I doubt we'll get through 8 posts each between now and, Friday is it, yes? So I can get the ball rolling, even though I don't feel like I have much to say. But a few quick points:
1. PG made the error of changing, well, nothing from his first battle. My writeup is basically a thorough response post to his initial strategy, and he did me the favor of not throwing me any curveballs to hit. Advantage Digi. At this point I see myself as just piling on, because there's nothing in his writeup that hasn't been addressed in mine.
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Translation: Battle Van will not be moving around fast enough to do anything useful. Do you really think a van, that PG states will have trouble, can keep up with the Mach 1 speed (my team) and teleporting (his team) nonsense that will be happening in the battle?
Angelwing destroys the van anyway. But this is just rubbing salt on the wound.
3. The scan of Battle Van hacking satellites includes Frank's partner feeding him the info. I'll happily grant that battle van is standard equipment for Frank, but somehow I doubt his sidekick comes with it. Another worthless tactic.
4.
Concession accepted. I have the faster, more mobile flight, and could probably kill most of their team with Angelwing alone if I really needed to. Well, ok, that's an embellishment, but it's honestly not impossible since he has at best one person beyond peak human durability.
5. Environment! Rainforest! Sequoia trees! How much space will he have in which to operate the drainer? Not much. Or any of his weaponry? Not much. Now add to that my insane speed and reflexes advantages. Basically the trees and my mobility will make it impossible to hit me by any means.
But hell, their weapons gets stripped by Angelwing, or stolen and destroyed by Boomer/MK. This point doesn't even need made, but I might as well to be thorough.
Actually, wait, I just realized the far BIGGER error. He just claimed Spider-Man would get hit by a bullet without a plot device involved (like the woman who needed saving in the scan). I dare you to repeat the claim. Me and a mountain of scans are waiting eagerly for it. So unless you do, I think it's safer if we all just ignore that you said it, since it's obviously wrong.
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That should get us started. My writeup still has the meat of my plan, but this should tie up any loose ends and also gives PG more to think about.
Okay, Digi's went and done it, he brought the crescent thing to the fight, well like a i said in my OP....
"The Moon knight's crescent plane will have a mobility advantage here, but Pip's teleportation has the stealth advantage. If it's fielded, the instant anyone tries to get aboard it, they run the risk of getting shot by armour piercing bullets from a high calibur weapon, the Iron spidey suit is formidable but not to that level of attack. Also, Pip could just as easily teleport within it and stow away without being seen, only the depowering of the drainer, grenades, shooting, etc will make his presence felt. Once the ship is going down either from unconscious pilots or from damage, only Pip would be able to escape. Pip could just shoot the cockpit with the freeze gun and be done with it. "
Let us delve into this piece of info if you please.
1) YES the Angelwing is indeed very useful for a number of reasons, but digi has to find Pip not only right off the bat, but before he decides to crash the party (pun intended). Pip can teleport and has a long range weapon with a long range scope on it, is in the woods, and can definitely hear the plane's cacophony wreaking the serenity of the forest. Who will find whom first? hmmm again Pip could just teleport aboard the thing and take the fight into his hands lickety split.
2) The battle van is the only real target open to your visual cues here, and it will be trying to gain your attention as the real threat is it's owner. Moon knight remotely pilots the thing to swoop in and change the game, but then again who says the van itself would be in danger of the electromagnetic tractor effect? Tools and weapons sure but a van and it's bullets/rockets in flight going what...1500 meters per second...unlikely. Sure it's bulletproof and all that, but I like the fact that you will have to work hard to take it down given the terrain and inability to truly convincingly effect it greatly with the magna-lift.
Again, it's only a distraction since Pip is my boy here, have fun playing with the van.
3) The notion that Pip's drainer is yours if he were to be caught in the magna-lift field. 2 reasons why i say that's laughable:
i) Well, it's in his backpack afterall, so the initial shock of the magnetic pull those fodder thugs felt from the magneta-lift, the leather sturdy construction of the satchel/backpack (idunno) should keep it where it's at, on his back. So all you would get is an airborne Pip coming straight at your precious ship.
ii) T.e.l.e.p.o.r.t.i.o.n..... you snag Pip, he ports to safety or lulzingly straight into your ship where he either breaks shit or hijacks it. Th thugs were in plain sight so all Pip has to do is like...hide.
In summery of the Angelwing debacle...
Pip will either be chauffeured to the Angelwing courtesy of magnetic compulsion, teleport mid flight into the damn thing, or hide from it till Moon knight gives up the hunt one way or another...OR Pip just beats you to the chase and simply telports into it early and does what the above point explained.
Now a bit about this part:
"II. My opponent wants to get the drop on me and drain my team using his genetic disruptor. First, MK's powers are mystical in origin, not genetic, so it will not work on him period. Second, the disruptor has never encountered anyone from DC Earth, so the disruptor is unlikely to work on Boomer. Even if it did, he is amalgamated with MK so the drain-blitz will not bring down the amalgam. This is their only credible means of offense. Any other offense his team has is pathetic and counter-able by my team, who have far more firepower and skills than his team."
Well what exactly is captain boomerang jr.'s reason of even having powers? Metagene or speed force? Also, Ares was taken down by the drainer, so who says Moo knight is safe? Ares is magical, and he went down quick. And Ironfist had to take the antidote or he would have been smashed, anyway, both of those your characters are "iffy" in the draining department, and they are both fused together....
Oh yeah, you showed Moon knight being bullet proof. Well...they use 9mm in those type pistols and auto-pistols, plus they never shot him in the face.....also not with one of these:
(I accidentally saw pictures of the victims of those bullets just looking for a pic where the size is against a known object... I might just go vegan now...:X)
^ So yeah, Pip could just kill Moon knight, the plane would just stop fighting or keep fighting but you'd eventually lose since Spider-man is a victim of fate here.
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For the record, he's sticking with bullets as his primary offense besides the drainer.
Congrats, you've successfully formed a possible strategy for 0/3 of my actual team. If Pip's dumb enough to teleport inside, I instantly detonate the plane or run it into the nearest sequoia. He'd be incinerated before he got his bearings.
But, and I'm genuinely curious here, are there scans of Pip teleporting into an object flying as fast as Angelwing? The timing would have to be perfect or you'd kill yourself.
So you're saying you'd locate the plane? Cool. That's the only thing I wasn't trying to hide, and it lets me know your position.
If you think Angelwing's attack is even close to my primary one, you're deluding yourself. Your little description of how you'd get out of it proves that it would hinder you. And by then you'll have an adamantium dart in your skull, traveling too fast for you to react.
Lol. Guys, he's confident that he's countered Angelwing. Maybe. If all goes to plan, and you believe everything PG says. Then he only has to deal with, oh, I dunno, my entire team.
Hahaha, you had no idea what to expect from Boomer, did you? To answer your question, even Boomer himself doesn't know, and I'm certainly not going to throw you any bones. The burden of proof is on you.
Ares isn't granted his powers from an outside source. Does the drainer break the link between MK and Khonshu? That doesn't even make sense, not to mention your lack of proof.
The whole thing defies logic. A genetic disruptor can manipulate magical tethers between mortals and Skyfather-level beings? Please. Again, the burden of proof is on you. Stretch its limits if you must; judges are usually not so forgiving of such assumptions.
That last one actually involves Punisher. Really, this whole tactic is just embarrassing for PG.
...and this is a forum battle, so I have bloodlusted Spidey with his "The Other" upgrades (including speed), so what I show is actually less than what he's capable of.
Now that implication is just cruel. Judges. PG hates puppies. Are you going to stand for this?
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News and Notes
- He never mentioned how he'd find Spidey? Stealth mode and spider-sense, remember. I initiate the fight.
- Or how he'd be able to attack before I detect you with spider-sense and react at 40x human speed (probably more with upgrades) which is at least 20x Punisher.
- Or how he'd negate the advantage and cover that the trees provide for me, making the drainer VERY limited in its range.
- Seriously though, Boomer's just too damn fast. I pushed the tourney limits with him to have a speed edge over almost any team, while PG dipped WAY under them. PG's got a gun and a prayer...and not much of one.
We're never hitting 8 posts before Friday, so I'm not worried about double posting. I don't want to flood the judges with extraneous stuff, but here's some random ideas and scans that reinforce my points:
- I literally just realized this as I was going through Angelwing showings...I've never seen anyone inside of it. MK always rides on top of it. I don't think there's a cockpit. It's only controlled by MK remotely. PG's idea of having Pip teleport inside is probably impossible. I will endeavor to confirm/deny this before the end of the battle. Not that it matters, but it might give me one additional edge in the fight.
- Spider-Man has also displayed lightning accuracy with projectiles, and has adamantium crescent darts from MK in prep. One toss, they're dead before they can react. Boomer/MK will be better equipped for this, but either of my guys could perform it.
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Ask yourself this: will he defeat my entire team before I get in a single attack? Because that all I need to destroy his gun, kill him, or both. I have a tourney capped speedster, amalgamated with someone immune to the drainer, adamantium weaponry, and a bloodlusted goddamned legend that can run circles around him. All in a dense forest that negates his main advantages.
"I have a tourney capped speedster, amalgamated with someone immune to the drainer"
^ So you're coming to terms with Boomerang being a meta-human (or enhanced in some way, Bucky was effected just as much as Spider-man was). My first response post was just a walk through of the branches of possibilities stemming from the Angelwing should Pip be even found by it when Digi needs it the most, let's not forget. Pip being located by the thing is very unlikely due to the terrain and circumstances here, and the massive teleportation wrench thrown in to the mix makes it even more unlikely.
A huge thing being overlooked (touched on in the start of this post) was Moon knight's Siamese twin in Boomerang. Moon knight is "arguably" immune (lol not really), but Boomerang is an ingredient that ruins all of that "possible" immunity... and all Pip would have to do to simultaneously take out him and his loud toy in the sky would be to get WITHIN A PROXIMITY OF.... HUNDREDS OF METERS (being generous)
So in essence, Pip only has to catch you with the drainer (he will be moving throughout the landscape unhindered by anything) and it's game over for all of your team, Spider-man is hiding.
Earlier you mentioned Boomerang being able to defend himself from ALL gunfire... well. (provided he's not drained and in fetal position)
"uzi (standard goon weapon) = 390 m/s (1,280 ft/s)
barret (note* Frank uses purely modified weaponry for use against super-humans, modifications are done by like-minded benefactors and himself using advanced stolen tech) 853 m/s (2,799 ft/s) (most appropriate estimate)"
Those sniper rounds also carry quite the punch when they make contact, a lot more than tine 9mm your scans have, plus you have the ability to see their source and aim block, not the case here at all.
^ Those rounds will be fires from all angles and without Boomerang's much needed focus on said rounds -- he definitely has speed and skill but telescopic vision and the ability to know when to defend from out of the blue... not so much-- not too mention i have a Pym'd freeze gun and Goblin bombs.
The Angelwing and a good amount of Moon knight's tech was worked on by none other than HARROW, he knows how everything works:
(people should pay me to pick characters for them)
^ so hacking it would be cake. Not bad for my throwaway guy.
So again. The drainer's reach could very well just take you down from jump just by being in the same vicinity as Pip. All you get is a Battlevan as a visible target (though the terrain will be problematic, sequoia are phucking huge + Harrow can fight back to say the least),
your team is ALL susceptible to the drainer and Pip doesn't even need to get too close, just within a something like 100+ meters and your guys drop like they were Rat poisoned.
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I said no such thing, nor did I imply it through any of my comments. Don't make things up because you need to find a point to argue where no logical argument exists.
However, I'm increasingly convinced you haven't read my previous posts, because I've never claimed Boomer is immune to the drainer. The fact is, we don't know if he is or not, and I dislike dealing in blind speculation. What I have claimed is that MK is immune. So far you've provided no evidence to dissuade my opinion.
In any case, my only claim about Boomer is that he's too fast to be located or hit by you, by anything. For the record though, judges, PG's defense against draining MK is the following:
Has he provided a scan that suggests that the GENETIC gun could break the magical tie between Khonshu and MK? No. Has he even provided a viable logical reason for it? No. His response is "lol not really." That's his reply.
Three points on this:
- One, Boomer is half the amalgamation. Best case scenario for PG, he hits Boomer/MK with the drainer. That 1/2 of my amalgamation. In what world does 50% = 100% negated?
- Two, "Hundreds of meters" he says. Ignore the little drawing he made...that's PG's own speculation, not a scan that represents evidence. The actual question is: does a scan exist where the drainer works from hundreds of meters away? Or through dense objects like buildings or trees (remember, we're surrounded by sequoias)? Fact is, he has neither.
- Three, the drawing also erroneously suggests that the affect is omnidirectional, when it's very clear that it needs to be pointed in a particular direction to work. Otherwise it wouldn't be a gun, it would just be maybe a button you press that releases a signal.
Also ignoring what I've actually said. Spider-Man is in stealth mode, using his spider-sense to track you down (shown earlier) and picking a spot to attack you when you won't have a chance to react before you're dead.
You still haven't shown how you would detect someone who is, to your senses, essentially invisible.
Sniper rifles take time to aim and fire, and so are worthless against me. And regular bullet sprays I'm completely immune to.
MK is faster than their entire team. But to my other two, PG is moving in slow motion, as are the bullets.
- From all angles, eh? So Frank's capable of an omni-directional bullet spray that accounts for anywhere Boomer might attack from, can get past bullet-proof armor, and leaves you time to react before I put a hypersonic adamantium weapon through your brain. That's impressive, really. I had no idea Frank was the goddamn Flash.
- Battle Van's destroyed (that was my opening tactic), and you don't start with a freezer gun, as it's not standard equipment for Frank. Scratch that tactic.
And I quote: The digital transmitters won't charge from the solar panels in the war room. The rotating cage in the garage sticks when I have a full rack of vehicles. I need a hatch built into the roof for the Helo. The rev limiter's hitting too early when I accelerate on the cycle. And I'm getting a hitch on the tripwire gun when I fire -- It flies a few millimeters high and right.
PG, stop making things up. Show me where Angelwing is ever mentioned. Hell, he didn't even work on anything I'm using in this fight.
Besides, you can't "work" on adamantium and explosive crescent darts. A fat lot of good that will do when either of my boys puts one between your teeth.
There's a reason they don't. Mysterio would've been high level for your purposes. You know I believe that. A shame he got banned, because the rest of your team is a bunch of mid-street-at-best losers with one gimmick attack.
Hacking it with what? And In the middle of a battle? All of his hacks had lopsided prep time. The only thing you have from him as standard equipment in the drainer gun. How exactly are you planning to hack Angelwing with nothing at all, and no time in which to accomplish it?! I'm sure the judges would love to hear it as well.
Even if PG is able to back up the claim that Harrow has worked on Angelwing (he hasn't yet), it doesn't equal instant hax. He needs time and he needs tools. He has neither. He's an old man inventor, not a technopath.
Double standard. Judges, he wants you to ignore the massive problems that the sequoias pose for his drainer gun, but wants you to think of them when considering me taking out battle van. And tell me, which one of those two is more important to the overall plan?
The things are "phucking huge" (his words, not mine). I'll let PG's own opinions do the talking there.
So this looks like my last post for this match since i just got home from work, and it also looks like I have to go over some stuff
again.....
1) Pip's teleportaion is unstoppable in this situation, and his opposition has no means of properly finding and subduing him.
Reasons for which are; Pip is constantly enveloped by a 100+ meter draining zone that is nigh instantaneous in it's effect, and digi's two characters are unacceptable to it (spider-man and the amalgam); The addition of Boomerang negatively effects the debatable resistance of Moon knight since they are now one being. Best case scenario for the amalgam is for it to be 50% affected by the drainer...still not good enough to put up any sort of defense especially when Pip is using a powerful weapon with ill intent.
2) The drainer's undetermined radius is irrelevant when the midpoint isn't fixed (unlimited teleportation). Your team should be running away from Pip just to survive, but they are oblivious to the power drainer so....
3) Pip has an ice gun not too unlike that of Captain cold's, and even Boomerang as a black lantern couldn't do squat about it's blast,
that could very well happen again here, being drained and unlimited teleportation will definitely make it so.
4) A forest is Pip's (Frank Castle's) type of terrain to exploit, the Sequoia provide ample hiding spots and nobody on your team can hope to come close to Pip at all. Angelwing can try and take him down but Harrow in the van will be feeding him it's location via wireless earpiece up till the point he either gets killed or we beat you before that can happen, so getting the drop on Pip ain't happening.
You wanted to know how Harrow could hack the Angelwing from the van, well the Battlevan has on-board computers that allow access to the outside world. Just like the Iron patriot armour, the Angelwing is a supposed protected network...Harrow hacked that shit hard, Osborn couldn't do jack to save himself (scans in the OP) cause Harrow is a near-Stark level genius in terms of network security...especially after hacking Stark tech in the Iron patriot armour. (note* Stark took back his suit by shutting down the Iron patriot armour in a similar matter as Harrow did)
Angelwing > Stark tech?
Oh yeah, lol at the trees being any sort of hindrance to the drainer. Radiation (including radio waves and cellular waves) are 9/10 hindered by concrete, that is why it is a main component to radioactive material storage. Trees in a forest on the other hand....LOL.
At the end of the day, you have no real defense for my attack, Spider-man is indeed hiding, but once he gets caught in the influence, he will make all those groans ans shit and get shot. Your amalgam can't use his fancy moves to stop getting drained before shots are fired.
The rifle Pip is carying has a a multi-mile range and is superior to the Barret-m82 which has been known to cut men in half from over 4 miles away in combat situations. The "from all angles" thing i mentioned earlier was obviously pertaining to Pip's teleportation ability in conjunction with his shooting skills. Your guys won't have a fixed target to dodge from yet Pip will have relative non-moving targets in his victims in which he can port around and shoot at from anywhere within what...4 miles.
"PG, stop making things up. Show me where Angelwing is ever mentioned. Hell, he didn't even work on anything I'm using in this fight.
Besides, you can't "work" on adamantium and explosive crescent darts. A fat lot of good that will do when either of my boys puts one between your teeth."
Well, I was trying to point out Harrow's familiarity with Spector's tech. Sure he can't effectively work Adamanitum, but the darts do have weights inserted in them to correct their trajectory.
"A fat lot of good that will do when either of my boys puts one between your teeth" LOL, from where are you going to attempt to do this? And how prey tell are they going to be able to move once they are within distance and ass deep in the draining effect?
OK, i'm going to make this one short and sweet, because really there wasn't much in question.
Psycho's offense relied on draining their powers by getting in close enough range, either teleporting into the angel wing (which wouldn't work since it's remotely operated), or somehow hacking into it at very short notice, employing a variety of high-tech devices for either plan. While they are drained, he intends to shoot them.
Meanwhile, Digi is going to take away all his weaponry with magnetic defense, and in terms of speed can't be hit by bullets.
I think anyone can see the problem here.
Yeah, the power drainer would work, imo. I didn't see any evidence it only affected Genetic powers, and it was called a "generic" disruptor in the text. However, it's a moot point. Magnetism from the angel wing makes it go bye bye.
Psycho has little means of finding Digi's characters besides trial and error teleportation without his powers. Meanwhile, Digi can scour the battlefield easily with angel wing. Psycho can teleport into the angel wing, but what good will that do? He's teleported into things way harder than a moving plane before, so he can definitely do it, but if he tries to "chill", digi can just have it self destruct.
Based on what I see as the futility of psycho's attack plan, I'm going to have to give this one to Digi.
Guys, I will give my review ASAP. I was planning to do in in one hour but my boss is making me drive 120 miles for some stupid piece of trash. I will give my decision by 5-6Pm EPT
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First off, pretty sneaky Digi.
*wonders what would happen if PG changed his plan*
Anyway, Digi pretty much counter planned against every attack possible. That's what the battle boils down to.
First thing Digi does is have Anglewing spam magnetic powers. Which I feel really changes this battle tremendously.
There's really no excuse that he doesn't take all the weapons (guns, drainer) on the field, other than 'leather satchel'. While I feel this would happen instantly, he then has him destroy the battlevan, and based on his locating heat signatures, I see no reason why this wouldn't work either (which was never expanded on).
With one character out (Harrow in battlevan), no weapons, PG still has no backup plan for Pip, and has him take out Angelwing. This means PG has no character dedicated to the field at the time. And Pip is dealing with merely a vehicle that will destroy itself upon first contact (which would certainly be a basis to find him). If this takes out Pip or not, it's irrelevant as PG now only has a weaponless character against a full team of Digi's who had to do absolutely nothing to get to this point.
I don't think I need to get into detail of how bad this would end at this point in time. With the speed, spikes Spidey has, adamantium darts, and exploding boomerangs, Pipisher simply doesn't stand a chance, although he could certainly annoy for a while.
Not saying PG did bad, as this was a good battle, but Digi counter prepped him seemlessly. Which is why I won't expand on the example of bullets, the power drainer, etc.
Re: Leo's Tourney--Match 2--Pool B--Digi vs Gundam
Hello, everyone.
I apologize for not being able to post this any sooner, but I did read the post a couple of times to make my decision as best as I can. I just want to state that this match up was very hard for me to decide because it uses amalgamate characters and I had to read quite a lot of info on some of these characters to understand them more then I already know.
First off, I didn't really think Gundam's prep was very nice. Yeah, it made sense at the beginning, but I do believe Digi's Prep countered most of Gundam's Prep.
Digi's explanation and scans of the Angelwing's ability was very nice and direct. I though it made a very nice impact on the prep. Why? It has Heat Signatures and powerful magnets to take his opponents weapons. However, what I wonder was that how will Angelwing stop the rockets from attacking it? It's magnet will just help get itself destroyed. Digi did not show I fast it can go, or if it is faster then standard rocket launchers..etc.
For Digi's 1st post, he pretty much explains very nicely why he showed win, and I agree with many of them. IF you guys need me to explain why, I will. For now, I will not explain it, but if you need me to, I will.
For Gundam's 1st post, I believe he failed to realize that the Angelwind can detect heat, thus teleporting wont really be a weapon to attack, or hide, but a weapon to escape. However, Gundam did a nice job bringing up the point of explaining that a high caliber bullet is different from a 9mm pistol.
Digi's 2nd post was pretty nice. He pretty much proved Frank can't hit Spiderman easily. Nothing else that can to mind.
Digi's 3rd post was again, pretty nice. He shows MK dodging nicely on a field where there is no actual place to hide and duck for cover. Very nicely. Nothing else to say about this post that is worth typing.
Gundam's 2nd post didn't address to much of the issues. However, he did make a point about the map despite making minor mistake about it. Although, he didn't persuade me about Frank being able to easily attack and hit Digi's member.
Digi's 4th post address most of Gundam's post. He made a sturdy argument towards the drainer which I agreed(not entirely). He did address the bullet issues, Freeze gun, and P-Bombs. Should I address more of this post.
Gundam's 3rd post(?) made several points including hacking ability, radio/radiation waves, and other stuff like the potential ability of teleporting.
Conclusion
Okay, First off, good job to both of you. I liked how you both tried to stick to your apparent advantages and at the same time argue against each other.
For Prep points, I have to give it to Digi. He made a good argument and counter argument against Gundam's. Nevertheless, Gundam had his points as well.
For the battle itself, proof/scans, and the amount of argument you guys made, I still say Digi did a better job. However, this is not to say that Gundamn didn't have his moment where he shined.
What I though made a huge impact on both argument is as follows. For Digi
- He proved that the Angelwing is a huge advantage in this fight. He pretty much in my opinion made Frank useless. Why? Well, Digi did prove that he can find people using head signatures, and powerful magnet to steal weapon(all weapons he found dangerous)
- He proved that rifles can't fire fast, but can't dispute the fact that they are powerful. Now even if it was, it wouldn't matter why? He posted proof and very very strong ones that shows MK and SM dodging Franks bullets(spams too)
- Provide proof that terrain is a nice advantage for Spiderman
- Nice tanking ability
- Spiderman's senses
- there were others but this to me made a nice impact
For Gundam
- Bullets are dangerous
- Teleporting is nice defense(for escape only)
- Have long range advantage
- Drainer can be fatal. He proved a lot about radio/radiation waves. However he didn't prove that the drainer is actually like Radiation or radio waves, or how strong the radiation is. They have to be pretty powerful to go through walls. Woods needs less power though Good job.
So the way I saw this match up going is that the AW would do huge damage to the Van(destruction). Frank could easily shows his
position if he fires or the heat finder will locate him or anyone else it needs. I don't know how Gundam's team would stop the Aw. Teleporting on it is death and that's if he could(didn't provide proof).
The Drainer could be taken by the AW and all of Franks weapons. So, he becomes a much weaker threat.
Gundam's team would have a hard time hitting anyone on Digi's team. They proved time and time again that they can dodge it spam bullets.
So without further stalling, I declare that Digi wins. Congratulations to the both of you. I am truly sorry I couldn't post earlier. I hope it was good judgement of me.
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