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anomaly12
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Miffed The Indian Connection(revolutions)

Hi guys
my first post and i start by starting a new thread. Being an indian and a diehard matrix fan i was surprised (and pleased) by the Indian connection of Matrix Revolutions.But i need some help understanding this.........wat was the purpose of the indian couple......which one was "our" world and which one was "their" world.One of them has to be the real world, then how can they( or sati) go there as they are all programs? and wat gives sati such immense power so that she can change the matrix as she pleases(she changes it for neo in the end). and after the fight between neo and smith there is a deja vu (the black cat again),wat hv they changed this time?Has Neo died or not?why does the oracle say"We'll meet him again"?How did the oracle trick smith? where was the architect headed in the end?Please answer these questions.Plus i have something for all of you-
When smith is fighting neo(the final fight in the rain) the background music is actually an indian(sanskrit) shloka taken from the bhagvad gita.It goes like -"Asato ma sadgamaya
tamaso ma jyotirgamaya
mrityor ma mritam gamaya
om shanti shanti shanti"
It means:"Oh lord take me from evil toward good,from darkness toward light, from death toward immortality. oh lord i hope the world around me remains in peace."
This has such great relevance to the story till that point and this is the reason i think neo has now become an immortal part of the matrix.You find any other indian connection please tell me.........

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wow...ok, it is not between real world and matrix, it is between Matrix and deletion. Sati has no purpose, thus we can assume she has no parameters inhibiting her powers. they changed the matrix back to its original glory, before Smith started ravaging the Matrix as he saw fit...Neo's body, yes, probably dead. Neo's mind, very much alive.


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The Machines gave Sati the purpose of the sun. Because she had no purpose before. Neos dead!


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hoot> no, there was already a program charged with watching over the sun, and every other facet of existence. Sati is so important, because she has no purpose, she is the first truly free program.


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Jedi, the man said "we must go back to our world" . What world is that exactly? If thats simply deletion, why didnt they go with the daughter?

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Because the Merv only gave permission for the daughter to be saved, and you don't mess with the Merv!


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Rama-Kandra and Kamala sacrificed themselves to save Sati. Most likely they took “her place” for deletion, so the child could survive.
Just as Neo and Trinity gave their lives to save mankind.


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i still dont know the purpose of rama-chandra(i think this is how its spelled, omega) and kamala, if i'm, not wrong he rama does say something abt it.in any case , sati doesnt hv any purpose then how can she escape deletion and how can rama and kamala be deleted inspite of having a very valid purpose?

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hmm...


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I think they just returned to the Machine World to do their jobs, not deletion.


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They sacrificed themselves so their daughter could live.

Its not that complicated, mero had control of the whole situation so the parents basically sold their soul to the devil........sort of. no expression ......... whistle

EDIT: So as programs they then worked for mr. mero


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If I remember correctly, their functions didn't affect the Matrix, but the Machine World. If I'm right, then they returned to the Machine World.


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Mordecai
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I can't remember their exact functions so i could be wrong, but it works out both ways.


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that you can't take part; you can't even passively take part, and you've got to
put your bodies upon the gears and upon the wheels, upon the levers, upon all the apparatus,
and you've got to make it stop. And you've got to indicate to the people who run it,
to the people who own it, that unless you're free, the machine will be prevented from working at all!" - Mario Savio

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Anomaly> the incarnation of Vishnu is called Rama-chandra, however, the man/program is Rama-kandra...


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Thats amazing about the song. I would have never known. Thanks for the info...


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Wasnt Rama forced to sell out the Oracle to Merv? I think i remember, when the Oracle explains her different shell in ETM, that there was a deal struck by 2 programs she trusted, she was betrayed somewhat, so the sacrifice of Sati's life could be saved. Sati is an anomoly in that she was born from love, not the machines.Please correct me if i am wrong.

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That sounds about right.


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that you can't take part; you can't even passively take part, and you've got to
put your bodies upon the gears and upon the wheels, upon the levers, upon all the apparatus,
and you've got to make it stop. And you've got to indicate to the people who run it,
to the people who own it, that unless you're free, the machine will be prevented from working at all!" - Mario Savio

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Speaking of songs, in the Oracles kitchen while speaking to Neo, playing is an old French song.
I hadnt heard it for years, but immediately recognized the tune. i'll try to get some info on it tomorrow.
Not even sure if theres any words to it, but let me get back to you on that...

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Greetings All
Forgive my ignorance but I do believe that the Matrix has archieved its ultimate purpose: Unification of the ONE into the subconscious of EVERYONE.
Check out the teachings of Sai Baba in order to appreciate my words deeper if you wish. It is a pleasure to be part of this discussion for the way is multiple and diverse, but the destination is always ONE.

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is a man constrained by conscience,
who awakens to censure
like a fine stallion to the whip?

Those restrained by conscience
are rare --
those who go through life
always mindful.
Having reached the end
of suffering & stress,
they go through what is uneven
evenly;
go through what is out-of-tune
in tune."

Hiri Suta "Conscience"

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The Unknown
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quote:
Originally posted by gmpho
Wasnt Rama forced to sell out the Oracle to Merv? I think i remember, when the Oracle explains her different shell in ETM, that there was a deal struck by 2 programs she trusted, she was betrayed somewhat, so the sacrifice of Sati's life could be saved. Sati is an anomoly in that she was born from love, not the machines.Please correct me if i am wrong.



He wasn't forced to, he just had to if he wanted Sati to live. That's what he was doing when Neo, Trinity, and Morpheus arrived at the restaurant to meet the Merovingian.


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-The Architect AKA Larry

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