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Kain vs Dumah

Kain vs his physically most powerful 'son'.

There will be no conveniently placed Super Furnaces or any other external gimmickry to aid Kain. He only has his powers and the Soul Reaver.

Can Kain overcome Dumah at all? Dumah plainly says that Kain is not his equal (being trapped in the spectral realm for centuries and all). Unlike his older 'brother' Turel also claiming to be greater than Kain out of sheer blind arrogance, Dumah actually backs up his claim. Dumah is the most durable being in the soul reaver series. And probably the physically strongest as well.

Dumah laughed off at any offense Raziel could muster. Whether it be glyph magic or even the Soul Reaver's strikes/psychic blasts. (Compare that to Kain simply being hurt by Raziel's claws) Not to mention that like Raziel he existed even in the Spectral Plane, where he was completely invulnerable.



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Dumah ftw.

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It takes alot more than an amped up brick to beat Kain.

Dumah wasn't exactly the brimming picture of intelligence either, Kain would figure a way to get Dumah to defeat himself much like Raziel did.

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Dumah takes this, he's just plain better.


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How? Kain is superior in every aspect but durability.

Kain's magic, and the reaver more than make up for his physical disadvantage.

Kain beat the Elder God, who would slaughter Dumah 8 ways from Sunday.

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Dumah's better in every physical aspect, not just durability. He'll decapitate Kain.

Dumah shrugged off the reaver, too. [Effectively debunking it's omnipotence.. lol]


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Unlikely. He won't be able to do anything if Kain goes mist and sticks the Reaver through his heart. Or he can use that spell to exsanguinate every drop of blood from Dumah's body.

Dumah may be physically superior, but that's all, Kain has a 1,000 ways to dispatch Dumah easily.

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See my post, and the original post. Dumah /shrugged off the reaver./ Also, Kain can't attack in mist form, nice try.


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Him shrugging off the Reaver is a gameplay mechanic. He wouldn't be a very threatening boss if you could strike him down in one hit with the reaver now would he? I obviously don't mean he attacks in mist form. Kain could easily go mist and attack from behind, which Kain has been known to do.

You also failed to address my point about Kains magic. Nice try yourself.

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What's the matter? Can't think of anything, so your masking it by acting smug?

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Dumah waz only immune to teh reaverz becuz of game mechanix. Guess what, it didn't one shot other bosses.. The fact is, if Kain or Raziel can't actually peirce their enemy's skin, they can't steal their soul.

IE, if they didn't want the boss battle to be too easy, they could have made Dumah capable of being hurt by the reaver. Instead, they made a point of showimg Dumah as invulnerable.


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There was little indication that Dumah's skin was any thicker than normal. When you start the fight Dumah is sitting is his throne impailed through his heart, so his skin is obviously able to be pierced. Even if it wasn't Kain has all of his magic which he can use to dispatch Dumah.

Kain is the most powerful in his Vampire clan and is always given the best part of the Dark Gifts, Dumah isn't winning this.

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Dumah waz only immune to teh reaverz becuz of game mechanix. Guess what, it didn't one shot other bosses.. The fact is, if Kain or Raziel can't actually peirce their enemy's skin, they can't steal their soul.

IE, if they didn't want the boss battle to be too easy, they could have made Dumah capable of being hurt by the reaver. Instead, they made a point of showimg Dumah as invulnerable.
Raziel's reaver is intangible.


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And Dumah still shrugged it off? This suggests general resistance to soul powers, then.


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Raziel's Reaver isn't intagible, it's the Physical blade in energy form. If it was intangible it wouldn't do anything. Dumah was killed by fire, honestly Kain doesn't even need the Reaver in this fight...

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^If this is the case, and I believe it is, then yeah, the Reaver's of no help in this fight.

There are no convenient furnaces around in this match. See OP.


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So... Kain has been able to produce blasts of fire. No furnace nescessary. You've still yet to share with me how Dumah is going to survive a blood letting...

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To my knowledge Kain's never used such an attack on something like Dumah.

And if I remember right, he has pyrokenesis, not the ability to spontaneously create fire?


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He is pyrokinetic yes, but when you get the fire emblum, Kain is able to create large radial bursts of fire.

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That may come in handy, though I doubt it's an instant win.


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