Also may I add that Gray Jedi and Rogue Jedi are the Same Thing...albeit that Rogue Jedi....tend to be protrayed as more...how can I say it....Insain...but they are not..Gray and Rogue Jedi are the Same..
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"I see more Grey than Light or Dark now days." - Jolee Bindo
Gray Jedi do not exist. It is a mistaken view stemming from Qui-Gon's disagreement on viewpoints with the Council. He is a Renegade who breaks the rules, but he is unmistakeably aligned with the Jedi, the Republic, and the Light Side.
Jolee Bindo can choose to reject a side of the Force all he likes, but he is still a Jedi and still fights for the good guys.
Kreia is a Sith Lord. No.
Kyle Katarn has issues dipping into the Dark Side for power, but the canon ending for Jedi Knight is that he chose the Light Side. For Jedi Outcast, Kyle Katarn is falling to the Dark Side before pulling himself back to the Light but retains his ability to use Lightning, which has been retconned by the Jedi vs. Sith Guide as being accessible to Jedi without falling (though I think that is slightly silly, but there you go).
Kyp Durron fell to Kun's manipulations and was redeemed.
Nejaa Halcyon? Jedi Master, disappeared upon death, indicating Light Side status. I don't see anything indicating Gray.
Qui-Gon Jinn was not Gray. He disagreed with the views of the Council. That is all. See what I said above.
Quinlan Vos also has issues, like Kyle, in dabbling with the Dark Side. But he is redeemed every time (that damn revolving door policy...)
The Exile and Revan do not qualify; canonically, the Light Side ending is followed, making them good guys and Light Siders.
Cade Skywalker is falling to the Dark Side, one outraged burst at a time. Only a matter of time before he will need to be redeemed...
Aurra Sing is a Dark Jedi, no mistaking that. She's evil, kills Jedi (sometimes not even because of a bounty), and relies on her hatred for power.
Vergere, due to her sowing the seeds of corruption of Krayt and Caedus, and temporarily studying under Palpatine, I would qualify as a Dark Sider. Or redeemed, I guess. Hard to tell with her, but there is no in between.
He redeemed himself after being cut off; he may not have used the Force, but he returned to the Light as far as his morals and soul were concerned. Remember that he vanishes, which is a Light Side trait.
For convenience, the term Grey Jedi is applied. It's a bit of an oxymoron, but whatever. They're "grey" in that they fall in to that muddy no-man's land between serving the Jedi and the Light and being a slave to the Sith and the Dark. They don't adhere to strict Jedi dogma, but don't give in to their emotions and desires. Yet for all that, their moral and political allignment seems to be ultimately towards the Jedi.
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In that case, I just don't think Gray is a fitting term. Renegade describes them better; they rebel against the usual rules and traditions of the Jedi in order to serve justice on their own terms (while still obeying the law, of course!). But yes, those definitely exist. Just look at Qui-Gon.
Gray gets slung about as 'using both sides of the Force.' That is the concept that I find ridiculous.
is this not similar to the "lost twenty" anyway?...Jedi masters who have left the order...if so then Dooku can be counted among them...at least for a short time between leaving the order and becoming tyrannus
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It's not for 'convenience', it is an adolescent term made up by 'cool' wannabes who like the idea of having all the cool Dark Side powers (or at least motivations) but without the moral implications, and trying to get a healthy dose of trying to make out that they are not slaves to whatever they define as 'Jedi dogma', another rather silly term. The fact that the Council was 100% right about pretty much everything in the films doesn't enter into their mentality- it all comes down to them simply not wanting to take orders from anyone, which shows a certain amount of ill-thinking in of itself. Listen to those much older, wiser, more sensible and more experienced than me? Oh no, that's only for Light Side losers. I'm a GRAY Jedi, me. Yeah, that's better, isn't it?
It's all part of the "I don't play by anyone else's rules..." mentality that really irritates. And you just know that any KOTOR MMO is going to be filled to the brim with the likes of this, making it useless at a stroke. The mentality for most behind the Gray jedi concept is simple selfishness, which is as quick a way to the Dark Side as any.
It is, without doubt, one of the most feeble concepts in Star Wars fandom. If it ever could have had any reasonable use, it has been irredeemably sullied by the way it has been generally used.
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