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Nova & Black Bolt vs Martian Manhunter & Kilowog

1. CIS on
2. CIS off

No BFR

Who wins?


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With CIS off, J'onn solos.

With CIS on, Team 2 still wins.


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Question about MM. Have we reached a conclusion/consensus regarding the fire weakness? I know that its been depicted fairly inconsistently over the years, however, recently I saw a scan of him flying into the sun and although he did burn up, it did seem to take some time.

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I'd think the fact that he flew inside the sun should seal it for current J'onn. At least as far as fire seriously hindering him in any battle, unless people start arguing the opponents creating fires on that level, which would be asinine.


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I'd think the fact that he flew inside the sun should seal it for current J'onn. At least as far as fire seriously hindering him in any battle, unless people start arguing the opponents creating fires on that level, which would be asinine.
I agree. The guy did burn up, but it wasn't depicted as if he was some vampire that instantly burns to a crisp upon the briefest exposure to the sun like some people made it out to be.

As for this fight, both Nova and Blackbolt aren't really hindered by CIS- both tend to make use of all of their powers with relative proficiency- as much as its self imposed limitations on power output for obvious reasons, i.e.Blackbolts voice destroying everything, Nova going crazy and killing everybody.

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Good fight. CIS on, I'll take Team 1. CIS off, J'onn should solo.

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Whats the major hindrance that makes a CISless J'onn some much more formidable that he'd solo two borderline high heralds? Is he holding back power or not utilizing all of his abilities in battle?

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Whats the major hindrance that makes a CISless J'onn some much more formidable that he'd solo two borderline high heralds? Is he holding back power or not utilizing all of his abilities in battle?
Yeah- mostly the fact that neither of Team 1 really has the capacity to affect J'onn when he's intangible. Add in his telepathy and he could potentially (imo, definitely) take them down without actually engaging in physical combat with them.

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Good fight. CIS on, I'll take Team 1. CIS off, J'onn should solo.


How would jonn solo cis off??

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How would jonn solo cis off??
If You've ever read the arc where Jonn becomes Fernus you'd see how amazingly powerful he becomes when he's evil and has no qualms about anything. He single handedly was owning the JLA and only lost when Manitou Raven helped Jonn resist Fernus on the Dreamscape and Fernus gave birth to Jonn. Which im sure did weaken him quite a bit for Jonn to give the kill blow


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If You've ever read the arc where Jonn becomes Fernus you'd see how amazingly powerful he becomes when he's evil and has no qualms about anything. He single handedly was owning the JLA and only lost when Manitou Raven helped Jonn resist Fernus on the Dreamscape and Fernus gave birth to Jonn. Which im sure did weaken him quite a bit for Jonn to give the kill blow


Yeah.. He was just more ruthless.. He wasnt necessarily upgraded.. Akin to WW3 BA..

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He single handedly was owning the JLA


So many characters have done this that it isn't even impressive.


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I don't think Nova can take either of team 2 on his own. And BB would have a hard time stopping Kilowog as well as J'onn.


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Team 1 in both.


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Team 2.

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Yeah- mostly the fact that neither of Team 1 really has the capacity to affect J'onn when he's intangible. Add in his telepathy and he could potentially (imo, definitely) take them down without actually engaging in physical combat with them.



Standard tp attacks wont work on team 1...
Im not disputing that team 2 can win, but thats a bit much if some think Jonn would easily solo..

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Standard tp attacks wont work on team 1...
Im not disputing that team 2 can win, but thats a bit much if some think Jonn would easily solo..
Based on what?

Neither Black Bolt nor Nova have shown an outright immunity to telepathy, nor have they resisted telepathy on J'onn's level (as far as I'm aware, unless something has changed recently. Seeing as Black Bolt's currently dead, I doubt it on his end).

I never said that he would easily solo. I believe that he could though if we remove 'CIS' (which is a stupid notion in itself, but be that as it may...).

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Based on what?

Neither Black Bolt nor Nova have shown an outright immunity to telepathy, nor have they resisted telepathy on J'onn's level (as far as I'm aware, unless something has changed recently. Seeing as Black Bolt's currently dead, I doubt it on his end).

I never said that he would easily solo. I believe that he could though if we remove 'CIS' (which is a stupid notion in itself, but be that as it may...).


Maximus is your not a run of the mill telepath. Resists his mind powers.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v...bolt/plan11.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v...bolt/plan12.jpg

can directly affect tp'ers offensively
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v...olt/maximus.jpg

creates hypno pattern against the Mandarin
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v...bolt/mandri.jpg

When a child uses his powerful mind to animate a huge statue, Black Bolt controls the child's mind and to stop the statue.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v...lt/pattern2.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v...lt/pattern3.jpg

Uses his electron powers to break the same child's psychic link.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v...lt/pattern4.jpg

can even mind blast. prolly through his manipulation of electrons.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v...olt/mblasts.jpg

I dont even have to tell u about Nova.. his tp defense is well documented

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Originally posted by TricksterPriest
I don't think Nova can take either of team 2 on his own. And BB would have a hard time stopping Kilowog as well as J'onn.
Interesting thing about Nova and BB. I think Nova has shown more overall power (in terms of energy output etc) but BB has better showings vs top tiers. Strange.

Anyway imo team 2 are going to have to try and muscle it. Generic tp will be resisted, energy attacks will be absorbed, amped and redirected etc.

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Originally posted by Konton
So many characters have done this that it isn't even impressive.
Depends on who's in the line up no? I'd imagine that some teams would be more formidable -and thus more impressive- than others. Who was on the team at the time?

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