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Captain America w/o shield vs Batgirl w/standard Equip
Can she survive against him even if he doesn't have his shield?
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May 15th, 2011 12:14 PM
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She can give him a good run, but Steve's stronger, more durable, and doesn't tire. She can take some wins, but not the majority here.
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May 15th, 2011 12:20 PM
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Even with the gadgets and batarangs? How does he close the gap?
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May 15th, 2011 12:26 PM
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by Harbinger
She can give him a good run, but Steve's stronger, more durable, and doesn't tire.
And she's got a modified brain that gives inhuman coordination, and move-reading, which makes up for a lot. Neither of them are bog human.
Sans shield, and with her having weapons, I'd personally give her a *small* edge.
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May 15th, 2011 12:27 PM
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As I said, he's stronger, more durable, and can't tire out; if anything, Cap wins via attrition because Cass will eventually tire. Plus, Cap's got some damn impressive dodging/evading feats to his name, so I doubt Cass connects with all of the gadgets she throws at Steve here. She's faster, but not by a significant amount, IMO.
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May 15th, 2011 12:29 PM
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She doesn't have to connect with a lot, they just give an additional threat that he has to worry about. He's got strength and stamina, she's got speed, coordination, and reading. Tossing in Batarang that have near-bullseye level accuracy helps tip the scale.
Anyway, whoever wins, very close and cool fight.
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May 15th, 2011 12:37 PM
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I think Cap takes a solid majority, like 8/10. He is longer in that business, has faced a lot more foes and is one of the best h2h fighters in the MU + his physical superiority.
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May 15th, 2011 12:47 PM
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by Batman-Prime
I think Cap takes a solid majority, like 8/10. He is longer in that business, has faced a lot more foes and is one of the best h2h fighters in the MU + his physical superiority.
She's been fighting her entire life, has Taskmaster-style move copying, is one of the best H2H fighters in the DCU, and her brain is sufficiently odd that she can do combos that are mentally impossible for a normal person (coordination-wise that is. She can basically put her full focus into each hit and move).
He's got an altered body, she's got an altered brain. They're a rather good pair.
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May 15th, 2011 01:09 PM
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by Q99
She's been fighting her entire life, has Taskmaster-style move copying, is one of the best H2H fighters in the DCU, and her brain is sufficiently odd that she can do combos that are mentally impossible for a normal person (coordination-wise that is. She can basically put her full focus into each hit and move).
He's got an altered body, she's got an altered brain. They're a rather good pair.
actually Caps brain is altered as well. everything about him is enhanced.
May 15th, 2011 03:56 PM
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by Lord Feron
actually Caps brain is altered as well. everything about him is enhanced.
Not to the same extent hers is.
There's effectively three powers she has as a result: Mentally impossible coordination, Taskmaster-like copying, and body language reading.
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May 15th, 2011 04:04 PM
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by Q99
Not to the same extent hers is.
There's effectively three powers she has as a result: Mentally impossible coordination, Taskmaster-like copying, and body language reading.
Cap 6/10
May 15th, 2011 05:01 PM
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Steve is stronger, faster, more skilled and has infinite stamina. He takes the high majority.
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May 15th, 2011 05:05 PM
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im sick of th cap doesnt tire argument, under the strain of a fight he will fatigue like everyone else, as shown in actual comics
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May 15th, 2011 06:08 PM
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Steve is stronger, faster, more skilled and has infinite stamina. He takes the high majority.
I disagree that he's faster. I disagree that he's more skilled too (as far as without the shield). Even if Im wrong then the difference is very minute here. What turns the tables is the fact that she has weapons and can copy his fighting skill like taskmaster did. She wins the majority easily.
Also, CA doesn't have infinite stamina.
May 15th, 2011 06:52 PM
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Steve wins. Faster (She has a high end bullet dodging feat? Steve has outrun bullets), noticeably stronger and tougher, has the endurance edge and I doubt she's more skilled.
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May 15th, 2011 07:09 PM
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by h1a8
I disagree that he's faster. I disagree that he's more skilled too (as far as without the shield). Even if Im wrong then the difference is very minute here. What turns the tables is the fact that she has weapons and can copy his fighting skill like taskmaster did. She wins the majority easily.
Also, CA doesn't have infinite stamina.
What a happy coincident that Captain America being faster and more skilled isn't a mater of opinion, but undisputed fact.
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May 15th, 2011 07:10 PM
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by Q99
She's been fighting her entire life, has Taskmaster-style move copying, is one of the best H2H fighters in the DCU, and her brain is sufficiently odd that she can do combos that are mentally impossible for a normal person (coordination-wise that is. She can basically put her full focus into each hit and move).
He's got an altered body, she's got an altered brain. They're a rather good pair.
Cap has an enhanced brain. Cap did well against Taskmaster using more deadly equipment than Cass.
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May 15th, 2011 07:12 PM
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Batgirl really hasn't impressed me with her Taskmaster copying skills outside from fighting this shadow character.
I give it to Steve 6/10 after a good fight. His advantages look better to me then Cass.
But I could see why Cass fans argue against it with her decent record against Slade.
May 17th, 2011 02:50 PM
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by Deadline
Cap has an enhanced brain.
LOL weren't you just asking me for references for this and here you are using it for Cap.
Shame on you Deadline.
May 17th, 2011 03:16 PM
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Batgirl isn't faster. You could make an argument she's more agile.
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