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Star Trek: Discovery

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i hope it's a return to true scifi instead of more of that idiotic nu-trek garbage, but either way, new star trek show is on the way thumb up


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i am both excited and thrilled for this


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Saw this earlier in the movie section, despite this being posted first. Can't wait, been too long since we had a Trek series.


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i wont get excited until i see an episode. i learned my lesson from enterprise and voyager.


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i wont get excited until i see an episode. i learned my lesson from enterprise and voyager.

Both decent shows. In fact if Enterprise had been allowed to continue it might have become the best series of the bunch. The last two seasons were great, and things were just getting exciting with the Romulans when the network pulled the plug.

Voyager was pretty watchable.


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Both decent shows. In fact if Enterprise had been allowed to continue it might have become the best series of the bunch. The last two seasons were great, and things were just getting exciting with the Romulans when the network pulled the plug.

Voyager was pretty watchable.


Enterprise season 3 was great, the rest was just so so.
Voyager had it's good and bad points, anytime the story focused on Neelix I got instantly bored though.


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TBH I thought Enterprise season 4 was just as good. Bar the ending anyway.

Voyager... Eww.


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I actually enjoyed the NuTrek films. They were of a faster pace then the other films, but I didn't dislike it. I thought Kirk and Spock were spot on with casting and mannerisms. I thought most of the casting was spot on. I liked the little things they added as well like the reason McCoy is called "Bones". The lens flares were awful though.

With that said I have always felt that Trek is best as a series, not a movie or even a trilogy of movies. It's about exploration, not of just one place, but of many. You need more then 1 or 2 or 3 films to do it justice.

I also enjoyed Enterprise, I was intrigued by the time war storyline. I actually prefer TNG over any other Trek show, my least favorite for some reason is DS9.

The original series was also good and some episodes could mess with your head. Like the episode where Spock is possessed by an alien..you see Spock actually smiling all throughout the episode. This just comes off as deeply unsettling because you've never really seen him smile. Though the dickery of Shatner on set is also legendary. Also Gene Rodenberry could be a tool as well.

Funny thing is though as much as there seems to be a rivalry between Trek and Star Wars...we have more Star Trek as a direct result of SW's. The success of SW's was what made them decide to make the films and then those films eventually lead to various new series. Perhaps this is why some do not like NuTrek, JJ Abrams has flat out said he was looking at the movie as a Star Wars fan. In other words, thinking to himself "Okay when is the moment Luke see's the twin suns" etc. That's another reason the pace of the new films seems to be quicker.

I remember being excited before "Star Trek Into Darkness" came out because there were rumors the main villain would turn out to be Gary Mitchell.


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Both decent shows. In fact if Enterprise had been allowed to continue it might have become the best series of the bunch. The last two seasons were great, and things were just getting exciting with the Romulans when the network pulled the plug.

Voyager was pretty watchable.


Agreed, don't think Enterprise deserves the flak it got/gets. It wasn't on par with TNG or DS9, imo, but I enjoyed it overall; especially the later episodes.


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Enterprise was absolutely horrendous.

Most of the shows were terrible at the start of their runs, tbf. Early TNG was awful for example.


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But Enterprise got better by the later seasons. I also think there is terrible and then there is TERRIBLE. The early TNG episodes are hilariously bad in a lot of ways. There were still some great episodes in that first season, but a lot of bad ones. Also some of the costumes were horrible. "The Naked Now" is something that could of only ever been made in the 80's.

Wil Wheaton did some pretty funny reviews on the early episodes of TNG. Not only are they humorous, but they contain information only someone who was there could tell you.


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I'm looking forward to this. Should be good


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But Enterprise got better by the later seasons. I also think there is terrible and then there is TERRIBLE. The early TNG episodes are hilariously bad in a lot of ways. There were still some great episodes in that first season, but a lot of bad ones. Also some of the costumes were horrible. "The Naked Now" is something that could of only ever been made in the 80's.

Wil Wheaton did some pretty funny reviews on the early episodes of TNG. Not only are they humorous, but they contain information only someone who was there could tell you.


iirc the Naked Now was a direct remake of that TOS episode. Can't remember the name though.


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The Naked Time.

And 'Naked Now' was not even really an 80s episode; it was an adapted Roddenberry idea that was originally planned for the first Star Trek follow up series, Phase II, in the 70s (which was abandoned when they did TMP instead). That's why everyone is totally out of character.

The first series in particular of TNG is shockingly bad when you go back to it. It's definitely a show whose later triumphs obliterated its past.

My hope is that we one day get a Star Trek series where the final episode is actually any damn good. What stuns me is that 'All Good Things' was completely derivative and shot full of plot holes even AFTER the major plot hole in it was changed at the last moment because Patrick Stewart of all people pointed it out...

... and it's still the best finale. At least it was fun.

Enterprise managed to up the ante here by having the worst ST finale ever (I don't mind the idea of having Riker and co looking back at Enterprise as a general episode pitch, but it was cripplingly stupid as a finale. Most the cast loathed it, particularly Trip)


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^ That's the one. thumb up


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I'm not sure if it was worse than Enterprise (personally I think Archer is by far the worst captain ever, the man literally committed genocide, backstabbed his own allies and complained when his dog pee'd on a species' sacred relic) but Voyager was pretty terrible as well. And it only ever got mediocre in the middle when 7 of 9 joined.

Voyager also destroyed the Q and the Borgs credibility single-handedly which is almost impressive actually.


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best trek is TNG , hands down... followed by DS9...

Voyager only got decent once Jeri Ryan joined.. Never ever get me started on Enterprise because that show should never be mentioned


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Next Gen was the best series, but the Original crew had the best movies.

DS9 was great too. Very different (some would argue it wasn't very Star Trek) but a very deep show. Although it didn't have enough memorable characters like TOS and TNG IMO.

Voyager and Enterprise both sucked really. Although tbf I didn't watch their whole run (seen most of Voyager though).

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TBH I thought Enterprise season 4 was just as good. Bar the ending anyway.

Voyager... Eww.


Pretty much. Enterprise started out slowly but once the Xindi/Sphere builder arc kicked in it was great. Plus Shran.

Voyager watered down the franchise's best villains simply for lack of creativity on the part of the writers, though we did get Seven of Nine's collection of body suits as part of the deal. I also found most of the Chakotay based episodes offensive as f*ck. Space Indians, bruh? Really? That was right up there with the TNG season 1 Space Africans that had huts with automatic doors and ritualistic Mortal Kombat sessions on a death laser reinforced jungle gym.


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Some of my favorite Enterprise eps dealt with the Augments (like Khan) and how they tied that in to retroactively explain why Klingons in the TOS were basically dark-skinned humans with goatees instead of the crabheads we know them to be now.

If you've not seen them, it's worth the watch even if you hated Enterprise and quit early on. All Season four:

-Borderland
-Cold Station 12
-The Augments

-Affliction
-Divergence


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