Tano, I don't think Luke would last long if put into the fights shes been in.
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__________________ Every time this fool be come along
He gots you noobs cryin' out fo' mom
Leave the scene lookin' like Vietnam
Might as well call him "Matt Atom Bomb"
Like his name suggests, he's quite atomic
And this fool - he likes DC Comics
Two energy swords make up his symbol
And trust me, dawg, this homie's nimble
yes, Tano wins this one. Luke has had about 1 day of training. He left Hoth, and went to find Yoda. Leia and Han left Hoth and went to Bespin. Vader was waiting for Leia and Han at Bespin. Luke sensed the capture of his friends, and immediately went to save them.
There really wasn't too much of a gap for any training.
Luke defenitly trained for more than a day. However it could be anywhere from a couple of days to close to a month. Regardless Star Wars Adventures: Luke Skywalker and the Treasure of the Dragonsnakes implies his training was quite extensive. It says
"The movie The Empire Strikes Back shows us only a small portion of Luke Skywalker's Jedi training under the tutelage of Master Yoda. In this story, witness a never-before-seen part of that training as Luke is given the task of finding-and retrieving-an object guarded by the deadliest creatures on the swamp world of Dagobah: the monstrous dragonsnakes!
This is the most harrowing, dangerous, and muddiest mission that Luke has ever faced!"
Also Luke as of ESB did manage to get a glancing blow on the V man which is quite impressive.
Last edited by ares834 on Jan 27th, 2010 at 02:50 AM
It is worth mentioning that Luke held his ground against Vader for a good long while. The best Ahsoka did (by herself anyway) was hold her ground against Grievous for a short while. She also managed to beat the crap out of Cad Bane but still lost. Oh, and she beat some alien posing as Jocasta Nu, but dose that really account for anything?
I'm pretty sure that Vader is far superior to everyone I listed. The fact that Luke was able to hold his ground against him for a while, even after Vader stopped toying with him, whereas Ahsoka has done poorly to mildly well against people that are far inferior to Vader seems to suggest, at least to me, that Luke is the better fighter here.
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Applying Clone Wars logic: If ESB Luke were to be portrayed in a CGI environment like Tano is, the powers he'd have would shame his NJO self. Seriously, anyone else think that Lucas would actually allow that?
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Yes Red, I know. I was addressing the comment; "Vader is far superior" to General Grievous. My point is that Vader IS NOT far superior to GG (superior? maybe/probably. Far superior? Not at all). Also, Yes Vader's a beast no doubt, but as it was pointed out, he definitely appeared to be pulling back in his duel w/ Luke, thereby weakening that particular aspect of DarthDaniels argument/stand. Apologies to all for not being more clear.
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Last edited by Jinsoku Takai on Jan 28th, 2010 at 03:24 AM
ki-Adi-Mundi used the force against GG to no avail. As did Shaak Ti, and others he's killed and/or dueled (including Asajj Ventress). While Vader is very powerful, that aspect alone does not equate to him being "far superior"
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Vader is far superior to the Jedi you've mentioned.
*sigh*
Once again:
X < Y
X < Z
Y ? Z
So if Grievous is better than those Jedi, but so is Vader, the comparison is meaningless. What is important is that we have an incredibly powerful Force user squared up against someone that has no access to that arena, someone whose defense is certifiable only against combatants weaker than Vader's.
Qualitative data is useless here; both sides must provide some sort of argument (as opposed to glib tossaway comments) or concede the point.
I, of course, have expressed no opinion on the outcome and so am free of the burden of proof. I have merely pointed out that the reasoning that you've provided is insufficient to suitably convince me (and likely anyone else) that Tano's feats are unquestionably superior to Luke's. (This is not to say that such a task is impossible, just that you have not done so yet.)
Let me make this clear. I DID NOT state that Tano > Luke. Moreover, I DID NOT state that Luke > Tano. I offered a rebuttal to the comment (by DarthDaniel) where it is assumed that Vader is "FAR" superior to Grievous. I also posted a counter to BoratBorat's comment where he stated that having the force automatically makes one superior to a non-force user (I pointed out that having that particular aspect alone at ones disposal doesn't automatically grant one a position of being far superior). Therefore you are attacking a position that I have not established, or intend to as of yet. Please drop the straw man argument.
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