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Warning League of Champions Week Three: Bdub/Smurph Vs. Charlotte

Week 3 Battlefield: The Amazon Rain Forest
Duration: Monday, September 29th @ 10am thru Friday, October 3rd @ 12am)


Bdub/Smurph Vs. Charlotte (#)

Judges: Red, Symmetric Chaos, Illadelph


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Bdub/Smurph's Opening Post

Deus Ex Machina (Blair/Smurph)


Prep

Team:

Prodigy (Reed/Hank/Nimrod/Vector)
Boy Blue
Black Widow II

Prep: Fabletown (Boy Blue)

Prep will start at Boy Blue’s desk in Snow White’s office.

Boy Blue will immediately set off to grab all necessary items (not standard, but in prep area):

The Magic Mirror
The Genie’s Lamp
The Witching Cloak
The Vorpal Blade

Boy Blue will don the Witching Cloak and take the Vorpal Blade.

The cloak allows for invisibility, shape shifting, limitless storage capacity, complete invulnerability and teleportation.

The blade can kill anything, cut through practically anything, and any cut that it makes is a killing blow.

Blue will ask the Mirror, which can see anything/everything, across dimensions, to show him his enemies position at all times as soon as the battle starts.

Blue will rub the Genies lamp, and tell the Genie to:

Block all methods of detecting our team
Put up barriers around our team to deflect anything intended to harm us, while allowing our attacks through.
Propel our team at super speeds, while allowing us to operate as well as we would standing still. We’ll go for, say, Mach 50.

Of course, Blue makes all these wishes with minimal time left, so that the Genie can grant them all, but so that we’re not around once the Genie’s free to do what he pleases.

Genies (or Djinn) were said, in Fables, to be twice as powerful as Elder Gods, capable of anything. It was said that they could eliminate America with ease. It was said that if two Genie-level beings were to do battle, it would make Earth entirely uninhabitable.

So granting three minor wishes like these shouldn’t be a problem.

Meanwhile, Nimrod completely assimilates all of Reed’s info, immediately after all four combine to create the amalgam Prodigy.

Nimrod will then morph his body, as he is capable of turning his body into any machine he wants.

I’ll get to what he’s morphing to in a bit…

But immediately before the battle, Blue uses the witching cloak to transport everybody outside.

Nimrod immediately morphs his body in order to duplicate the:

Sonic Shark
http://img127.imageshack.us/img127/...our07214re4.jpg
http://img386.imageshack.us/img386/...our07216zv1.jpg
http://img129.imageshack.us/img129/...our07218tf8.jpg
http://img264.imageshack.us/img264/...our07219do5.jpg

Class 4 Disintegrator

And

Electronic Converter

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We’ll also get ready to make an omnidirectional broadcast of both the

Ultra-high frequency sonics
http://img338.imageshack.us/my.php?...94page17ah6.jpg

And the Synapse Dislocuter
http://img395.imageshack.us/my.php?...94page19sy3.jpg

Does this seem like a lot?

Probably.

But consider that, as Kitty points out, Nimrod can instantly make any tech he wants… and all the tech we’re trying to make here, Nimrod has made in the past with his powers or Reed has made… and Nimrod now has all of Reed’s knowledge, plus he’s amalgamated with the guy.

Reed, with Nimrod’s computer brain, can also recall any details instantly, so this should all be cake.

Before they go, Prodigy grows to 200 feet.

Battle

We hit them with the Synapse Dislocuter, and sonics at once. Those left Juggernaut helpless and paralyzed, debilitating the other team should be cake.

We then follow up with the sonic shark, and energy converter all at once. These took out Silver Surfer and Magneto respectively… our opponents don’t stand a chance.

We finish by blowing them to kingdom come with the class 4 disintegrator + Vectors repelling force. This was said to be capable of taking out a small moon and flay the skin off the HULK. ‘Nuff said.

Remember, we’re completely undetectable, invulnerable, moving at Mach 500 speed, and know where our enemies are at all times.

If there’s anybody left afterwards, Boy Blue blitzes them with the vorpal blade.

Game, Set, Match.


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Charlotte's Opening Post

The list of characters:
Saraswati (Omega Sentinel+Oracle)
Emeralda (Emma Frost+Miss Martian)
Alchemist (Zachary Zatara+Nyssa Raatko)
Prep site- Birds of Prey HQ
Prep duration- 10 minutes.


1st minute. Omega Sentinel starts exchanging parts on nanolevel with New Genesis technology in Oracle’s possession, thus upgrading her CPU, internal modem, hard drive etc.

Here, Karima exchanges her Sentinel nanotech with another piece of technology
http://www.picamatic.com/view/783334_X-Men_#195_004/
http://www.picamatic.com/view/783361_X-Men_#195_005/

During the Maggedon crisis, Oracle got her tech upgraded using Motherbox lend to her by Orion, that gave her cyberpathy.
http://www.picamatic.com/view/987067___hr_418/
The New Genesis technological upgrade of Oracle’s tech has remained after the crisis and wasn’t removed (though direct interface via Motherbox disappeared). Here, Brainiac addresses Oracle having New Gods’ tech and later uses it in his attempts to cyborgise and possess Oracle.
http://www.picamatic.com/view/987203_page10/
Later after that Oracle uses New Genesis' tech to forge an "Oracle mask" for herself that once again gave her direct access to cyberpathy.
Here she uses that power to hack into sophisticated and pretty well-guarded Lex Luthor’s satellites.
http://www.picamatic.com/view/769562_page06/

Apart from general processing speed and data capacity upgrade, Omega Sentinel’s cyberpathic abilities get a big upgrade, moving to planetary-level. Established time to do that- 4 minutes.


Meanwhile, Oracle prepares two backup hard drives to be integrated into Karima’s systems lately. One of them contains every single virus found on DC Earth:
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1064422_scan0014/
She also prepares firewall to prevent possible backfiring of digital viral attack on our cybergoddess herself.
http://www.picamatic.com/view/10712...sofPrey111-015/
Another piece of software is decoder to ensure the stuff would run without problems on both DC- and Marvel-comparable systems.
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1091936_Hawkgirl_064-16/

The second one is more interesting. For those who doesn’t know, Oracle owns the biggest database in DC universe… she has data on possibly anything- or almost anything. Including the data on the weaponry of multiple villains being captured by JLA.
She uses that data (plus information from Calculator) to identify that weaponry when it gets physically stolen by the lowly villains while all the "big fish" is busy during Salvation Run mini and then briefs the info to her spy, Infinity.
http://www.picamatic.com/view/10708...f_Prey_119-018/
http://www.picamatic.com/view/10709...f_Prey_119-019/
We then take a hard drive with the specs of all that exotic weaponry and prepare to plug it into Omega Sentinel’s systems, thus giving her entire arsenal of new weapons to create from her nanotechnology.
That all is getting collected in the 4 minutes Omega Sentinel upgrades her systems with New Genesis tech.

2-3 minutes. Nyssa\Zachary and MM\Emma amalgamate.
Karima and Oracle continue pre-amalgamation prep work.

4 minutes. Oracle has finished collecting data on additional memory cards\hard drives.

That done, we integrate both drivers in Karima’s systems (she should be ready with her upgrades now), and then Karima and Oracle amalgamate.

5 minutes. Emeralda once again mindlinks Alchemist and Stu Clarke, this time we’re simply recreating standart Rampage suit and give it some tech-location sensors to navigate.
Then Alchemist, using his own memory he got when teaming up with Robin and Ravager, magically recreates Ravager's energy sabers.
http://www.picamatic.com/view/10713..._Titans_057-17/
http://www.picamatic.com/view/10713..._Titans_057-18/
http://www.picamatic.com/view/10714..._Titans_057-19/
They share the same properties as Persuader’s famous atomic axe except being unable to cut organics. What’s more- crossing those sabers creates potent energy shield. We create 6 of them.

Sabers are ideal weapons for Alchemist to use. The saber was Nyssa's weapon of choice since 1790’s and back then her father, Ra's al Ghul, labeled her as almost his equal in fencing skills.

Also, it should be noted than in both passed rounds I've used Emeralda's TP to assimilate handy skills from the teams I've beaten. Emma has been telepathically assimilating stuff from the minds of others since her college years.
http://img81.imageshack.us/my.php?image=image10vq4.jpg

In the 1st round it was non-Phoenix Jean ending up just like Astrid Bloom here http://img524.imageshack.us/my.php?...ost1817rhs9.jpg
Everything from her training being learned.

My trophies from the 2nd round were combat skills of Wolverine, Judomaster’s skills and DCUA Hawkgirl’s skills in aerial combat and martial arts.

In addition to that, Emeralda downloads Alchemist's saberfighting skills and shares with him\her whatever fencing-related skills she has learned from previous matches.
Alchemist then uses his magic and knowledge to charge the sabers with Lazarus Pit energy, making ‘em able to destroy undeads and repel magic on contact.
http://www.picamatic.com/view/10036...led-Scanned-09/

6 minutes. Saraswati amalgam is created. What she does first is establishing anti-virus filters to ensure the safety of the things we'll be doing later on, as well as establishing decoders and filters to adjust DC software to her own operational system (which happens to be the same as Nimrod’s).

The rest of the time- mindlink is established between the team members, Saraswari and Alchemist are putting on their gear and checking data and Emeralda starts prepping for battle.

She grows 2 extra arms to wield 4 swords instead of 2. The next thing she does is covering herself in shiny, organic diamond epidermal exoskeletons.

Recently on multiple occasions it was shown that Emma can turn only her body parts diamond while still having access to her TP.

http://img227.imageshack.us/my.php?...dcp00025jj7.jpg
Only eyes turned diamond, uses TP.
http://img217.imageshack.us/my.php?...men01010eh8.jpg
Skin turned diamond, feels no pain, uses TP.
The telepathy would work just fine and diamond epidermis will give the protection from the thing Martians fear the most- flames.
http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gx3_JkvA
http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gx3_JBYA

Apart from defensive, there’s some interesting thing about said exoskeleton in terms of offence. In fact, such thing not only won’t hinder Emeralda’s telepathic powers, but amplify it.
http://img282.imageshack.us/my.php?...11roughexc5.jpg
http://img338.imageshack.us/my.php?...12rougheub5.jpg

Said exoskeleton focuses and amplifies Emeralda’s psionic energy and focuses\absorbs ambient one. One of ambient sourses being Vector (a telekinetic), whom you guys sure would intend to use to his limits.

We also establish camouflage, invisibility\intangibility and cloaking holograms- just like in our previous matches.

COMBAT
Upon entering the battlefield Saraswati enters cyberpathical clinch with Nimrod\whatever amalgam he’s in. She then does what Oracle did in tandem with Sasha Bordeaux downloads every single computer virus from DC Earth into Nimrod’s systems.

Note, that the viruses are from absolutely different universe, adjusted to interface with MU-based operational systems. So Nimrod is bound to be at least confused and chances for attack to susseed are good.

The filters established in prep would prevent the attack from backfiring.

Conclusion- the attack would left Nimrod dazzled for a few seconds- more than enough to use electrical attack like that one.
http://www.picamatic.com/view/10037...alibur_04_(22)/

Thing is, distracted Nimrod suffers from far lesser electrical attacks. Surge has pwned him when his systems were turned off\distracted, and ton of viruses from the universe unknown to Nimrod>Mercury infiltrating his body to prevent wounds from being healed.
http://img158.imageshack.us/my.php?...men31021jr7.jpg
Repeated damage would prevent him from repair. So is the attack by vast amouth of unknown viruses.

With Nimrod gone a vast bulk of your team’s offence is gone.

That leaves Vector…Vector is a telekinetic. What does that mean?

Emma’s skill with manipulations of raw psionic energy allowed her to successfully negate TK from Phoenix Force, no less:
http://img128.imageshack.us/my.php?...e0304zb4ep1.jpg
http://img408.imageshack.us/my.php?...xmes0406sv4.jpg

Also note, when possessing Emma’s body, Jean was able to use Emma's pseudoTK\raw psionic energy manipulation for emulating actual TK:
http://img145.imageshack.us/my.php?...men28212dh8.jpg
http://img240.imageshack.us/my.php?...men28214bg3.jpg
That means that with Jean’s experience said Emma’s power would be even more potent.

So while Saraswati attacks Nimrod with viruses and later attacks him with electricity to shut him off, Emeralda distorts and disrupts Vector’s TK attack, using exoskeleton to accumulate ambient psionic energy in process. She also sends out astral form for quick area scouting.

Emeralda and Saraswati have more than enough to keep both Nimrod and Vector in bay.
Alchemist is acting as backup teleporting your external tech away, bringing huge trees down on the heads of your team etc.Alchemist will also use weather magic to neutralize forest fires, should the opposition be using ones.

That said, the best of luck to Blair and Smurph.


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Old Post Sep 29th, 2008 05:38 PM
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Charlotte DeBel
White Queen of KMC

Gender: Female
Location: Belarus

Charlotte's post #1
Shadowpack vs "Team stretchers"


Good luck to you guys. And you really need it there.

First of all, only "just cause" Blue works as a gopher in Snow White's office, doesn't mean he can go and steal whatever he wishes from there.
Let me remind you the major prep rule:

quote:

6. Prep is allowed. You get 30 (thirty) minutes of prep per match at a member of your team's historical base of operations. Characters that are members of teams (JLA, Stormwatch, Avengers, etc) will be able to utilize the team base of operations unless the character is also a solo hero and has their own personal base of operations (i.e. Batman gets the Bat-cave as his base even though as a member of the JLA he has access to the Watchtower). For characters that are members of a team you will not have access to any of their teammates equipment or arsenal, only the prep host's resources. The only resource available to you other than the prep host's arsenal will be the computer database present at the base. You get the character's historic primary base of operations and access to the prep host's equipment only. No exceptions and no loopholes. The default prep area is the Old Trafford Stadium in Manchester, England.


I'd like to say you that your "prep" is no more legal than say, Leo's use of S'ym in the match against Kandy (the use of Genie=S'ym and he violates "no independent constructs" rule) or Fangirl's use of Hawkman's mace. The dude got freakin' ARRESTED after he stole that stuff from the Major's office when he went to save Pinnochio.
Yes, after that Prince Charming has legalised the usage of that stuff, what you claim may be- MAY BE- probable... too bad when he declared that, the Cloak and the Vorpal Sword have become the standart equipment of Boy Blue, making him at least 20 points instead of 5 you've claimed.

So- massive part of your prep is illegal there. He didn't OWN the stuff in Mayor's office... he STOLE it from there the 1st time he went to save Pinnochio.
Good luck claiming it's his property, guys.

Now to what you're doing with Nimrod.
Growing to 200 ft? Huh? Contrary to what you're trying to state, gigantic Nimrod would be suffering from all kinds of troubles.
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1099096_massweakness/
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1099097_massweakness2/

When his mass increases, he needs to draw all his energy just to compensate for damage- how the hell that translates into becoming stronger while growing bigger? Dude can't withstand his mass increasing.

Also note that attack was INTERNAL, not EXTERNAL... so showings of EXTERNAL durability or Vector's powers won't help you there.

http://www.picamatic.com/view/10991...209_(Large)-16/
http://www.picamatic.com/view/10991...09_](Large)-17/
http://www.picamatic.com/view/10991...209_(Large)-18/
That's what happened right afterwards. Apart from recovery time more than 2 minutes long AFTER his mass returned to normal, he has shown his horrible weakness against amalgamated character (Kitty+Colossus).

Now... to using Kitty's comment as proof that Nimrod can actually create a bunch of sophisticated stuff from scratch. Let's adress that scan the claim originated from:
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1102018___hr_Page_17/
That was the very 1st Nimrod\X-Men encounter and Kitty didn't even know WTF Nimrod was until she tried to phase through it. Lulz at using uneducated random guess as "proof".
A bunch of basic stuff (sound blast, forcefields)+ a TIGHT BLAST OF CONCENTRATED SOUND hitting Juggernaut and resonating through his TP- proof helmet? Hardly a claim justifying Nimrod can create herald-busting tech from scratch.

To sum up the 1st part- huge Nimrod is horribly unstable tech, the only proof for you he can replicate Richards-level tech from scratch is uneducated claim from teenage girl who saw Nimrod for the 1st time, and the part of your prep adressing Boy Blue is illegal (he was prosecuted for stealing the things, and when he got legal access to them, sword\cloak become his standart equipment (sword was even tied to his hand by Dr Swineheart)).

The 2nd part is to be posted soon and it'll adress some lesser parts of their prep. Adressing Nimrod, Vector, the effectivity of our cyberpathical attack and anything else.


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Old Post Sep 29th, 2008 06:31 PM
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Charlotte DeBel
White Queen of KMC

Gender: Female
Location: Belarus

Charlotte's post #2
aka The Debunking of Incredible Stretchers


Let’s begin with another big (or not so) feat of Vector aka the Gamma base feat from the Incredible Hulk #277.

We see that apparently everyone in the world appears in that scene- from Strange and Xavier to Spiderman and Daredevil (next panel shows us Alpha Flight in Canada and the Krylovs siblings in Minsk- they’re apparently also interested in saving Hulk…or most likely don’t care and are shown for dramatic purpose).
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1071458_Hulk277_05a/
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1071459_Hulk277_05b/

Later in issue the “All-mighty” Vector gets horribly pwned by some low meta alien chick- movie director with fancy bag. So…are we to believe that low meta alien and some wound up toys>>>damn near everyone in the Earth?
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1071433_Hulk277_07a/
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1071434_Hulk277_10b/

Or more likely it was PIS? Also the words about Cerebro are misleading- the earlier model was built specifically to detect mutants, and U-Foes... well, nobody of them is a mutant. And Vector’s powers weren’t the lowest thing to do that to Xavier’s powers back in the 80ies…how’bout school canteen or basketball game?
http://img206.imageshack.us/my.php?...series01ez0.jpg

Emma’s Mutivac was more reliable piece of tech in that regard than earlier models of Chuck's Cerebro.

The Strange thing in that arc is also misleading- though during that arc the writers of Incredible Hulk had purpose to establish Hulk as #1 Defender. How to do that with the roster including Strange and Hellstorm? Answer- make every of them but Hulk job horribly in a Hulk book. Strange was PISed down at Magik's level…really.

http://www.picamatic.com/view/1065419_Hulk278_14b/
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1065360_Hulk278_15a/
Poor Strange jobs so that Wolverine can hail Huc the Almighty. LOL.

But enough with what one may call “simply calling PIS what I don’t like”. The other thing that characterizes that event as PIS was... Vector being horribly PWNed in all his later encounters by every single telepath or mage.

Here the Leader pwns him- a B- or C- list telepath at best:
http://www.picamatic.com/view/10652...le_Hulk_398-04/

The Controller- another dude not qualified enough even to lick Emma’s boots:
http://www.picamatic.com/view/10647...esForHire04p20/
http://www.picamatic.com/view/10651...esForHire04p21/

Double ownage- by both low tier mage and TP from SHIELD’s roster.
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1076545_img004-005/

So where’s the allmighty defences in all those scans? Answer- nowhere. If they ever were anywhere.

Also, Vector’s powers are nothing but blasts of telekinetic energy… easily dodgeable blasts. That’s why Vector was horribly PWNed by White Tiger multiple times. You just need to be a bit more agile than Hulk to do that.
Observe.
http://www.picamatic.com/view/10646...oesForHire1p31/
http://www.picamatic.com/view/10646...oesForHire1p32/

And she does that again…
http://www.picamatic.com/view/10650...esForHire04p19/

Vector supposedly greatest feat, “reality ripping”, happened as side effect of the attempt of Vector to destroy the prison and kill some investigators or whatever, but at the same time it failed to kill people it was aimed at.

Observe.
http://www.picamatic.com/view/10714..._v2_-_304_-_09/
http://www.picamatic.com/view/10714..._v2_-_304_-_10/

Note the woman sitting right in front of Vector on the 1st panel of the 1st scan. She’s supposed to take the bulk of the hit. If it was really tearing through the fabric of reality, the poor thing should have been vaporized into nothingness! However, in the bottom of second scan she’s alive and well, observing the U-Foes disappearing.

LOL at “reality ripping” that can’t even damage the hairdo of some lady (the investigators in the scan were regular humans). That was horrible plot induced thing to explain U-Foes getting into that strange world where they faced Hulk.

Now to Nimrod. You claimed him to be the almighty technopath based on what? Hacking Forge’s systems? We don’t know how exactly advanced his software was, but what we know is that Forge looked very nooby when it comes to defences in his sowtware.

http://img46.imageshack.us/my.php?i...en030012zy9.jpg

Password “Ororo” What the f**k?

Now tell me guys, who the hell protects his defensive systems with password which is not only a meaningful word, but the name of your girlfriend whom you almost married? Noobs and lamers.

Forge may subconsciously build impressive hardware (sometimes not even realising how it works), but software isn't his cup of tea.

Now observe how pros work:
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1082506_Batman633-19/

No meaningful words. Random combination of letters and numbers. Oracle might not be the best in DC, when it comes to inventing tech, but she’s the best there is when it comes to computers, databases and technopathy. What does that mean for Saraswati? She’s good enough to PWN dude with exactly ONE technopathical feat shown, involving hacking nooby password (only "12345" or "qwerty" would be lamer combos).

His another claim to fame against the virus attack of ours is that he seemingly was able to adjust his programming to timeline shifting. That's myth and let's bust that.
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1098859___hr_Page_40/
What he does there is comparing two data streams to map and locate a person in timestream. That helps to defend against viruses how?
http://www.picamatic.com/view/10987...of_Prey_030-07/
Here Oracle does just the same Nimrod does in that scan of yours. Tracking Black Canary in the timestream following her signature (broadcasting frequency in that case).

Reed's smarts won't help as well, as Barbara is as capable as a hacker\technopath can be without getting actual superpowers. Here she's trashing Brainiac, a dude who's smarter than Reed.
http://www.picamatic.com/view/987695_page18/

Planetary level computer attack gets treated as if it were some joke.
http://www.picamatic.com/view/10707...wn_038_page_08/
http://www.picamatic.com/view/10707...wn_038_page_11/
http://www.picamatic.com/view/10707...wn_038_page_20/

Now to Nimrod’s physical defences. Scoobs and Leo already pointed out a few gaps in it. I’ll show a bit more of them.
How'bout being pwned by tag-team composed of Dust, Mercury and Surge? Hardly herald or even high meta people:
http://img501.imageshack.us/my.php?...men31016kc9.jpg
http://img232.imageshack.us/my.php?...men31018en8.jpg
http://img158.imageshack.us/my.php?...men31021jr7.jpg

If electricity from Surge was able to put Nimrod in the world of hurt, then Saraswati horribly obliterates him or whatever amalgam he's in.

Electrical storm that took out the entire invasion corps of Genosha Magistrates:
http://www.picamatic.com/view/10037...alibur_04_(22)/

Combined with1000+ viruses invading into his software? It’s a horrible, horrible pwnage. And we can make it even more horrible.

Lately it was shown that Zachary has become a disciple of Zatanna and it helped him to overcome his limitations a bit. For example, he can now cast spells directly affecting sentient beings even if the duration is short.
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1099600_Superman-_016/
Here he gives Superman a sundip potent enough to become able to trash magically powered Atlas in under a minute. A sundip was supposed to last a minute only, but it doesn't matter, as we won't be amping anyone. We would be OVERLOADING'em.

In the scan I've posted just above, Zachary roughly replicates that feat of his cousin's:
http://img99.imageshack.us/my.php?i...av124411in4.jpg
http://img240.imageshack.us/my.php?...av124412yq7.jpg
A year's worth supply of solar energy (or the one to amp Superman enough so he can ignore magic) would a)overload Nymrod's energy cells; b)blind the rest of your team (the Boy Blue's prep is illegal, it isn't his equipment and in comics he was punished for taking it without permission)- my team conviniently has healing factors (everyone but Alchemist but being a spellcaster he's immune).

Solar energy can be converted into electrical easily with a simple spell. What's interesting in the scan is the amouth of energy channeled. Unstable giant Nimrod suffering from 1000+ viruses invading into his system would be overloaded for sure.


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Old Post Sep 29th, 2008 07:00 PM
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Charlotte DeBel
White Queen of KMC

Gender: Female
Location: Belarus

The clarification of our lovely host on Boy Blue part of the prep

quote:

Charlotte DeBel wrote on Sep 29th, 2008 11:38 AM:
A quick question- a guy in comics has robbed the office of his boss and stole a bunch of equipment (he later was put under house arrest for doing that).
The equipment wasn't his and he was prosecuted for using it later. If the team claims repeating that theft in prep- wouldn't it violate "prep host's equipment only" rule?
After all, Boy Blue is just a gopher of Fabletown Major (Snow White) and was legally prosecuted for stealing that equipment in comics (I'll post issue numbers soon).

Not to mention his use of Genie violates "no independent constructs". Bringing a skyfather level spirit in fight is sure as hell illegal.


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Yes, that would be a violation of the rule since the equipment isn't Blue's (though he used it), and they specifically stated that they were drafting Blue sans the equipment.

The Genie is illegal as well (as I told Smurph on MSN).


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The intention was actually to not bring the genie into the fight, but to have him amp us.

I'm just remembering as I type this though that Scoob and Leo weren't allowed to summon S'ym... so I can understand if the genie isn't allowed. Not a big deal, he was an afterthought.

As for Blue, that's actually not illegal. Also not at all pertinent to the fight, but entirely legal, as I'll explain in my post.

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It's illegal Smurph. I already informed you of that on MSN the other night when you asked me...


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It's illegal Smurph. I already informed you of that on MSN the other night when you asked me...
The genie? Of course... when I talked to you about it, we presented it as a battle scenario, and you pointed out that even though it would be technically under my control, it would still be illegal because the way it went about it's given task would be completely independent of my will.

What I tried to do here was just use it to amp us during prep and leave it at the prep site... but as I was reading Charlotte's objections, I remembered that even simply summoning him would be illegal (as seen with Sym).

Honest mistake.

Blue, which we didn't discuss, isn't illegal... as I'll explain in my post.

Or in the discussion thread, if you prefer.

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K, so, I talked it over with Delph.

We don't see eye to eye. I don't think I was called on an existing rule, he was tired of my badgering so he ended with "No."

Anyways...

Enough on that. I'm not going to drag a wasted MSN convo on to KMC. Point being, judges, disregard all Blue-related prep, simply focus on how that was an afterthought to how much we can pwn them with Nimrod.

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Originally posted by illadelph12


1st minute. Omega Sentinel starts exchanging parts on nanolevel with New Genesis technology in Oracle’s possession, thus upgrading her CPU, internal modem, hard drive etc.

Established time to do that- 4 minutes.




So, to get this completely straight...

There's a scan of Karima removing parts of her highly complicated, adaptable body in order to serve as a piece of minor, human tech... and that leads you to believe that you can completely outfit your character in NEWGOD technology?

Karima's body has nanites that can serve any practical purpose... this means she can use her body parts in order to replace common, run of the mill tech around her. So the scan of her replacing the toaster (or whatever) makes sense.

But here? You're trying to replace her technology, which is a completely different ballgame.

You posted the wrong scan to show that Oracle still has the tech, but I assume you've got something...

That being said, she made a simple mask that took god knows how long to build out of tech that's apparently new god, in order to simply view a lexcorp satellite but not hack anything (which she might have been able to do on her own).

So you're going to, in 4 minutes gimmick who knows what amount of new god tech in order to fit your body, comply to all your programs (and not just reject the thing as a virus or something), in order to apparently create a huge amplification despite no major powers being shown in your scan.

Note that she wants to rip out Karima's central processor, modem and hard drive, and exchange it all with retooled new god tech in 4 minutes.

... lulz.


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Originally posted by illadelph12
Meanwhile, Oracle prepares two backup hard drives to be integrated into Karima’s systems lately. One of them contains every single virus found on DC Earth:
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1064422_scan0014/
lolz, and I assume she'll be able to download all this data in half a minute?
quote: (post)
Originally posted by illadelph12
She also prepares firewall to prevent possible backfiring of digital viral attack on our cybergoddess herself.
http://www.picamatic.com/view/10712...sofPrey111-015/
Nimrod >> guy with a laptop, who almost had her.

But good luck with that. I assume this will also take seconds?
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Originally posted by illadelph12
Another piece of software is decoder to ensure the stuff would run without problems on both DC- and Marvel-comparable systems.
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1091936_Hawkgirl_064-16/
That doesn't make sense. "Marvel programming" isn't a language that she has stored on her computer that will just automatically make everything compatible.

Nice try though.

I assume that making this program portable is also gonna take seconds?

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Originally posted by illadelph12
The second one is more interesting. For those who doesn’t know, Oracle owns the biggest database in DC universe… she has data on possibly anything- or almost anything. Including the data on the weaponry of multiple villains being captured by JLA.
She uses that data (plus information from Calculator) to identify that weaponry when it gets physically stolen by the lowly villains while all the "big fish" is busy during Salvation Run mini and then briefs the info to her spy, Infinity.
http://www.picamatic.com/view/10708...f_Prey_119-018/
http://www.picamatic.com/view/10709...f_Prey_119-019/
We then take a hard drive with the specs of all that exotic weaponry and prepare to plug it into Omega Sentinel’s systems, thus giving her entire arsenal of new weapons to create from her nanotechnology.
That all is getting collected in the 4 minutes Omega Sentinel upgrades her systems with New Genesis tech.
Scans of all this exotic weaponry?

Proof that she has the info?

ANYTHING, other than paragraphs of suppostion on your part and an apparent lead up to a storyline?

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Originally posted by illadelph12
2-3 minutes. Nyssa\Zachary and MM\Emma amalgamate.
Karima and Oracle continue pre-amalgamation prep work.

4 minutes. Oracle has finished collecting data on additional memory cards\hard drives.
lolz at these time frames.

Oracle will need months to work with the new god tech and god knows how long to download every single virus on earth. Plus the firewalls, info collecting and hard drive duplicating that you had her do.

She wouldn't finish this prep in months. Good thing you gave her 4-8 minutes.

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Originally posted by illadelph12
That done, we integrate both drivers in Karima’s systems (she should be ready with her upgrades now), and then Karima and Oracle amalgamate.
WTF? Proof that Karima can download all the viruses on earth into her system and NOT be harmed?

This also goes for her storage capacity, seeing as you're trying to unload huge amounts of data into her in seconds.

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Originally posted by illadelph12
5 minutes. Emeralda once again mindlinks Alchemist and Stu Clarke, this time we’re simply recreating standart Rampage suit and give it some tech-location sensors to navigate.
Then Alchemist, using his own memory he got when teaming up with Robin and Ravager, magically recreates Ravager's energy sabers.
http://www.picamatic.com/view/10713..._Titans_057-17/
http://www.picamatic.com/view/10713..._Titans_057-18/
http://www.picamatic.com/view/10714..._Titans_057-19/
They share the same properties as Persuader’s famous atomic axe except being unable to cut organics. What’s more- crossing those sabers creates potent energy shield. We create 6 of them.
Proof that Zachary's matter manip can be that precise and that he could make this off of memory?

You'll probably end up with some vague, crappy lightsaber rip offs.


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Originally posted by illadelph12
Alchemist then uses his magic and knowledge to charge the sabers with Lazarus Pit energy, making ‘em able to destroy undeads and repel magic on contact.
http://www.picamatic.com/view/10036...led-Scanned-09/


I have no idea what that scan is supposed to prove...

But when has Zachary ever controlled LAZARUS PITS? You're simply tossing out extra powers and hoping that Zatara can make them work... I'd like to see something on the level of imbuing something with that level of energy.


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Originally posted by illadelph12
6 minutes. Saraswati amalgam is created. What she does first is establishing anti-virus filters to ensure the safety of the things we'll be doing later on, as well as establishing decoders and filters to adjust DC software to her own operational system (which happens to be the same as Nimrod’s).
This alone would take your entire prep.

Anti virus for every single virus on earth?

Decoders to try and change an operating system to match that of a completely different universe that she has NO basis to compare to?

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Originally posted by illadelph12
She grows 2 extra arms to wield 4 swords instead of 2. The next thing she does is covering herself in shiny, organic diamond epidermal exoskeletons.
I trust that wielding 4 swords is exactly the same as wielding 2?


quote: (post)
Originally posted by illadelph12
Recently on multiple occasions it was shown that Emma can turn only her body parts diamond while still having access to her TP.

Skin turned diamond, feels no pain, uses TP.
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Where was it stated in that arc (Astonishing) that Emma was just using diamond skin?

I can tell you in advance- it wasn't.

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Originally posted by illadelph12
Apart from defensive, there’s some interesting thing about said exoskeleton in terms of offence. In fact, such thing not only won’t hinder Emeralda’s telepathic powers, but amplify it.
http://img282.imageshack.us/my.php?...11roughexc5.jpg
http://img338.imageshack.us/my.php?...12rougheub5.jpg


All that you did was give yourself some diamond armor. You didn't create an armor that came from Emma's DNA and was linked to her central nervous system.

Nice try though.


quote: (post)
Originally posted by illadelph12
We also establish camouflage, invisibility\intangibility and cloaking holograms- just like in our previous matches.
Should we add this on to the months of prep time you've already spent?


Summary

Charlotte's attempted to hijack and revamp some Newgod technology, download every virus on earth as well as every protection for it, create firewalls from scratch powerful enough to block out Nimrod, turn Oracle's entire database into portable harddrives, and then DL all that data into one character.

On top of that she wants to share all mental experience among her team, create incredible sci-fi weapons from scratch and imbue them with incredibly rare energy from scratch.

Also make diamond armor that's identical to Emma's DNA and some other computer mojo.

A conservative estimate for how long this would take would be a few months (and that'd be retooling the Newgod tech alone).

And she's attempting to do this in 10 minutes.

We'll move on to destroying her battle plan later, but the ironic bit is that even if her whole plan worked out, we'd still win since our plan is proven (unlike hers), and is much more devastating.

Game, set, etc.

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Tearing through the BS claims


Smurph is acting the way smurphs always act- picking up a bunch of random claims and posing them as issues.

Let's f*cking get to it, people.

quote:


There's a scan of Karima removing parts of her highly complicated, adaptable body in order to serve as a piece of minor, human tech... and that leads you to believe that you can completely outfit your character in NEWGOD technology?

Karima's body has nanites that can serve any practical purpose... this means she can use her body parts in order to replace common, run of the mill tech around her. So the scan of her replacing the toaster (or whatever) makes sense.

But here? You're trying to replace her technology, which is a completely different ballgame.

You posted the wrong scan to show that Oracle still has the tech, but I assume you've got something...

That being said, she made a simple mask that took god knows how long to build out of tech that's apparently new god, in order to simply view a lexcorp satellite but not hack anything (which she might have been able to do on her own).

So you're going to, in 4 minutes gimmick who knows what amount of new god tech in order to fit your body, comply to all your programs (and not just reject the thing as a virus or something), in order to apparently create a huge amplification despite no major powers being shown in your scan.

Note that she wants to rip out Karima's central processor, modem and hard drive, and exchange it all with retooled new god tech in 4 minutes.


Wrong scan? Darling, don't get horribly ridiculous.

If you want to go with more recent examples, you'll get it- Trinity #13. Her workstation is shown as being the SAME (or at least looking the same) Brainiac adresses in the scan I've posted.
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1106100_Trinity13p15-16/

Those "unsignificant sattelites" were far more advanced than anything Nimrod has ever hacked. Forge's tech protected by lamest password ever=\=great tecnopathical feat.

Karima has interacted with tech I'd hardly call "run on the mill"- how'bout TIME STASIS technology?
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1106103_X-Men_#197_005/

As advanced as a toaster? Lulz at Smurph. That's Cable's tech and Children of Vault tech (roughly the analogue of New Genesis tech as Cable is using Shi'ar and Celestial tech)- borrowing a piece of tech here and there won't be too timeconsuming especially since the process was done twice in two previous rounds.

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lolz, and I assume she'll be able to download all this data in half a minute?


The database with samples is there. That and a couple of claims below are horribly meaningless and based on a bunch of wrong assumptions about how computer viruses work.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comput...tion_strategies

A virus must be executed to work. As long as it's left untouched (Saraswati isn't retarded to execute viruses in her own system), it's totally harmless. As I've said, we're bringing a couple of external hard drives in there.

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Nimrod >> guy with a laptop, who almost had her.

But good luck with that. I assume this will also take seconds?


The "dude with laptop" has better technopathic feats than Nimrod is. I've posted the scan out of context and I'm sorry for that. Hate quoting my own posts, but...

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Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel

His another claim to fame against the virus attack of ours is that he seemingly was able to adjust his programming to timeline shifting. That's myth and let's bust that.
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1098859___hr_Page_40/
What he does there is comparing two data streams to map and locate a person in timestream. That helps to defend against viruses how?
http://www.picamatic.com/view/10987...of_Prey_030-07/
Here Oracle does just the same Nimrod does in that scan of yours. Tracking Black Canary in the timestream following her signature (broadcasting frequency in that case).

Reed's smarts won't help as well, as Barbara is as capable as a hacker\technopath can be without getting actual superpowers. Here she's trashing Brainiac, a dude who's smarter than Reed.
http://www.picamatic.com/view/987695_page18/

Planetary level computer attack gets treated as if it were some joke.
http://www.picamatic.com/view/10707...wn_038_page_08/
http://www.picamatic.com/view/10707...wn_038_page_11/
http://www.picamatic.com/view/10707...wn_038_page_20/


The global virus attack was executed by said "dude with laptop". He also managed to save samples of viruses Oracle infected into his systems and send it back to her. So in that scan she does what you claim would happen- deflects her OWN viral attack backfiring.
http://www.picamatic.com/view/10711...sofPrey111-014/
http://www.picamatic.com/view/10712...sofPrey111-015/

As for gathering the software that's already there- I believe that it's utterly possible in 4 minutes.

quote:
WTF? Proof that Karima can download all the viruses on earth into her system and NOT be harmed?

This also goes for her storage capacity, seeing as you're trying to unload huge amounts of data into her in seconds.


We're using EXTERNAL hard drive- one of multiple ones in Oracle's sytstems. The viral package isn't on main hard drive but on one of two secondary ones we're bringing in the battle (one containing viruses and another one- specs on weaponry). Have you ever connected the HD from another computer to your own?
Cause Karima did:
http://www.picamatic.com/view/98702...y-Megan)_pg012/

As for "not backfiring"- there's a protective firewall established. Also a much lesser cyberpath than Karima- Sasha Bordeaux- managed to do that just fine.

Touching the emulators' thingy- Karima Shapandar and Sasha Bordeaux have one thing in common- just like Sasha worked under the same OS as Brother Eye, Karima, being Omega Sentinel, has the same OS as Nimrod.

One of pecularities of that OS is interferring with lesser operational systems just fine. It has no problems understanding documents made under Windows OS for example.
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1106294_Excalibur08-09/

So decoder might not even be necessary and frankly speaking is a non-issue (which Smurph, as usually, is trying to present as an issue while his own plan is sufferning from all kinds of disorders I'll present later). The viruses would be delievered just fine without it. And since Nimrod wasn't that great in technopathic part (I've adressed it a bit above), they'll work just fine. Moving on.

Since we've touched one of those external HDs, I'd also adress the one I've talked about in part of my prep regarding weaponry.
http://www.picamatic.com/view/11063...sofPrey111-008/
There are multiple hard drives present. The one Calculator tried to get from Mr Cross was one of them.

The data on weaponry I've adressed was used to instruct and guide Oracle's private spy, Infinity, in search of real deals.
http://www.picamatic.com/view/10709...zy-Megan)_pg09/

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Proof that Zachary's matter manip can be that precise and that he could make this off of memory?

You'll probably end up with some vague, crappy lightsaber rip offs.


Speaking of complex matter manip... creating perfectly real living animals from thin air isn't complicated enough for you (given that living beings isn't Zach's cup of tea)?
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1091832_controlspigeons/
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1088164_randommagic/


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Now to Emeralda. I frankly don't get WTF Smurph is talking about here:
quote: (post)
Originally posted by illadelph12

The next thing she does is covering herself in shiny, organic diamond epidermal exoskeletons.

Recently on multiple occasions it was shown that Emma can turn only her body parts diamond while still having access to her TP.

http://img227.imageshack.us/my.php?...dcp00025jj7.jpg
Only eyes turned diamond, uses TP.

The telepathy would work just fine and diamond epidermis will give the protection from the thing Martians fear the most- flames.
http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gx3_JkvA
http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gx3_JBYA

Apart from defensive, there’s some interesting thing about said exoskeleton in terms of offence. In fact, such thing not only won’t hinder Emeralda’s telepathic powers, but amplify it.
http://img282.imageshack.us/my.php?...11roughexc5.jpg
http://img338.imageshack.us/my.php?...12rougheub5.jpg

Said exoskeleton focuses and amplifies Emeralda’s psionic energy and focuses\absorbs ambient one. One of ambient sourses being Vector (a telekinetic), whom you guys sure would intend to use to his limits.



What we're doing here is turning diamond just partially (like in that scan with eyes). In that case- only skin (epidermis) is touched. Then we use Martian shapeshifting to shed it, forming dermal exoskeleton, which is OBVIOUSLY based on Emma's DNA (her powers, at least), being simply a layer of her freakin' skin. Martian shapeshifting allows for FAR MORE complex things than siply detaching a layer of skin, forming exoskeleton. It's not some imaginary "random diamond armour"- just a layer of skin, turned diamond with Emma's powers and detached using Miss Martian's.

http://www.picamatic.com/view/993177_12/
http://www.picamatic.com/view/993166_07/

As for your claim that it was stated nowhere- since when obvious things have to be stated? The way diamond form works the transformation should be partial for TP to work. It's called logic in case you're infamiliar with that.

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Should we add this on to the months of prep time you've already spent?


Silient Smurph is smart Smurph.

So, you're asking proof for Miss Martian turning invisible\intangible, Omega Sentinel creating interactive holograms and Zachary Zatara putting camouflage spell on his clothes?

Well...
Interactive holograms (one can be pretty easily projected over Karima)
http://www.picamatic.com/view/998432_Excalibur_09_-_19/

Martian invisibility\intangibility
http://www.picamatic.com/view/88232..._048_-_page_16/

Camouflage spell on clothes (posing as Robin).
http://www.picamatic.com/view/988718_AA-Robin166-008/
http://www.picamatic.com/view/769466_AA-Robin166-009/

That's with it.

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we'd still win since our plan is proven (unlike hers)


Stop being that overconfident and prepare for your punishment in the next post, darling.


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Punishment for overconfident Smurphs


quote: (post)
Originally posted by illadelph12
Deus Ex Machina (Blair/Smurph)


Prep

Team:

Prodigy (Reed/Hank/Nimrod/Vector)
Boy Blue
Black Widow II


Meanwhile, Nimrod completely assimilates all of Reed’s info, immediately after all four combine to create the amalgam Prodigy.

Nimrod will then morph his body, as he is capable of turning his body into any machine he wants.

I’ll get to what he’s morphing to in a bit…

But immediately before the battle, Blue uses the witching cloak to transport everybody outside.

Nimrod immediately morphs his body in order to duplicate the:

Sonic Shark
http://img127.imageshack.us/img127/...our07214re4.jpg
http://img386.imageshack.us/img386/...our07216zv1.jpg
http://img129.imageshack.us/img129/...our07218tf8.jpg
http://img264.imageshack.us/img264/...our07219do5.jpg

Class 4 Disintegrator

And

Electronic Converter

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We’ll also get ready to make an omnidirectional broadcast of both the

Ultra-high frequency sonics
http://img338.imageshack.us/my.php?...94page17ah6.jpg

And the Synapse Dislocuter
http://img395.imageshack.us/my.php?...94page19sy3.jpg

Does this seem like a lot?

Probably.

But consider that, as Kitty points out, Nimrod can instantly make any tech he wants… and all the tech we’re trying to make here, Nimrod has made in the past with his powers or Reed has made… and Nimrod now has all of Reed’s knowledge, plus he’s amalgamated with the guy.

Reed, with Nimrod’s computer brain, can also recall any details instantly, so this should all be cake.

Before they go, Prodigy grows to 200 feet.



Let's start it in order. "Every mashine he wants"- scans or it never happened? All we saw is pre-established measures against certain mutant signatures+uneducated guess from Kitty Pryde who saw Nimrod for the 1st time and seriously thought it was some dude in armour:
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1102018___hr_Page_17/
An uneducated guess from impressed 14-years old who was mostly dealing with one-trick ponies and was shown more bells and whistles than regular mutant powerset include- very "solid" proof.

Growing huge also won't cut it- as increased mass actually WEAKENS Nimrod, and most of Reed Richards' stuff you're claiming for him to built is REALLY energy-consuming.
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1099096_massweakness/
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1099097_massweakness2/

His attacks at giant size would actually most likely be weaker than in normal size.

And the last one. You claim him to use what? Like 8 attacks at once...when Nimrod's established weakness is UNABILITY to react on multiple powersets at once. That's why amalgams\tagteams were so effective against him. Observe.

Pwned by Kitty Pride+Colossus tag team:
http://www.picamatic.com/view/10991...209_(Large)-16/
http://www.picamatic.com/view/10991..._%5D(Large)-17/
http://www.picamatic.com/view/10991...209_(Large)-18/

Pwned by Rogue\Colossus\Nightcrawler amalgam
http://img225.imageshack.us/my.php?image=nimrod1te9.jpg

Pwned by tag team of Dust, Mercury and Surge
http://img501.imageshack.us/my.php?...men31016kc9.jpg
http://img232.imageshack.us/my.php?...men31018en8.jpg
http://img158.imageshack.us/my.php?...men31021jr7.jpg

All of that blatantly shows his unability to react on multiple targets\execute multiple attacks at once.

I've already adressed Vector's showings a couple posts above, and I only have to add one thing- Vector's powers are psionic and NOTHING in Prodigy amalgam allows to amplify psionic powers (telekinesis). That means that his attacks would be at same power level as in his normal size- building-destroying at best.
Emma's manipulation of raw psionic energy is sufficient to deal with Vector's best attacks- which I'll adress a bit above.

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Summary:

They use a character that can't stand rapid mass increases to grow giant claiming it would power him up.

They use physical powers to somehow power up psionically based character (Vector)

They use claim from impressed girl not knowing WTF is Nimrod to prove him creating and using multiple pieces of sophisticated weaponry at once, when it was established as his WEAKNESS being unable to react on multiple targets\signatures at once.

"He'll evolve" not going to cut it. If he failed to evolve during his entire history, why he would suddenly do that now?


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Amazing debunking continues


Once we've found that growing huge in no way amplifies Nimrod's power output (mass increase weakens and damages him)... HOW THE HELL YOU GUYS ARE GOING TO USE NIMROD TO CREATE TECH>>>>>TECHNOLOGY CAP FOR THE TOURNEY?

All that "Sonic Shark" stuff and specifically that thing:

http://s160.photobucket.com/albums/...hardstech-1.jpg

Can destroy a moon means>>>>>>Iron Man level tech, and more likely >>> Nimrod's power output (not increasing with the size).

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Originally posted by illadelph12
Yes. Basically, for example, if I had, say, Cyborg, and I could create a machine that could amp his standard blaster power output, it would be allowed. However, if I created a super weapon and simply attached it to Cyborg, it would not be allowed.


That's what you're doing by having Nimrod to create a bunch of herald-busting\planet-busting technology...nice way around weaponry cap. Too bad it's leading to dead end- Nimrod's power level is not increasing with his mass- on the contrary, he has to draw more energy to support his increasing mass.
I'll post those scans once again to bury your so-called "prep".
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1099096_massweakness/
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1099097_massweakness2/

Omnidirectional broadcast of attacks with very small radius that were shown as beams? Never happened on panel and is unlikely to happen in a tourney.

One uneducated opinion of impressed child not knowing who Nimrod is is a weak ground to support your claim that contradicts every single appearance of Nimrod up to present day. Either he's capable on moon-busting power you claim for him in your prep and thus illegal, or your prep regarding that is illegal.

Leaving what? One overrated giant robot who can barely withstand his own weight vs three of my amalgams who can hurt him in multiple ways.

Truth hurts even Smurphs.


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quote: (post)
Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel

Wrong scan? Darling, don't get horribly ridiculous.
It doesn't show what you're referencing though... You're not providing context for ANYTHING that you post.

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Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
If you want to go with more recent examples, you'll get it- Trinity #13. Her workstation is shown as being the SAME (or at least looking the same) Brainiac adresses in the scan I've posted.
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1106100_Trinity13p15-16/
That's not an example of everything. She has some computers and some computer screens that look completely different from what you posted except for the basic layout...

THAT'S your proof that she still has New God tech?

The motherbox came. The motherbox left. Brainiac came. Brainiac left. The computer system changed...

And somehow this equates to her having New God technology?

lolz.

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Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
Those "unsignificant sattelites" were far more advanced than anything Nimrod has ever hacked.
Proof that the satellites were harder to hack than something that FORGE made?

Proof that she hacked the satellites?

Proof that she has technology that's compatible with a different character from a different universe? That it's something that Karima can just "plug in" in replacement of her CORE PROCESSOR, MODEM AND HARD DRIVE (as you claimed she would be replacing)?

You'll rip out Karima's CPU, realize that there isn't something that you can simply plug inside of her, and then be down by one character.

Thanks for doing our work for us.


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Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
Karima has interacted with tech I'd hardly call "run on the mill"- how'bout TIME STASIS technology?
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1106103_X-Men_#197_005/
Where in there does she show that she could simply take the time stasis tech and replace her CPU with it?

Even going off of the assumption that you HAVE the tech (which is unsupported), believing that you have ENOUGH of the tech (which is a complete leap of faith), actually humoring the belief that you can even interact with the tech (it's from a different planet from a different universe from a partially different timeline...)...

How on earth are you just going to replace your hard drive, modem and computer processor with this technology?

LOL.

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Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
The database with samples is there. That and a couple of claims below are horribly meaningless and based on a bunch of wrong assumptions about how computer viruses work.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comput...tion_strategies

A virus must be executed to work. As long as it's left untouched (Saraswati isn't retarded to execute viruses in her own system), it's totally harmless. As I've said, we're bringing a couple of external hard drives in there.


A virus must be executed to work. As long as it's left untouched (Nimrod isn't retarded to execute viruses in his own system), it's totally harmless.

Funny how that works.

You just proved that Nimrod will be totally unaffected by your viruses, even if you can download them into him, even if you can get in contact with him, even if you manage to contact him before we obliterate you...

Thanks though.

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Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
The global virus attack was executed by said "dude with laptop". He also managed to save samples of viruses Oracle infected into his systems and send it back to her. So in that scan she does what you claim would happen- deflects her OWN viral attack backfiring.
http://www.picamatic.com/view/10711...sofPrey111-014/
http://www.picamatic.com/view/10712...sofPrey111-015/


Thanks for proving that countering the viruses would be cake.

Not that we'd be infected or anything, but I'm glad that you can take the time to show your own double standards so that we can continue to show how full of holes your plan really is.

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Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
As for gathering the software that's already there- I believe that it's utterly possible in 4 minutes.
You're trying to download pretty much the entire content of Oracle's computer system into portable hard drives in 4 minutes.

Good luck.

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Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
We're using EXTERNAL hard drive- one of multiple ones in Oracle's sytstems. The viral package isn't on main hard drive but on one of two secondary ones we're bringing in the battle (one containing viruses and another one- specs on weaponry). Have you ever connected the HD from another computer to your own?
Cause Karima did:
http://www.picamatic.com/view/98702...y-Megan)_pg012/
Karima won't have a hard drive to connect to once it's lying on the floor while you try to find the "connect here" slot on some non existent New God's tech.

And she needed to disconnect all her internal mainframe to connect, as shown in that scan, as commented on by Lady Mastermind.

I assume you'll be doing this mid battle, yes?

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Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
One of pecularities of that OS is interferring with lesser operational systems just fine. It has no problems understanding documents made under Windows OS for example.
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1106294_Excalibur08-09/
And yet you're trying to use proof of the OS connecting to lesser tech as proof that Newgod technology could be hooked up in minutes...



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Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
Speaking of complex matter manip... creating perfectly real living animals from thin air isn't complicated enough for you (given that living beings isn't Zach's cup of tea)?
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1091832_controlspigeons/
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1088164_randommagic/
Making some super advanced, comic-science, cut-through-anything sabers >> making some rabbits.

Summary


She's trying to hijack some nonexistent Newgod technology and replace her character's CPU, hard drive and modem with it. In 4 minutes. NEWGOD TECH.

lolz.

She's trying to DL Oracle's entire computer database into some portable hard drives in a couple minutes.

lolz.

She's trying to download EVERY SINGLE VIRUS ON EARTH onto some hard drives in a couple minutes.



She's trying to establish a weapons database, super advanced firewalls, anti-virus programs, and make some pseudo-science lightsabers from scratch on top of all of this.

She has 8 minutes.

... Good luck?

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I'm going to go Character by Character on our side as to why all her claims...well suck. no expression

Nimrod

First off our technological wonder smile

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Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
Now to what you're doing with Nimrod.
Growing to 200 ft? Huh? Contrary to what you're trying to state, gigantic Nimrod would be suffering from all kinds of troubles.
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1099096_massweakness/
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1099097_massweakness2/

When his mass increases, he needs to draw all his energy just to compensate for damage- how the hell that translates into becoming stronger while growing bigger? Dude can't withstand his mass increasing.

Also note that attack was INTERNAL, not EXTERNAL... so showings of EXTERNAL durability or Vector's powers won't help you there.


Are...you serious? confused Pym particles allow anything to grow proportionally. You are using a mass/weight increasing attack, where atoms just become more heavy, then actually growing to compensate. It is NOT the same thing. Besides, you get all strengths in an amalgamation smile

Most ill concocted attack I've ever heard of.

You see, Pym particles also increase energy proportionately as well as mass. In those scans, only mass is being increased, so Nimrod has to direct all of his energy to simply keeping himself up.

It's like a 60 foot human vs. a human that simply weighs as much as a 60 foot human would.

The 60 foot human has proportionate energy reserves to keep himself up as easily as if he were 5 feet tall with proportionate energy reserves.

On the other hand, the normal sized human that simply has increased weight doesn't have the increased energy reserves, so he has to spend all his energy keeping himself aloft.

Exact same scenario.

We KNOW that growing via pym particles increases energy reserves, because Hank can walk once grown as easily as he could prior to growing.

quote:

Now... to using Kitty's comment as proof that Nimrod can actually create a bunch of sophisticated stuff from scratch. Let's adress that scan the claim originated from:

To sum up the 1st part- huge Nimrod is horribly unstable tech, the only proof for you he can replicate Richards-level tech from scratch is uneducated claim from teenage girl who saw Nimrod for the 1st time


Nimrod has adapted to attacks based on super powers all throughout his career. Its his classic thing to do: adapting...adapting. He can adapt to anything, change shape (he has shapeshifted), and on top of that he has complete molecular control:
http://img513.imageshack.us/my.php?...94page21mf5.jpg

ALSO, keep in mind that being that Nimrod can do such things, and now REED RICHARDS is in the mind department, do you REALLY think for one single SECOND that Nimrod cannot be all that he can be? laughing Reed Richards = Smartest man in comics. Which also gives credence to when I say: WHY IN THE HELL WOULD WE OPEN YOUR VIRUSES? laughing you say:

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A virus must be executed to work. As long as it's left untouched (Saraswati isn't retarded to execute viruses in her own system), it's totally harmless.


Thank you for that, it made it easier to convince judges of the absolute truth. (if you could ever even do all the prep you have laughing out loud )

Lets keep on with Nimrod, and show something that I think should take some steam outta your sails:
http://img89.imageshack.us/my.php?i...men02505da9.jpg

That is Nimrod tech used to stop Psi powers. Mixed with Reed's brain, that can be converted into a total PSI power stop (except our own), meaning you would have no TP or fake TK. Also, you are using scans that are not canon (I swear you used "The End" scans). So in the end? No Psi powers for you.

Anyways, thanks to Nimrods ability to shapeshift and adapt his personal weaponry we will have the weaponry we want. Why is that? Because we are not creating weapons then simply adding them to him, he IS the weapon. We amped up our CHARACTER. No tech rule applied smile. Btw, all that weaponry? It would totally pwn you into next year.

That brings us to Vector

I am not sure you understand the concept of amalgamation. Vectors powers are now a part of Nimrods systems, and Nimrod can do full omni directional attacks. I've proven this in scans before. Therefore, Vectors full force repelling blast will be omni directionally distributed.

Also, no one was claiming that Vector would protect against TP, Nimrod did that for us. (as a sidenote, charlotte sucks at interpreting scans...that Leader scan? Is she serious? He did nothing). He is our pure offensive force.

Lets move on to Reed

He brings something interesting to the table: We have a giant Nimrod who can STRETCH. Think about that. We can get even BIGGER than before. Plus with Reed's smarts, anything we want to do is possible. Show me an instance where Reed cannot do something (besides turning Ben into a human), and I'll show you 20 where he does.

Face it, Reed>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Oracle in EVERY single way.

Offensive Measures
Our strategy is very simple: Offensively obliterate the other team out of existence. We have done so very very elegantly to say the least.

In the End? We win. Game, set, match.

Shuffle a new deck, dealer.


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Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
Charlotte's post #7
Amazing debunking continues


Once we've found that growing huge in no way amplifies Nimrod's power output (mass increase weakens and damages him)... HOW THE HELL YOU GUYS ARE GOING TO USE NIMROD TO CREATE TECH>>>>>TECHNOLOGY CAP FOR THE TOURNEY?

All that "Sonic Shark" stuff and specifically that thing:

http://s160.photobucket.com/albums/...hardstech-1.jpg

Can destroy a moon means>>>>>>Iron Man level tech, and more likely >>> Nimrod's power output (not increasing with the size).


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illadelph12 wrote on Oct 2nd, 2008 06:27 PM:
Having Nimrod morph into the weaponry is legal. If you'd created it during prep and attached it to him it would be illegal. If he has the ability to change himself into the devices it's fair game...

So then...

It's been cleared that us making all of Reed's devices is entirely legal, as much as you need it to be otherwise.

Moving on...


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Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
That's what you're doing by having Nimrod to create a bunch of herald-busting\planet-busting technology...nice way around weaponry cap. Too bad it's leading to dead end- Nimrod's power level is not increasing with his mass- on the contrary, he has to draw more energy to support his increasing mass.
I'll post those scans once again to bury your so-called "prep".
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1099096_massweakness/
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1099097_massweakness2/

I'm glad that you admit that the attacks are herald busting and planet busting.

As for those scans...

Most ill concocted attack I've ever heard of.

You see, Pym particles also increase energy proportionately as well as mass. In those scans, only mass is being increased, so Nimrod has to direct all of his energy to simply keeping himself up.

It's like a 60 foot human vs. a human that simply weighs as much as a 60 foot human would.

The 60 foot human has proportionate energy reserves to keep himself up as easily as if he were 5 feet tall with proportionate energy reserves.

On the other hand, the normal sized human that simply has increased weight doesn't have the increased energy reserves, so he has to spend all his energy keeping himself aloft.

Exact same scenario.

We KNOW that growing via pym particles increases energy reserves, because Hank can walk once grown as easily as he could prior to growing.


All human energy is amplified. Mechanical energy is amplified. Chemical energy is amplified. Potential energy is amplified.

So Nimrod's energy reserves become that much more powerful.

We make the Sonic Shark- a missile that took out the Silver Surfer, and rape you with it.

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Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
Omnidirectional broadcast of attacks with very small radius that were shown as beams? Never happened on panel and is unlikely to happen in a tourney.
Vector can only generate energy from his hands, but Nimrod's shown to be able to direct any energy he needs out of his entire body.

Complete amalgamation


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Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
One uneducated opinion of impressed child not knowing who Nimrod is is a weak ground to support your claim that contradicts every single appearance of Nimrod up to present day. Either he's capable on moon-busting power you claim for him in your prep and thus illegal, or your prep regarding that is illegal.


Did you not see him easily switch from one beam attack and develop a particle beam in between panels?

He can make new attacks that instantly- he can adapt to teleporters, phasers, the Juggernaut instantly... we have whole minutes to make tech that he already has the schematics for, in his head.

And on his own, he's not shown moon-busting power. But he can when Hank exponentially grows his energy reserves.

Checkmate.


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Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
Leaving what? One overrated giant robot who can barely withstand his own weight vs three of my amalgams who can hurt him in multiple ways.
Who is going to hurt us from your team anyways?

We have Reed's durability with Nimrod's durability with Nimrod's adapting with Nimrod's healing...

Nimrod put together his entire body in one panel. And then he left, probably due to having a much smaller mass now... but we have him amalgamated with Hank, who can multiply any mass (or energy reserve)... so we can infinite heal.


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We have schematics for a missile that took out the Silver Surfer.

An energy weapon that overpowered Magneto.

A cannon capable of blowing up a small moon (when small sized... we'll have a bigger version).

Nimrod himself has insta-developed weapons that made the Juggernaut look like Rhino.

Our method of creating these weapons is entirely legal.
Our method of gaining the necessary power is entirely possible, and proven by every time that Hank has grown.
We have the schematics DL'd into Nimrod, and we have a brain that is Nimrod+Reed Richards... we can make these instantly.

We'll be reposting all the references that I made in this post later... his adapting, his healing, etc.

We have a battle plan that takes out Charlotte instantly while she's trying to establish contact with Nimrod and DL some viruses into him...

We've already blown her team to kingdom come.

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In the end, we win based on the ability to do devastating damage. It is our immediate offense, in all its varied ways, that wins us this match. We are a giant arsenal of weaponry with our missile that took out the Silver Surfer, our energy weapon that overpowered Magneto, and a cannon capable of blowing up a small moon (when small sized... we'll have a bigger version).

Nimrod himself has insta-developed weapons that made the Juggernaut look like Rhino, and now imagine what he can do with our increased physical and mental capacities which are thanks to Reed. Reed gives us the ability to create these weapons, and beat you into next week.

Speaking in plain English, we demolish her team. Why? Partly because her plan sucks, and mostly because she has no defense for our incredible offense.

This is also because of the fact that she cannot read scans correctly, so wrongly describes a scan for her own agenda. And I'm talking about falsifying them so much that certain events do not even take place in the scans she references.

As for her own offensive measures, we have Reed + Nimrod which gives us the smartest man in any room, and FUTURE technology. Her virus attack would be like Polio to someone with a vaccine for it. Plus, we would have to, as she said so politely, open the file (which we would not do).

Case in point? We win. Plain and simple. Like I said before:

Game, set, match.

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