I'll touch mangog....
Mangog was written stronger than most asgardians. Thor has had problems with mangog his entire history.... So it's not like spider v firelord
In fact Thor had to shove his hammer into mangogs mouth and godblast just to beat him cause a blast to the body was not doing it....
As for rulk.... They are buildi g him up pretty high... I think the pis has to do with the fact that surfer lovers. Me included felt as though rulk should not have had a chance.... So they explai. The loss as pis. I'm waiting on the whole story with rulk
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Thanks for answering: got a question, whats the difference between mangog and rulk because from what I have seen (brute strength, durability, speed, energy absorption) he is superior too mangog even without counting his feats.
I agree; I love surfer and I hated the fact that he lost but the way he lost was explainable and didnt show any kind of sign of pis.
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I'm half tempted to actually try and address these, but I'd rather just say it's largely subjective, even on the stuff people can agree on at times. Part of it is not whether the feat itself is PIS, it's whether there was jobbing.
Though, in Loeb's case, it's because he's a ****ing hack writer who should have been tossed out of the industry years ago. Him and Starlin.
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people just don't like the character, that's about all it boils down to.
Hulk's feats are too high for most peoples liking, the idea that this character who normally goes about running away from the military and/or smashing up mountains is stronger (and more innately powerful) than Gods (Thor et al), flying bricks (Gladiator et al) and assorted monsters (Onslaught, X-Men etc), only makes him that much more unpalateable... he doesn't have a majestic arc like say Surfer, where he's tangled up in the wonders of the universe and looking face to face with creator/destroyer types ... he doesn't bring to life a mythos like Thor does ... he just exists to be annoyingly - incredibly - powerful and without true purpose.
Hulk destroyed technology designed to ward off Celestials, that was dismissed as meaningless.
Hulk contained and then released (without any damage to himself) 2 universes of energy - which in anyother case would be taken to mean enduring a "Big Bang" - but that is totally ignored when talking of his stamina, durability and capacity to take punishment/energy attacks (ie, so and so should "overpower him", such and such an attack would "kill him" ...)
I just think the character lacks the kind of purposive stories that drag alot of the more fanatical crowd to comics. you can't really look up to Hulk, he's just a very human man, with Godlike (more in the league of Beyonder than Odin) power ... more afraid of what he could wrought than with bringing the universe to some superior order or defending the order that already exists (Thor and Surfer).
think about it, Beyonder says Hulk's power is like his own, in magnitute (infinite), Galactus can feed off of "The Old Power" and be sustained for a thousand years, yet The Old Power is miniscule in comparison to the power exhibited by a weaker Hulk ...
if you swapped Hulk's high-end feats with say, Thor's, everybody would think Thor was truly a Skyfather... not many would be upset at the ridiculousness of those powers - because they would have a narrative purpose...
Hulk's stories are more psychological than narrative focused... they're about coming to terms with yourself, with your capabilities and desires... in their totality and about the consequences of not doing so, imo.
The problem with Rulk is he was strolled over the other characters with extreme ease that bordered on offensive. Established characters like Thor were portrayed as complete idiots, even though they've been dealing with bricks like Rulk for decades. C'mon I mean Rulk uses Thor's hammer against him the first time he touches it. Thor has been using Mjolnir his entire comic existence, unless a story requires him to part with it. It's easy to see why fans of Comics started to blame Loeb when seeing some of their favoured characters getting crushed by this Hulk clone.
Plus he's tangling with characters he has no right messing with. Punching out the Watcher is the classic example. This is why Loeb pisses people off. Not only was Rulk trading blows with Hulk (one of Marvel's strongest characters) that issue but he had the time to skip off and knock over a vastly powerful cosmic being.
But you know all this Carver. You're just whining because you're a Hulk fanboy who can't handle the fact Hulk doesn't win every fight ever. And stop making these threads in the versus forum. That's twice now I think.