Trinity Piccolo is significantly stronger than a "real" super saiyan. He was stronger than android 16 and even with Android 17. Both androids made SSJ Vegeta AND SSJ Trunks look like punk bitches...like they were insects.
Future Trunks is stronger than the SSJ Goku that fought Frieza. The Mecha Frieza was supposed to be stronger than he ever was as a pure biological form....and Trunks made him look like a punk b*tch.
Trinity Piccolo....he should be able to take out of the family in an instant: as fast as Trunks took out Frieza's foot soliders (in a blink). The family is raped in this one, and with ease.
We know Radditz had a PL of 1200. Goku and Piccolo together did not stand a chance...however, it was not nearly as much of a slaughtering as it was against Trunks and Vegeta.
I see this as being a similar case: I see Trinity Piccolo being closer to an ASSJ than I do to a SSJ and not just a little bit.
Since the androids were far superior to "real" SSJ...
And they trained for 3 years in preparation for them...
We know that they were much stronger, by that time, than the SSJ that fought Frieza.
On top of that, Trunks says that the androids in this timeline are much stronger than in his...which were superior to SSJs in his original timeline.
So these androids are stronger than really strong SSJs (still not yet ascended).
I see his fear and PTSD as irrelevant since he tried to fight Trunks and kill him. Sure, he was stunned...but then he tried his best and got WTF pwned.
And, when SSJ Goku "fought" against Trunks, he only used a finger. One single finger. Hilarious!
So it is pretty clear that Trinity Piccolo is waaaaaaaay stronger than even the SSJ Trunks that killed Mech Frieza. Trunks trained for 3 years before the new androids showed up...and they were still grossly outmatched (18 pwned both Vegeta and Trunks at the same time...much more so than Raddtiz did so against Piccolog and Goku).
So there should be no doubt that Trinity Piccolo (before he trains in the HBTC for the Cell Games) is much stronger than 3 or even 4 Mecha Frieza's, much less Cooler, Frieza, and King Cold.
I see Cooler as the strongest...but Cooler still falls to an untrained SSJ Goku (he had the look he did against Frieza on Namek...so he's not the Yadrat Goku). Since I view Trinity Piccolo as a being more than 3 times as strong as a regular SSJ, but not quite as strong as an ASSJ (maybe half or a third as strong), I see this as an easy victory.
I would put Mecha Frieza, based on the "stronger" statement, at around 4th form Cooler...maybe 90% of that. A SSJ is still a match for that. A trained up SSJ trunks is no match for the weaker of the androids: 18. Two together, Vegeta and Trunks, are punks compared to 18. Piccolo was evenly matched with the stronger of the two: 17. So Piccolo is much stronger than well trained SSJs. More so than 18.
Conclusion: Piccolo is at least stronger than two really well trained SSJs. Trunks thought they were ready for the 17 and 18 of their timeline (implied) but when they arrived, they were much stronger. He was no match for just one in his SSJ form. I would say that they were twice as strong, invidually, than his original SSJ form from the alternate future. Arbitrary, but it matches closely with how Radditz compared to Goku and Piccolo: one would have to be more than twice as strong to toy with Trunks as much as they did.
So, we can use inference to assume (stupid, I know) that Cooler, who is a tad weaker than Pre-Yadrat Goku, is the strongest but around Mecha Cooler.
If Trunks was at least half as weak as android 18 from his timeline and they are much stronger in the main timeline, I'd put them at twice as strong as then.
Piccolo was even with 17 who was stronger than 16.
So we have a Piccolo who is even with a main timeline 17. 17 is stronger than 18 but not by much. 18 is twice as strong as her other form in a previous timeline. That form is twice as strong, at least, as SSJ trunks. Trunks is stronger than Mecha Frieza which is about the same as 4th form Cooler.
So...but that logic...
Trinity Piccolo = Main Timeline 17 > Main Timeline 18 >> Alternate Timeline 18 >> Alternate Timeline SSJ Trunks pre-3-year training > Mecha Frieza = 4th Form Cooler > natural Frieza > King Cold
I'd say that Trinity Piccolo can take on 2 coolers, 2 mecha frieza's and one King Cold and still win but with effort.
If you add in another King Cold, that's when it tips in their favor...maybe.
Last edited by dadudemon on Nov 11th, 2011 at 08:57 AM
I edited, go back and read it. ..but I'll still respond in order.
No, it was an utter stomp because she was toying with them until she decided to put them in their place and then it was an utter stomp.
They were not badly outsped and outmatched by Radditz. I seem to remember Goku getting him into a full-nelson. Additionally, they exchanged blows quite a bit between each other (no homo) unlike 18 and Vegeta where 18 clearly was far superior even when just messing around.
We actually do not know when Vegeta reached SSJ in that 3 year period. However, your point is invalid, completely, when you consider that Trunks was already there and he did no better against 18 and was in fact raaaaped just as hard.
I believe the initial exchange was the test and Goku was like, "naaaaah...you're not going to kill me. See..told ya." Then Trunks said, "okay, this time for real."
He can't because he's a mecha. A mecha that was supposed to be much stronger than he ever was. I don't think this is what you meant because we already know that mecha frieza is stronger than his natural form: there's no doubt about it.
Nah, Raditz was *really* slamming them around and dealing lots of damage. They only got the full nelson due to stuff like tail-grabbing, Gohan's rage, and the like, and of course it wasn't a one-on-one match, it was two-on-one which helps a lot.
18 didn't strike me as playing around all that much.
And ditto Trunks- sure, he lost, and lost significantly, but it was still a fight even though it wasn't 2-on-1.
That's a boost over his fleshy skinny form, but I don't think it was ever said he couldn't bulk up like that.
Anyway, I'll concede that Trinity Piccolo wins solidly, though I think it's still something of a battle and not just an instant win.
Well you said using DBM feats and I still don't know how strong Cold in his final form is..I think someone said he was around 16 which would be leagues above his sons...I know he wasn't as strong as Cell but yeah...then again using the CANON stuff Piccolo should take this with ease.
1. He may have just not wanted to embarrass his son in front of his own enemy or others when Frieza said that, which would make sense. Cooler saying that father spoiled him rotten kinda supports that too.
2. Cold just had a carefree nature about what his son said in general regardless if it was true or not. Cold made himself rather secretive about being leader of the whole planet trade organization after all, so he prolly didn't care if others knew him to be strongest in the universe or not instead of his son.
Can be speculated in different ways, but when it comes down to it, Tien and the other Z fighters' mention of Cold's power when sensing it (saying it was even greater than Frieza's) still holds more weight. Not to mention, Frieza himself commented that Goku was the first one to ever hurt him besides his 'loving parents' when fighting him on Namek, so Cold hardly needs feats to at least be put on Frieza's level or above.
Noooo I meant for DBM, I know in the real show that's the truth but in DBM he's stronger than his kids so I was trying to use those feats too cause of what the OP said, but yeah just using the canon DBZ material yeah you're right Cold is featless lol