On the original Batman, which is also my favorite, Batman finds out that the Joker kills Batman's parents. But then in Batman Forever they say that Two Face kills his parents. I don't get it. Something here doesn't make any sense, or do I not know what I'm talking about.
Batman was making a comparison between Joker killing his parents and Two-Face killing Robins parents. Put the captions on your TV and watch it again, then you'll understand.
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First off the movies are what we comic savvy people would call "elseworlds". Basically that means taking a character out of his or her normal settings and giving them a new and original one.
The comics that are not elseworld are part of the stories continuity or orgininal storyline which is only in the comics. In the Batman continuity it was a petty thief a "nobody" who was just desperate, that killed Bruce Waynes Parents.
The reason I quoted this post is because it is incorrect and a common misconception. Batman, despite popular belief, is not after revenge. He is not going after all the criminals in Gotham because his parents were killed by someone he doesn't even know. What he is doing is trying to PREVENT the horrible trauma that he endured from being placed on any other person not take revenge for it.
In recent issues of Batman they mention that he doesnt know who killed his parents which to me doesnt make sense because he is the worlds greatest detective and he shouldve figure it by now!
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I disliked how they wrote in the Joker killing Bruce Waynes parants in the first movie. I see it like this, in the comics Bruce doesnt know who killed his parants it was just a random act of violence on the streets of Gotham City. Since he was helpless to save them he needed to make sure he wouldnt be helpless again to save anyone else. This fueled his need for taking vengence on criminals and guiding him throughout his life as Batman. No matter how many criminals he put away the pain he felt from his parants death would still be there and he would always be batman. I am pretty sure there were a few story lines where he wanted to stop being batman but couldnt.
Now in the first Tim Burton movie he discovers that the Joker killed his parants, when the Joker dies in the end that would give Bruce some sense of closure. He wouldn't have any need in his life to keep being batman. That sort of kills the whole idea of batman, it is not the car or the gadgets or the suit that makes Bruce, Batman. It is his overwhelming desire to hunt down all criminals that makes Batman who he is.
there have been several verisons in the comics who killed the waynes..first it was a mugger named joe chill,pre-crisis batman tracked him down in a story from the late 50's i belive and joe chill died from a heart attack..after the crisis,at least i think thats when this story came out it was in the storyline of batman year two which was collected in a trade paperback,then there was a novel written about batman and then made into a one shot which is out of the batman continuty,where martha wayne was involved trying to stop a child porn ring and the mugger was hired to silence her,good story i forget the book title,but as far as i know it is still joe chill that killed the waynes.....now the jokers origin goes back to a early batman story where he is chasing the crimanl the red hood(think thats his name)but he escaped from batman it shows later that he escaped by going thru the drain pipes of a chemical factory the chemicals doing its magic and made him the joker...i belive this storyline orginaly in the late 40's but don't quote me was redone in the killing joke one shot also a book worth getting,none of the batman movies are true to the batman books as a whole..two face didn't kill dick graysons parents a mobster did wanting protection money from the circus and dick was 10 not in his late teens,batgirl is comminser gordons daughter(though in early stories she is really the commishners brothers daughter who died and the commishner and his wife adopted her)poison ivy got into crime to make the batman fall in love with her...late 60's story that introduced her...looks like i am rambling on sorry but thats the answer joe chill killed batmans parents
i really didnt like the idea of batman finding who killed his parents in year 2, but when i heard it wasnt chill i was relieved and hope that batman doesnt find out who killed his parents. it wouldnt be as dramatic as it is in batman if he found out, seriously.
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The movies almost always fails to deliver the full potential of a written story that's been derived from a book or comic book. With the Batman series it's no different.
I was very disappointed when the movie version decided to place Joker as the killer of Bruce Wayne's parents. This completely altered the aura which made the character of Batman so intriguing in the first place.
Also, just because in the comics Batman never knew who killed his parents doesn't make him any less than that of the world's greatest detective. His parents were murdered when he was just a small child. And, as depicted in the comics, it was a random, senseless act of violence. Because of this, it would make tracking down the killer that much more difficult, especially since Bruce Wayne doesn't actually become Batman until he grows into an adult. So much can happen between the age of childhood to that of someone who eventually becomes full grown.
If any of you follow America's Most Wanted, I'm sure most of you heard about what happened to John Walsh and his family. To this day, the mystery behind the kidnapping and murder of his son, Adam, has remained unresolved. Does a tragedy like this make him, his show and his collection of law experts any less than remarkably efficient in their quest to make our world a better place by exposing criminals through the power of the media? No.
So, in the same regard, just because Batman hasn't been able to resolve the issue of his parents' death doesn't make him any less of an extremely skilled detective in the comic book world.
But, if you go with the notion of Joe Chill being the man responsible for killing Bruce Wayne's parents, then it's mystery solved and that's that. Yes, in the earlier comics there were a few issues that pegged Joe as the man who killed the Waynes.
Personally, I like the idea of Bruce Wayne/Batman never learning the truth about who actually killed his parents until maybe some weird story has it where he encounters some old, dying man that's stuck in a nursing home that rambles on and on about the crimes he committed as a young adult. Can you imagine the dilemma Bruce would end up in if he went to visit some old guy in that same nursing home, who just happens to share the same room with this old rambler who admits to committing a horrible crime some 30 years ago? I can just see this little shocked face on his if he discovered the truth in some weird way like that.
I read this story Batman comic book which had reminiscences from Batman's year two. The murderer's son featured in it, as did someone or other pretending to be that clean gardening vigilante from Wayne's Second year as Batman.
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