Bane has displayed a planetary command of the Force at a point in time where he was far from as powerful as he would be by RoT, manipulated sub-atomic particles, displayed an alarming natural affinity for the lightsaber (becoming perfectly familiar with the hundreds of thousands of move and sequences that the saber staff has at its command, if not millions, and developing his own counters for them) that as far as we know has only been beaten by Ulic Qel-Droma and Nomi Sunrider, and on top of all of that, possesses the many advantages of the orbalisk armour, which also happens to grant him a somewhat unique form with the manner in which he can integrate his very body parts into his lightsaber form (which in itself is somewhat unique thanks to the hilt being hook shaped - which Luke can't be said to be familiar with) and also allows him to go on the offence to a far greater degree without sacrificing his defence. He's also displayed to be a far cleverer fighter for the most part, manipulating the environment to his advantage and basing his entire system of combat around the orbalisks, and appears to possess a far greater level of knowledge in the Force. Bane wins all 3, and #4 would be an absolute curbstomp.
Luke would take all three
sabers - would be a long fight but he could still do it he just needs to go for the head
force - all he needs to do is zap him with lightning and its done
all out - same as top
bane doesn't use defense at all so he would just charge right in lukes attacks
But seriously what suggests that Luke would take all three of these other than an appeal to popular concensus? I can admit that Luke may be the more powerful of the two, and probabaly is, but even that's slim, and I don't see how Luke competes in any of the other areas. And Bane possesses two distinct advantages over him in the form of the orbalisks (protection and healing factor) and unique fighting style.
orbalisks don't protect against Electric Judgment and the only thing unique about Bane's fighting style is his lightsaber everything else is pretty much the same style as luke
I'm going to ignore the 'theyz mites be teh zame pwr lvl @9000!!111" aspect of your post and focus in on what isn't pure fanboyism. Bane has a 'unique fighting style,' you claim. That may be true. What we know is that Luke has no fighting style. He does not use a classical form, never having had the chance to learn one. The best he could be classified as is a severely altered Djem So. (Mimicked from Vader.) The last time Bane was confronted with a fighting style he didn't know he was put on his ass in seconds.
So that is out. The protection is negated by Shatterpoint (which Luke knows) instantly revealing the weak points at the wrists and ankles/head. It might even show him how to dismantle the suit externally.
*You misspelled 'consensus.' Just thought you might like to know.
It's good for Bane that he's got his lightsaber and Force shield for that then. Realistically speaking, you'd have to be far more powerful than your opponent to be able to break through their defences with a tangible attack like lightning, as you'd have to break through their Force defences, the protection afforded by their lightsaber, and in Bane's case, the limited protection the orbalisks still provide (as it's noted that the orbalisks were still capable or resisting hundreds of thousands of volts of electricity). Luke is never shown to have been very masterful or controlled with the technique, and he's not significantly more powerful that he'd be able to break through all of Bane's defences.
And no, the manner in which he integrates melee attacks into his offence (which he can execute repeatedly without fear of losing body parts), and his body into his defence makes him a vastly unorthodox combatant. He can literally use his arms to parry lightsaber attacks, he can hold the blade of a lightsaber in place with his hands, he can constantly push Luke back with lethal kicks, he could literally trample Luke... Given enough creativity the possibilities are practically endless.
And as said, Luke hasn't displayed a level of superiority over Bane in Force powers that would grant him the ability to simply overpower his defences, and it's more likely to turn into a close combat fight in which case the orbalisks will factor in heavily.
It's good for Luke that he's got a lightsaber and Force powers too. Poor Bane, always being given a hard time by these people who can defend themselves.
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soo ur saying look would have to be very powerful to be able to use lightning with enough strength to break Bane's defences.
Luke has the Force potential of what his father was supposed to become so thats the force potential the Chosen One which would make him the most powerful jedi by a huge margin
There's no "may" about it. Luke has never come across a combatant even remotely similar to Darth Bane. He will be completely unprepared against such a fighter. The manner in which Bane fights is fundamentally unique.
Actually, Luke had plenty of opportunity to learn the classical forms from the holocrons he managed to gather as well as the Chunthor (the Jedi Archive transport). Could you provide proof for the assertion that his style is completely unique, other than the [false] assertion that he had no opportunity to learn the standard ones.
His ten year younger self, against a being with a mastery of the lightsaber lightyears more versatile and wide ranging than Luke's (he possessed high end mastery of all seven forms of the lightsaber: literally millions of moves and sequences at his disposal, all of which Bane was completely unfamiliar with).
The fact that you neglect to mention that the person who put him on his ass was Kas'im automatically renders this a one sided assessment fallacy, and could you provide proof that it was done in seconds? While Bane, by his own admission, was royally ****ed by that point, he still maintained enough control over the duel to direct it on a path of his choosing, all the way outside the temple.
No, all that tells Luke is where the weak spots are, it does nothing to undermine just how limited his options at harming Bane with a lightsaber still are, and it does nothing to undermine just how much more Bane can focus on the offence without leaving himself defensively vulnerable.
1. Orbalisks protect against lightsabers and maybe weak Force lightning. They do nothing about Force sever, TK, Morichorro, or any of Luke's various Mind F'ing powers that He's used in the past.
2. A kick is rarely lethal and I find it difficult to believe that Luke Skywalker will die to a Force Kick.
3. Luke will not be surprised by an opponent that is mostly saberproof- He has years against the Vong to get used to it. (Slayers)
4. Luke has shown to be far stronger in the Force than Bane. Bane moved a moon, but Luke has Dovin Bassals. (SP?)
-Note: Bane never moved a moon. The best feat he's got is the Temple, and Luke far eclipses that on his worst days.
1. Anything that's tangible and external that isn't millions of volts of electricity, and again, what is it with your "maybe"s? It's factually capable of absorbing hundreds of thousands of volts of lightning.
2. A force empowered kick from FRICKING (CAPS LOCK for added emphasis) Darth Bane can at the very least push or hold Luke back, if not disarm him or cause him a mild injury.
3. Last I checked the Vong didn't integrate their own protected body parts in quite the same manner that Darth Bane did. In terms of how they fight, they aren't even remotely similar.
4. Again, Bane displays a planetary command of the Force when he possesses the relative level of training time of a Jedi youngling. He's since vastly improved, and despite the multitude of sources Luke has appeared in, has actually displayed a more versatile and wider ranging mastery of the Force. The temple's far from Bane's best feats (one of the reasons why I rarely bring it up) and all you have to do is look through Gideon's posts to see how embarrassingly Luke can perform on his worst days.
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