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Batdude and Kahn's Match #1: Kris Blaze/KM vs. psycho gundam/Charlotte DeBel

Team Kris Blaze/KM

Shaman/Talisman II: KM
Beta Ray Bill: Kris Blaze
Captain Comet: Both

vs.

Team psycho gundam/Charlotte DeBel

GL Kyle Rayner: psycho gundam
Tangent Superman: Charlotte DeBel
Zatanna: Both

The battle will take place on Europa (a moon of Jupiter that has been modified to allow for a breathable environment).

Prep Time:
- Each team will have access to a "team lounge" measuring 15x15 meters with a couple of couches, satellite tv, refrigerator, washroom, and an assortment of snacks and drinks for 5 minutes prior to each fight where they can use their prep time. . No extending of that prep time via any means (ie speed force or time manipulation).

Here's a link to the rules of the tourney:

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f105/t522335.html

Judges:
Myself
Kahn
Illadelphia


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psycho gundam and Charlotte DeBel's opening prep/strategy post:

quote:

Charlotte DeBel wrote on Dec 28th, 2009 04:46 PM:
Prep
In the start of the prep time we have Kyle use his ring to create 5 extra rings (all get recharged using power battery). He keeps 2 extras to himself and gives the other two to Tangent Superman. One goes to Zatanna “just in case” opposition’s magician is attempting mass magic negation. Tangent Superman telepathically learns the Kyle’s experience with the rings from his mind, simultaneously mindlinking the team.

Then we’ll have Tangent Superman and Zatanna use telepathy and magic to do two things to Kyle’s mind- one is to have him enter trance-like state, focusing totally on combat, and another one is to make sure NOTHING but the telepathic messages from the other two enter their minds.

In that altered state of mind he starts creating constructs- he creates 5 semi-independent constructs of Daxamite Speedforcers (no GL rings, though, as that alone is taxing, luckily we have extra rings to use). Speed sharing then happens, giving everyone in our team the superspeed (including the perception of the world in superspeed).
Zatanna then casts the “reverse physical damage” spell on the constructs, making them reflect any physical damage done to them back on who did that…making them nice dummies for sadomasochistic practice. The opposing team being masochists.

Just before we enter the fight, we have Kyle and Harvey use the rings to surround the team (minus constructs) into airproof bubble-type shield. Zatanna casts a couple spells on the insides of the bubble- one makes sure no magic gets into the bubble from the outside, the other- for general purposes of the fresh air within the bubble. The bubble gets cloaked via telepathic illusions and light bending Invisible Woman-style, performed via rings.
The Daxamite speedster constructs will stay outside the bubble.

Battle
The first thing we do in the battle is locate the enemies via the ring AI, the supersenses of the Daxamite constructs, magic sences and telepathy. All our team operates on the superspeed, so that won't be difficult to do. Magical\psionic “null zones” also count as evidence.
The general knowledge of Shaman is that his primary “modus operandi” are either summoning or artifacts from his magic bag (the bagless spells are what’s outside general knowledge, just like Zee's blood magic\non-backwards casting). The first is banned and the second is time-consuming. That’s why, once Zatanna’s “magical vision” reveals us the general location of the Shaman, our Daxamites would try and KO him via speedblitz before he starts causing any troubles (remember, they’ve got basically the best protection from the physical damage you can get- they REFLECT it).
To make matters harder for poor Canuck, Zee sends out her astral projection to engage Shaman in astral mage-to-mage battle. Tangent Superman does the same to Cap Comet, with the goal to stalemate him in TP fight long enough to prevent him from using the other powers (and protect from two Daxamites trying to get him and beat him). When doing that, Tangent Superman also uses his GL rings to assist his psi-perception. The ultimate goal of that act is to prevent Shaman and Cap Comet from mantaining any conscious shielding on the team or to disrupt their concentration enough so the Daxamite speedforcers can get to them.
The fifth Daxamite is on Beta Ray Bill’s throat, nice Superman-level distraction for him.

Once Shaman is KOed physically, There’s no way for him to interfere in what’s going to happen to Billy the Alien Dude. And that’s… reversing to the human form via Zee’s spell (she was able to do the same to Dark Mary Marvel) and then getting KOed.


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Part II:

quote:

Charlotte DeBel wrote on Dec 28th, 2009 04:19 PM:
Reference scans

Kyle creates the Faux Lantern Corps (he does that in the altered state of mind, hence the need of trance/ “battle meditation”)

http://g.imagehost.org/view/0901/Circle_of_Fire_2_18
http://g.imagehost.org/view/0959/Circle_of_Fire_2_19
http://g.imagehost.org/view/0272/Circle_of_Fire_2_20
http://g.imagehost.org/view/0274/Circle_of_Fire_2_21
http://g.imagehost.org/view/0951/Circle_of_Fire_2_31

The feats of said Corps
Increased perception
http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/...nastynat6wg.jpg
Speed lending
http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/...offire02113.jpg
Lightspeed movement (and using of energy powers at the same time)
http://h.imagehost.org/view/0819/GL_AS-20NastyNat
http://h.imagehost.org/view/0552/GL_AS-21NastyNat
Daxamite powers (heat vision)
http://img92.imageshack.us/img92/68...rlcircleoff.jpg
http://h.imagehost.org/view/0860/GL_Power_Girl_1_08

Mind alteration\shielding
Tangent Superman mindcontrols GL John Stewart into giving him the ring (everyone familiar with basic principles of mind control can see that it shows his power and skill as a telepath)
http://img134.imageshack.us/i/smgl1jj8.jpg/
http://img126.imageshack.us/i/smgl2pc3.jpg/

Zatanna “denies access” of Martian Manhunter to the minds of his teammates (post mind wiping him)
http://img143.imageshack.us/i/jla115007ig7.jpg/

Altered perception (our stealth)
Tangent Superman hids a nuke from the sences of regular Superman
http://img232.imageshack.us/i/tange...nsreignvp0.jpg/
http://img232.imageshack.us/i/tange...nsreignrw9.jpg/

Zatanna is able to hide the League from Despero (trans tier telepath) via her magic
http://img150.imageshack.us/i/justi...merica1ap2.jpg/
http://img209.imageshack.us/i/zeechangeox8.png/

Transparency spell
http://img77.imageshack.us/i/advent...cs41925fp7.jpg/

Combat-relevant spells
Reversal damage spell
http://img6.imageshack.us/i/93794277.jpg/
http://img31.imageshack.us/i/52840627.jpg/

Astral projection (capable of affecting physical stuff AND spellcasting)
http://img215.imageshack.us/i/supergirlv10423ic7.jpg/
http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/...rlv10424vn9.jpg

Air conditioning spell (just in case)
http://img89.imageshack.us/i/changeairxy1.png/

Our senses
Tangent SuperMAN is full fledged clairvoyant
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/...os/tangent4.jpg

http://img263.imageshack.us/i/tangentjla11kj9.jpg/

Zatanna sees supernatural plane as her “second sight”
http://img150.imageshack.us/i/jla18001go5.jpg/
http://img139.imageshack.us/i/zeesavegq5.png/

http://img50.imageshack.us/i/zatanna106lw0.jpg/

Ring scanning capability
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v...n2/df81594b.jpg
That’s Hal, but the feat has more to do with weapon’s specs than with user’s capacity, so it’s applicable I think

Ring’s usefulness in mental combat
It can contain souls\spirits
http://h.imagehost.org/0448/JLA_73_pg19.jpg
http://h.imagehost.org/view/0236/JLA_73_pg20
http://a.imagehost.org/0142/JLA_73_pg21.jpg

Mind alteration
http://h.imagehost.org/0096/green_l..._v3_58_pg19.jpg
http://h.imagehost.org/0517/Green_L...v3_058_pg20.jpg

Magic negation from Zee
Against Amazo with the powers of Zatanna
http://img301.imageshack.us/i/17tf5.jpg/

Against Circe
http://img113.imageshack.us/i/jla10216fcmt6.jpg/
http://img158.imageshack.us/img158/...a10217fcuo3.jpg

Against Black Lantern John Zatara
http://img20.imageshack.us/i/80441538.jpg/

Reverses Dark Mary Marvel into the human form
http://img148.imageshack.us/i/racer...wn35p06lb2.jpg/
http://img136.imageshack.us/i/racer...wn35p08wa0.jpg/


(PS: Next time give me your opening posts in a form that I can just copy and paste. no expression)


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quote: (post)
Originally posted by batdude123
Part II:



(PS: Next time give me your opening posts in a form that I can just copy and paste. no expression)


Unofficial post: the original went to TheKahn. I assumed it will be him doing posting.


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Kris Blaze and KM's opening post part 1:

quote:

At the start of the prep, BRB will call upon his ship Skuttlebutt to assist them. Skuttlebutt can fly fast enough to keep up with the Surfer and should have no problems reaching Bill’s location in time. It is in my opinion as much standard equipment as his hammer. Bill has more showings WITH his ship than without it. This means that the Ship should be hovering outside their prep-area right away. However, I will allow the judges to decide and the prep I’m writing up now, will assume that it has to fly from Earth. Just in case the judges feel that it is not standard prep. I’ll start off with a quick rundown of this ship’s abilities. It is explained in the scan below:
http://i799.photobucket.com/albums/...breaker0210.jpg

Speed:
http://i799.photobucket.com/albums/...rbgh_02_005.jpg
(Not as fast as Norrin, but still fast)

http://i799.photobucket.com/albums/...r_V1337_p10.jpg
(Thor remarks that he needs to increase his speed a hundredfold)

http://i799.photobucket.com/albums/...r_V1337_p18.jpg (Reaches Earth pretty fast)

Technology:
http://i799.photobucket.com/albums/...l/brb_03_14.jpg
(It can decouple bill from his long-lived thing and power him up)

http://i799.photobucket.com/albums/...Bill/img004.jpg
(It has a force field which stops a tsunami)

http://i799.photobucket.com/albums/...breaker0212.jpg
(It can heal Bill from near-death in seconds)

http://i799.photobucket.com/albums/...l/brb_03_06.jpg
http://i799.photobucket.com/albums/...l/brb_03_09.jpg
(It can provide Bill with some awesome armour)

http://i799.photobucket.com/albums/...eaker504-05.jpg
(It has a cloaking device which it can project)

http://i799.photobucket.com/albums/...breaker0302.jpg
(It can also project illusions/holograms)

http://i799.photobucket.com/albums/...rbgh_02_011.jpg
(Has some fancy mines that halt the Surfer)

http://i799.photobucket.com/albums/...breaker0311.jpg
http://i799.photobucket.com/albums/...breaker0317.jpg
(Can release these small robots, that can self-repair and harm/annoy Stardust)

Skuttlebutt’s prep
There are two ways to go with this.

1) - It can cover the entire airspace with mines and then withdraw and keep up an instant feed with Bill. Since the two are interlinked, it can keep up surveillance on the opposing team and share that info with Bill. Since our team will be mind-linked, that info will be instantly shared among the other team-members as well.
2) - It can stay in the battle and set up a force field. This will help protect against any attempted attacks from the start. Furthermore it can equip one of the team-mates with the suit we saw BRB sport in God hunter, when he was without Stormbreaker. This is by no means an incredible armour, but it would add some degree of protection.

Beta Ray Bill’s prep
As soon as the preparation starts, Bill will call upon rain to cover the planet. Just so happens, the weather that Stormbreaker and Thor can command is no regular weather. It seems to be far stronger than it’s natural counterparts. The can also span an entire planet:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/...al_2001_p31.jpg
http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e...stery093-04.jpg
http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e...stery094-09.jpg

The remaining time is spent conversing with Stormbreaker. It had a very special relationship with the Odin force, having experienced the same things as Thor’s Mjolnir. Essentially, Bill should be capable of performing all of Thor’s older feats. Why? Because the hammer speaks to it. It told him of the time that Thor faced Galactus and the hammer recognized Galactus in his ”Korbinite” form. This should give him some more insight. http://i799.photobucket.com/albums/...breaker0118.jpg

By listening to Stormbreaker/The Odinforce, Bill will pick a couple of new ways to use his hammer. Basically he will learn new tactics from it, such as learning how to speed up someone’s healing process: http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e...vol-3_44_17.jpg
How to reverse magic: http://i799.photobucket.com/albums/.../magicblast.jpg

How to acquire some measure of control over the EMP spectrum:
http://i799.photobucket.com/albums/...ll/manetism.jpg

How to work a little magic on his own:
http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e...991__428_08.jpg

Shaman/Talisman II
To prevent anyone from potentially stealing the medicine pouch, Talisman during prep time would absorb the pouch into his body making it one with himself (*Shaman can still pull out any of his items by reaching into his stomach.1). So by reaching into his stomach Talisman casts several spells and summons several items, the first being a fog of invisibility making his teammates and himself invisible to the opposing team2 and casts the anti-flying spell that stops anything in mid-air3. Once the anti-flying spell is casted Talisman would summon the items “Dust from the Realm of Dreams” and a “handful of baubles” and throws them into the air freezing them in mid-air so they don’t hit the ground.(*This items will be further discussed during the initial attack). Finally Talisman II would cast shields around each member to protect them from external attacks (*Shaman shields have known to cover miles5).

Medicine Pouch:
Some might be wondering the extent of Shaman’s pouch and what he can do, but the answer is near limitless. Inside his pouch is the Void where he pulls out many of his items and spells and inside consists of millions of worlds, trillions of mystical spells and artifacts.
1. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v...t_v1_090_12.jpg
2. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v...t_v1_090_15.jpg

Captain Comet
During the prep time, Captain Comet who is one of DC’s strongest telepaths mind links with the entire time so they can coordinate each attack and by doing so creates mental defenses to eliminate any foreign mental attack on the team. His telepathy range has shown to reach 5 light years (1 light year=5,865,696,000,000 miles), so the opposing team wouldn’t be able to hide from Comet6 and he has mind-linked with 7 million people with ease7. So with his superior telepathy, which is a Class A8 in DC (highest ranking you can have) Comet’s range gives him and his team capabilities of probing the other team and learning what their attacks are and what their doing under prep. Finally Comet using his incredible telekinesis abilities creates shields around himself and his teammates. These shields have easily withstood attacks from Kyle Rayner9 as well as protect several teammates from attacks from the very powerful Synn10.

Green Lantern experience:
In addition Comet has extensive experience dealing with GLs he could share with his teammates. For instance he has one-shotted Hal Jordan
1. http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/...lains_02_05.jpg

Caused Sinestro's construct to attack himself
1. http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/...lains_05-16.jpg
2. http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/...lains_05-17.jpg

Defeats Power Ring and even mentions his willpower is stronger then his
1. http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/.../SSOSV14-15.jpg
2. http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/.../SSOSV14-16.jpg

Uses Power Rings power battery
1. http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/.../SSOSV14-17.jpg

Comet has shown to mind Green Lanterns, L.E.G.I.O.N and Darkstar forces into one and gives them their plan of attack.
1. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/...rinity_2_09.jpg
2. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/...rinity_2_10.jpg


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quote: (post)
Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
Unofficial post: the original went to TheKahn. I assumed it will be him doing posting.


Next time, please give us the same pm.


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Two more judges will be added to the list for this match:

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Unofficial post: but why is psycho gundam and Charlotte DeBel's opening prep/strategy post attacking us during their prep?


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quote: (post)
Originally posted by -K-M-
Unofficial post: but why is psycho gundam and Charlotte DeBel's opening prep/strategy post attacking us during their prep?


Prep
In the start of the prep time we have Kyle use his ring to create 5 extra rings (all get recharged using power battery). He keeps 2 extras to himself and gives the other two to Tangent Superman. One goes to Zatanna “just in case” opposition’s magician is attempting mass magic negation. Tangent Superman telepathically learns the Kyle’s experience with the rings from his mind, simultaneously mindlinking the team.

Then we’ll have Tangent Superman and Zatanna use telepathy and magic to do two things to Kyle’s mind- one is to have him enter trance-like state, focusing totally on combat, and another one is to make sure NOTHING but the telepathic messages from the other two enter their minds.

In that altered state of mind he starts creating constructs- he creates 5 semi-independent constructs of Daxamite Speedforcers (no GL rings, though, as that alone is taxing, luckily we have extra rings to use). Speed sharing then happens, giving everyone in our team the superspeed (including the perception of the world in superspeed).
Zatanna then casts the “reverse physical damage” spell on the constructs, making them reflect any physical damage done to them back on who did that…making them nice dummies for sadomasochistic practice. The opposing team being masochists.

Just before we enter the fight, we have Kyle and Harvey use the rings to surround the team (minus constructs) into airproof bubble-type shield. Zatanna casts a couple spells on the insides of the bubble- one makes sure no magic gets into the bubble from the outside, the other- for general purposes of the fresh air within the bubble. The bubble gets cloaked via telepathic illusions and light bending Invisible Woman-style, performed via rings.
The Daxamite speedster constructs will stay outside the bubble.
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That part is prep, the rest is opening battle plan. If it's invalid, I would ask judges to discount the "battle" part. If yoi've read that carefully, the prep part and initial battle strategy are marked separately.

A question in return- how exactly did you have the access to the battlefield in prep when it was said that all we're having is 15*15 team lounge (about rain and powder covering the battlefield). The prep is NOT on the battlefield itself. The rain and powder movements should be happening in opening seconds of the battle as that's where we get to SEE the friggin' battlefield. Unless you want to make it rain in the lounge.. wink


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Unofficial part: The top prep part is fine, you just cant attack us in the same post and under prep (as far as I know) as that post would be one of your official battle posts.


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quote: (post)
Originally posted by -K-M-
Unofficial part: The top prep part is fine, you just cant attack us in the same post and under prep (as far as I know) as that post would be one of your official battle posts.


For an opening post, it should include your prep strategy and your opening battle plan.

However, you'll just have to compensate with the rest of your posts.


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Edited out cause it's b*tching on my part...official posts coming soon.


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Official post #1. Debating for characters Tangent Superman& Zatanna

And discussing their prep in general.
First of all, our opponents seemed to forget that thing in their opening strategy:
quote: (post)
Originally posted by TheKahn


Prep Time:
- Each team will have access to a "team lounge" measuring 15x15 meters with a couple of couches, satellite tv, refrigerator, washroom, and an assortment of snacks and drinks for 5 minutes prior to each fight where they can use their prep time. . No extending of that prep time via any means (ie speed force or time manipulation).

Equipment:
- Characters are allowed to carry only what they normally have in their possession. For example a Green Lantern get his/her ring but Reed Richards can't go back to his lab for the ultimate nullifer or anything else.



We're NOT spending our prep on the planet's surface, and I'm afraid Beta Ray Bill's ship is a)too big to fit in the space of the team's lounge; b) is sub-standart equipment which is not allowed in there (the only exception made is for GL's batteries). I don't think ship (unlike Stormbreaker) fits the description unless Batdude and Kahn have allowed that specifically. Also, there's no summoning rule affecting BOTH the assistance of spirits for Shaman and ship summoning for Beta Ray Bill.

Rain, spreading powders etc would happen in the opening seconds of the battle.So basically the only things I can accept are: a)mindlink; b) Bill communicating with his hammer; c)fog of invisibility and shields; d)TK shielding

The rain and powders can be done in the battle only, and since our team has got the edge in speed against yours... I see Zatanna's astral projection doing that to Shaman even BEFORE he pulls out anti-flying powder and the rest
http://img81.imageshack.us/i/41484284xe8.jpg/

More freezing of top tier magicians\magical beings, such as Etrigan and Zauriel
http://img17.imageshack.us/i/zatannastop1.jpg/
http://img9.imageshack.us/i/zatannastop2.jpg/

So he won't be grabbing a THING during battle.

Can "magic-cancelling" blast interfere with that? No, he's too slow given our speedforce-enhanced reactions (and the fact that for our team thinking=action for the most part). Also, let's see that scan closer.
http://i799.photobucket.com/albums/.../magicblast.jpg

It's barely "washing off" magical energy from some guys, so at the very WORST it cancels the "damage reversal" spell on the constructs... which is the icing on the cake.

Cancelling the transformation of some beings is parlour tricks for Zatanna:
http://img211.imageshack.us/i/racer...wn38p12oy4.jpg/

AND can be done to Beta Ray Bill causing him to reverse into mortal form.

Captain Comet is also busy with Tangent Superman who is at the very least telepath in his class... if not greater. His clairvoyance is countered by ours...Tangent Superman can play that game as well. But in general spying on the opposition during the prep is not allowed in tourneys.


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Official post #1
Initial Attack:
As the match starts Talisman calls forth the wind spirit which has the ability to carry individuals thousands of miles in less then a minute1, which ultimately is being used to disperse the handful of baubles which are a powerful item used to defeat Ranaq “and just for a single wrenching moment the universe itself seems to blink out of existence, like a soap bubble suddenly impaled on a thorn2." and the Dust from the Realm of Dreams that puts anyone to sleep3. So your team will be experiencing extremely powerful attacks as well falling asleep from the dust and with the wind it can cover the entire area instantly.

If you do somehow go into astral form you merely sealed your doom as the Binder-of-Spirits (Talisman II) would quickly put you away and your host bodies would all be but destroyed. All of Talisman spells can be done literally in seconds. Not quite sure why your calling Talisman attacks slow as their said to be instant, and he can even “keep up” with Northstar. If you tried to instantly go astral form and attack you would become the newest member of the team.

Heck, Comet could make short work of Kyle Rayner as Comet has done so to Power Ring, Hal Jordan and Sinestro. Kyle isn't bringing anything to the table Comet can't easily counter or reverse on him. Just to note as stated Comet's willpower > Power Rings & Sinestros

Counter Attack post:
Astral projection=Automatic lose
First off its Talisman II not Shaman, which is Shaman basically on steroids and a huge miscalculation for you guys you also say his spells and items are time consuming…their not, far from it. A huge hole in your strategy is the fact your relying on using astral projection which against Talisman II is pretty much an automatic lose. As the astral form is the “spirit” of their host. Why is this bad you may ask? Well Talisman is the binder of spirits meaning he has complete and utter control over ALL spirits, meaning you just became his servant. Also if you think he couldn’t do it Talisman II has taken over the sprit manifestations (astral forms) of the Great Beasts so your team would not be above him to control4.

Zatanna attack=Power up for Talisman
Another HUGE error in your tactic is having Zee going after Talisman directly. As Talisman power grows stronger with increased magic in the area, and can simply just cancel it out. Here even Talisman I even when she was vastly inexperienced at the time not like Talisman II who is a proven magician does it with ease. The actual Talisman they wear is what gives them this ability.

Talisman absorbing Ranaq’s attack
1. http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c...Flight19-18.jpg
2. http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c...Flight19-19.jpg

Here Elizibeth who just recently became Talisman and has yet to fully unleash her power, easily neutralizes the Void that had a hold of Heather
1. http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l...Flight_1_17.jpg
2. http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l...Flight_1_18.jpg

Here the inexperienced Talisman I easily cancels Loki's spell that altered humans into gods.
1. http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l...ight_002-08.jpg
2. http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l...ight_002-09.jpg

Also sorry to say Zee’s magical senses don’t compare to Talisman. Not only does he have his own magical senses, but donning the Talisman of Power, Elder Gods actually continuously feed him information.

Here Elder Gods feed the user information about Llan and the location he teleports them to
1. http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c...Flight72-03.jpg
2. http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c...Flight72-07.jpg
3. http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c...Flight72-09.jpg
4. http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c...Flight72-15.jpg
5. http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c...Flight72-20.jpg
6. http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c...Flight72-21.jpg

Once again Talisman of Power feeds the user information
1. http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c...Flight73-04.jpg
2. http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c...Flight73-05.jpg[/

Zee cant hold a candle to Talisman and just going after him directly just only made him more powerful. Heck if Talisman who already has Zee beat by overall magic, cancelling the magic, and down right controlling her if she goes into astral form he always has his telepathy that has reached into another galaxy.
1. http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i...light111-09.jpg
2. http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i...light111-10.jpg

Captain Comet > Tangent Superman
First off T.S is not at least Atom’s equal, and T.S is “Tangent Superman who is at the very least telepath in his class... if not greater”. Not quite unless you can back that up as stated and shown CC is one of DC’s TOP telepaths. T.S hasn’t shown Comet’s range or overall power…ever. Heck, even if T.S was greater (which he isn’t) Comet has beaten stronger telepaths then himself due to his experience.

Comet has the mental force of a mind 100,000 years old. However, Starstriker has gained Comet's power and amplified his stealing Comet's giving him the mental force of 200,000 years old. Yet, Comet actually outsmarts him and out powers him and Comet’s experience > T.S.
1. http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/...sents_22_17.jpg
2. http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/...sents_22_18.jpg
3. http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/...sents_22_19.jpg

Also your forgetting an ability Comet has, he can adapt to any attack. So even sneak attacks wont really work on him
1. http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/...ures-037-05.jpg
2. http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/...ures-037-06.jpg

Summary
-Astral projection becomes an automatic win for the team as Talisman can control astral forms as he has done so many times
-Zee attacking Talisman with magic would only be faulty as any magic only makes Talisman stronger, and he even has the capability to simply cancel out any magic spells making Zee useless
-You have no real means to counter the handful of baubles or the sleeping dust
-C.C is a superior telepath then T.S, and has vastly more experience over T.S and CC’s ability to adapt to attacks giving him the edge between the two.
-Comet if he wanted to could make short work of Kyle with ease, which Comet has done so to Hal Jordan, Power Ring and Sinestro (as outlined in the opening prep post)

Footnote
1. http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e...Flight36-20.jpg
2. http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c...Flight18-21.jpg
3
i) http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g...Flight84-14.jpg
ii) http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/...ake_DCP_016.jpg
4.
i) http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g...Flight38-17.jpg
ii) http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g...Flight38-18.jpg


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Kris Blaze's official post #1

First of all, I will point out all the glaring weaknesses in the opposing team’s strategy. Also, many of the faults with the characters, and not just our respected opponent’s plan. Kyle, has a really hard time maintaining sovereignty over his own weapon. He is highly susceptible to overridden and drained, just like the boy can be mind-controlled.

Getting raped by Light:
1 - http://i799.photobucket.com/albums/...lightsecond.jpg
2 - http://i799.photobucket.com/albums/...ightsecond2.jpg

Raped once again:
1 - http://i799.photobucket.com/albums/...s/Kylelight.jpg

Mind controlled by Psimon, easily:
1 - http://i799.photobucket.com/albums/...3_57_ocd_16.jpg
1 - http://i799.photobucket.com/albums/...ns/kylemind.jpg

Controlled by Doctor Polaris:
1 - http://i799.photobucket.com/albums/...kylepolaris.jpg

Deathstroke overrides his ring:
1 - http://i799.photobucket.com/albums/...risis_03_10.jpg
2 - http://i799.photobucket.com/albums/...risis_03_11.jpg

With all these things going on, what’s to stop possibly the strongest telepathy in DC or one of the best energy manipulators on Marvel Earth from simply taking control? Nothing. Unfortunately for Kyle, Tangent Superman is not comparable to Comet. Even the bare basics of properly shielding his own mind, seem to be too difficult:
1 - http://i799.photobucket.com/albums/...s/tsr_12_08.jpg

Further more, Tangent Superman grows weaker and weaker the more energy he expends. Unlike Bill or his team-mates, who do not grow tired and exert virtually no energy, he cannot afford to use energy.
1 - http://i799.photobucket.com/albums/...s/tsr_12_19.jpg
2 - http://i799.photobucket.com/albums/...s/tsr_12_20.jpg

I’ll leave Zatanna to Shaman and his magical abilities, but let’s not forget how pitiful her durability is when caught off guard:
1 - http://i799.photobucket.com/albums/...%20scans/17.jpg
2 - http://i799.photobucket.com/albums/...risis_03_04.jpg

And that godawful reaction time of hers, which borders on the line of peak human at best:
1 - http://i799.photobucket.com/albums/...risis_03_04.jpg

Let’s take about defences people. What kind of defences does Bill have here? Not everybody reads Thor, and those who do, do not necessarily read the ones with BRB in ’em. So before we get to the good part, the offensive strategies, let’s just see what kind of punishment this guy is capable of handling.

He can take punishment from Thor:
1 - http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e...Thor_338-16.jpg
2 - http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e...Thor_338-16.jpg
3 - http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e...Thor_338-19.jpg
4 - http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e...Thor_338-21.jpg

He can take an attack from Gladiator’s cousin:
http://i799.photobucket.com/albums/...sters2008-1.jpg

He can take an attack from Galactus, without defending himself:
1 - http://i799.photobucket.com/albums/...eaker0121-1.jpg
2 - http://i799.photobucket.com/albums/...breaker0122.jpg

Two times:
http://i799.photobucket.com/albums/...breaker0115.jpg

And he has survived several planetary explosions:
1 - http://i799.photobucket.com/albums/...eaker414-15.jpg
2 - http://i799.photobucket.com/albums/...eaker416-17.jpg

3 - http://i799.photobucket.com/albums/...er1of3-19-1.jpg

1 - http://i799.photobucket.com/albums/...Bill/img021.jpg
2 - http://i799.photobucket.com/albums/...Bill/img022.jpg

1 - http://i799.photobucket.com/albums/...breaker0308.jpg
2 - http://i799.photobucket.com/albums/...breaker0309.jpg

Bill has the best durability of the bunch here. His opponents are simply not capable of taking this kind of punishment. However, Bill does not actually have to take all of these attacks. His hammer, Stormbreaker, is Mjolnir’s brother with the ability to absorb near limitless amounts of energy. You should also note that he does not have to directly aim his hammer at the opponent for it to absorb the energy. The energy is pulled into the hammer, which minimizes effort and makes it impossible to flank or get any attacks past him. When Bill is absorbing, his team-mates are covered as well.
1 - http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e...-524-022-16.jpg

1 - http://i799.photobucket.com/albums/...breaker0309.jpg

1 - http://i799.photobucket.com/albums/...rbgh_02_005.jpg
2 - http://i799.photobucket.com/albums/...rbgh_02_007.jpg

1 - http://i799.photobucket.com/albums/...02thoranyj1.jpg

1 - http://i799.photobucket.com/albums/...Masters2019.jpg

1 - http://i799.photobucket.com/albums/...aker0305-06.jpg
2 - http://i799.photobucket.com/albums/...breaker0307.jpg

1 - http://i799.photobucket.com/albums/...eaker0121-1.jpg

Also, let’s refute the claim that Zatanna can somehow reverse Bill back into his original form. This was a gift from Odin, who placed an enchant on his hammer. This was a reward for carrying out a mission alongside Thor, not a restriction like Thor initially had to suffer. Zatanna can not reverse Odin’s spells, simple as that.
1 - http://i799.photobucket.com/albums/...r_V1340_p20.jpg

Things get better, Bill does not transform back to his pre-cyborg shape, he transforms TO it. That shape only exists because of Odin’s enchantment. So she wouldn’t be turning him back into anything. The only way she could do it, would be offensive matter manipulation. While we’re talking, let’s have a look at BRB’s form WITHOUT Stormbreaker:
1 - http://i799.photobucket.com/albums/...rbgh_02_022.jpg

1 - http://i799.photobucket.com/albums/...l/brb_03_14.jpg

Beta Ray Bill’s choice of attack:

He will use his newly gained control over the EMP spectrum to disrupt Kyle’s focus. Captain Comet has already briefed him on how Green Lanterns function:
1 - http://i799.photobucket.com/albums/...tFiles01-26.jpg

Throw around some magic-reversing blasts, cancelling out any magical spells:
1 - http://i799.photobucket.com/albums/.../magicblast.jpg

He will also use his energy manipulation abilities to ruin any green lantern construct or attack. He could override EGO THE LIVING PLANET’S energy control. The idea that Kyle can resist this with his history of losing control, is laughable:
1 - http://i799.photobucket.com/albums/...nual1650pd3.jpg
2 - http://i799.photobucket.com/albums/...02thoranyj1.jpg

He also has a vast storage of energies that he can let loose on his opponents. Or, he can simply choose to absorb and then amplify the energy right back.
1 - http://i799.photobucket.com/albums/...aker0305-06.jpg
2 - http://i799.photobucket.com/albums/...breaker0307.jpg

1 - http://i799.photobucket.com/albums/...breaker0118.jpg
2 - http://i799.photobucket.com/albums/...eaker0119-1.jpg

1 - http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e...-524-022-16.jpg
2 - http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e...-524-022-17.jpg

Summary:
- Bill can absorb any attack.
- Bill's enchantment cannot be reversed, since his Korbinite form is no longer his standard and his human form does not exist in space.
- Bill's control over energy trumps that of Kyle Rayner.
- Bill's too strong and powerful for either of these member to match in a firefight.


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wow, our opposition broke an assload of rules


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summoning outside help, not-so-portable technology ( the battleship potemkin aka skuttlebutt), access to the battlefield, AND tampering with our preparation.....

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khan, batdude, our team's simple utilization of the construct rule pales in comparison to the offenses committed above, it's not the level of trick rule breakage, but it's illegal nonetheless.


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Official post #2.

Barring any nonsence from the list Gundam just've posted... continue the "how-we-kill-your-team" list.

1. Superior reaction speed advantage gives the right of the first hit to Zatanna and Tangent Superman in the battle. Shaman is a normal human reactionspeed-wise, and even IF he absorbs magical attacks (which he does consciously), he can be pretty much immobilized in non-magical way.
http://img228.imageshack.us/i/stealspowerxl7.jpg/
http://img225.imageshack.us/i/stealspower2ix1.jpg/

She can do to Shaman the same Faust (with stolen powers of Kyle and Wally West and zero direct experience with them) did to her. No free hands=no casting. And no pulling stuff.

Controlling Zatanna's astral projection=big no-no... She was able to override the control of the freakin' demonic diety of Chaos, your odds? Not so great.
http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/...tanna417pu9.jpg
http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/...tanna418dj1.jpg

On Captain Comet vs Tangent Superman. Tangent Superman can adapt as well, altering his body via molecular TK
http://img406.imageshack.us/i/13fn0.jpg/
He is supergenius and equal of Comet in terms of raw power at least. I bet he knows enough to understand his tactics. They both are creme de la creme of DC TP hierarchy.

Somebody who cah sence probings across multiverse can definetely compete with him in terms of the sensitivity. And genius level intellect means he won't be fooled by simple "psychic reversal" tricks (Grodd is genius but he's not "millions of years beyond mankind" genius).
http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/...07_pics/sm3.jpg
http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/...07_pics/sm4.jpg

The GL ring can assist in TP as well. In the "Reference" post I've shown some relevant feats of it.

Now, the feats of Kyle being mind controlled are irrelevant here, as he's being MINDCONTROLLED from the start of the match. He's under "psychic governor" of sorts, that keeps him ultrafocused and in sorts of trance.
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/1240538/ts3.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/1240539/ts4.jpg.html

Zatanna has already shown that she can "deny access" to several minds even for the most powerful telepaths. Pray tell me, does Comet beating Gorrilla Grodd (via clever move, I admit) shows that he's >> Despero or Martian Manhunter. In short, while trying to breach our shields, you have good odds to forget about your own shielding.
But I'll let my colleague deal with that.


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Official Post #2
Clarification:
Speed & Hand casting
Not sure why you say Talisman has normal reaction as he doesn’t, as stated his magical senses allow him to “keep up” with Northstar. In addition Talisman isn’t even human anymore so you can stop with the human reaction time garbage. So there goes your theory. Once again your making ANOTHER inaccurate comment about Talisman, as you said “No free hands=no casting. And no pulling stuff.” you do realize Talisman doesn’t need to do free casting right? Probably not, but the point is Shaman like Zee can cast spells just by talking for instance saying “shush” he froze time (which is banned here) and for a period even when Talisman lost the Talisman of Power and became Shaman he wasn’t using his pouch anymore to cast spells. Talisman II when he got the Talisman of Power didn’t need his pouch anymore as he could do everything without it. You also said IF he absorbs the magic? No no no he would, even just being close to magic augments him you’re stuck now *See battle post #1.

Spirtis are not summons
You indicated spirits are summons, when their not. That’s like telling a magical user he can’t cast a wind attack as that wind attack is a spirit. Even Zatanna’s freezing attack that you wish to use would be considered a spirit as “to the Sacree, everything that exists--even lifeless stone--is animate, invested with a spirit force that can be called upon to give aid.” They always exist and basically it’s a way to give a “face” to their magical abilities such as causing plants to radically grow (which once again isn’t a summon, but is called a spirit of growing things). So if you ban the spirits you pretty much will have to ban every single magical spell cast or any kind of matter manipulation. Hell the spirit of wind is basically a wind attack, which Shaman has done so countless times seen here throwing China Force into a portal1. Makes no difference at all as you’re still going to be knocked out from the dust and seriously rocked from the baubles. Khan and Bdude approved it as well

Attack
Your neglecting the fact that handful of bauables and the dust from the realm of the dreams is still in the air and would put you all into sleep either from the dust or being knocked out from the baubles. Also going astral form and trying to attack the Spirit-Binder has just made Zee the newest member of our team. Comet as shown can make short work of Kyle Rayner if he wanted to as he has done to Sinestro, Hal and Power Ring *See prep post. Even if T.S did go after Comet first he would be quickly over-powered by Comet's sheer power and vast experience. T.S doesn't have the feats to compete with Comet.

Counter-post
Astral Projection=Automatic lose
Ummm…controlling her astral projection is a big no no? How again are you saying that as that scan you showed doesn’t prevent her from being controlled by Talisman or even come close to it. Was the deity of choas the spirit-binder? No so you're post was pointless. Hell, Talisman has controlled the Great Beast and the Gods of the Arctic. Do you know who they are? “The Great Beasts were embodiments of death on Earth when it was first commencing to come alive”. It was stated "the Great Beasts rule over death and decay, and can implore death and decay as a weapon against mankind and “come from a time long before good or evil, for that matter, right or wrong. They're hellstorms, nothing more or less--living breathing tornadoes of mystical energy--consuming everything in their path without restraint or remorse2”. Hell just one Great Beast (Neooqtoq) was taking on Gods from 978 past and present Imperial Worlds and was winning. Great Beasts > demonic diety of Chaos. Heck even Shaman (not as Talisman) has beat Carcass, "a disciple of Khaos, who has defiled Indian burial grounds to start the Unmaking, which could destroy all reality”. Once again you’re outmatched.

As noted “Talisman is a mortal channel that the gods can fight the evil ones3” and is a key player in rules set out by Eternity himself, Zee isn’t overpowering anything. Also you still have neglected the fact that with Zee attacking Talisman you just made him drastically stronger. You’re actually arguing the Spirit-Binder wouldn’t be able to control Zee’s soul even though she has controlled skyfather spirit forms due to for that very reason while a human magician would somehow be beyond the control of Talisman? *Snickers* you’re overpowered and outmatched.

Captain Comet > Tangent Superman…still
Also Captain Comet once again is stated to be one of the most brilliant minds in thr DCU. He’s on par with Briainac, who is above T.S sadly and T.S doesn’t have many feats to back up being a true rival for him. Comet as shown can play 200+ moves in advance, you’re not going to surprise him3. Another intelligence feat is Comet was stranded on a barbaric planet and is forced to take action if he wishes to escape. She he appears to a cave-man intellect race to teaches them to be so civilized they reached an inter-stellar space program in just 6 MONTHS! Even another Brianiac who is revealed is being smarter then his father was shocked

1. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/...EBELS-11-08.jpg
2. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/...EBELS-11-09.jpg
3. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/...EBELS-11-10.jpg

Yes that feat for T.S where he noticed he was probed from another earth is good, but Comet did that years before him *shrugs* Next.

Also are you forgetting what Captain Comet has done? Show me Martian Manhunter doing easily what Captain Comet did? Why bring up Grodd when I didn’t, but sure that works better for me as Grodd has beaten MM before in a telepathic battle once. Also Grodd has even took control over Zee before. Try again. Why would be forget about our own shields? We have commented on why your attacks wouldn’t even work against us. Your neglecting the fact that handful of bauables and the dust from the realm of the dreams is still in the air and would put you all into sleep either from the dust or being knocked out from the baubles

Summary
-Talisman II isn’t human anymore, he is more of a spirit as noted connected to the Spirit World and plus his magical senses he doesn’t have just human reaction time.
-Talisman doesn’t need his hands or his medicine bag to cast spells
-To say Zee can overpower the Spirit-Binder who has controlled sky father spirits and as noted has complete and utter control over ALL spirits is down right laughable
-Still neglected to answer if Zee attacks Talisman you’re actually powering him up
-Still ignoring the sleeping dust and handful of baubles in the air which would put your team to sleep in more ways then one.
-Captain Comet > T.Superman
-Comet can plan 200+ moves in advance
-Captain Comet’s telepathy is breaching your defenses
-Spirits are not summons

Footnote
1. http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i...Flight69-23.jpg
2.
2. i) http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/...-man_040-11.jpg
ii) http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/...-man_040-12.jpg
3. http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/...es2/SA03505.jpg
4. http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c...Flight72-20.jpg


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