to back up your plan with relevant evidence.
Debating skill:
Omega/xJLx - 3/10 - I thought you guys shined when trying to poke holes in your opponent's plans but really did not do a good job of defending your OWN plan. It just seemed you were more comfortable in saying why their plan wouldn't work than why yours would. In the end, I wasn't convinced you guys even believed in your team winning. I also think you did a poor job of supplying relevant evidence and some of your posts just blasted feat scans rather than show why a scan was even relevant.
Galan/Leo - 7/10 - I think Galan's initial post pretty much showed every flaw with their opponent's plan and Leo's post proving the Mjolnir strategy plausible effectively shut their opponents down. You guys presented a clear, easy to understand strategy and directly addressed your opponents every critique (which they failed to do).
The above are the rules for the tourney. And I think Omega and XLX would have been well served to realize that the whole potion creation process was irrelevant. But I also think that the same rules probably would have prevented Galan from speeding up All Star supermans metabolism through what I consider to be time manipulation and/or matter manipulation of an opponent. Or evidence that nuclear waste was created before by Jason Rusch.
Even if I don't necessarily agree with their arguments, it isn't my job to determine who would win with the characters they have, but who debated better. To that end, as a matter of debate, I believe Galan and Leo did an overall better job of attacking their opponents arguments and sadly XLXKing and Omega Vision didn't take much of their opportunities to defend themselves well and by taking notice of the rules of this tourney.
Galan/Leo
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I'm pretty disappointed to say that this match was fairly easy to judge due to several rule oversights on the part of Omega and JL which left the meat of their prep immaterial. This match devolved into them attempting to poke holes in an offensive they were unprepared for and the result becoming a foregone conclusion.
My vote: Leonidas/Galan
As for the point system allotments:
Originality:
JL/Omega 1/5
Leonidas/Galan 1/5
JL and Omega's plan wasn't legal or original, wheras Leonidas and Galan's plan was admittedly bland (yet effective). Likely saving the big guns.
Effectiveness:
JL/Omega 1/5
Leonidas/Galan 4/5
Jl & Omega dug themselves in a hole they didn't have the means to get out of, and to add insult to injury, they get beaten by the exact tactic they'd intentionally, and illegally, prepared for. Irony can be harsh. This was pretty much an execution style match for Leo and Galan.
Omega and JL tried to argue themselves out of a big hole they placed themselves in due to their lack of either understanding or attention to detail with the rules, but it wasn't very effective in my opinion. Just a rookie mistake in prep really. I know they can perform better.
Galan and Leo pretty much coasted on this one due to their opponents effectively defeating themselves.
For the most part it was enjoyable because of the cheba but Omega/ JL suffered from inexperience and Leon/ Galan were less exposed imo.
Originality: Leon/ Galan: 1/5 Omega/ JL: 1/5
I agree with the general 1/5 for eachside speed stealing even though illegal . Red sun radiation?
Effectiveness: Leon/ Galan: 4/5 Omega/ JL: 2/5
like i said Team JL/Omega suffered a little bit from inexperience which pretty much killed their effectiveness
Debating skills: Leon/ Galan 7/10 Omega/ JL 4/10
Team Omega and JL rallied a little bit in this area wasn't enough though
Leo and Galan take the cake but the other team pretty much doomed themselves from the start
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Jan 5th, 2010 12:47 AM
I hope you aren't going to start claiming that Thor can amp everything by 100x power. That's just bad reasoning. You can't claim that he can increase the attack that FS gives him by 100x, it's again, rather weird. 
oddly enough, the old "i don't like it so it didn't happen" defense is rarely effective in tournaments. 
