John McClane (Die Hard) vs Frank Martin (The Transporter)
Frank Martin has his Military Background, Hand to Hand Combat training, Improvisation to use unconventional weapons, a Sharpshooter, and his ability to do outrageous manuevers in a car while still able to control it and over all Experience.
John McClane has his police background. 'The McClane' Factor which is basically a high level of luck, and his own experience with terrorists.
Round 1 - Hand to Hand. Who can knock out the other first?
Round 2 - Unconventional weapons such as chairs, tables, fire hydrants, etc. Again who knocks out the other?
Round 3 - Hand guns. Pistols. This last round is one to the death. Who kills the other?
I am a McClane fan, but I am also a Frank Martin fan. This is why I made this Vs because I am not biased over just 1 of them.
I request that when you give an answer you give a detailed reason as to how and why who you pick wins a round. This isnt about who wins Overall, its about who wins in each seperate fight scenario. McClane/Martin 'FanBoys' who post to mainly 'Put Down' the other or to say 'He just wins' will be reported and requested that your post be deleted from the thread.
This will NOT be just another 'He wins just because' threads that this forum seems to have been flooded with.
McClane can't keep up in any aspect of combat, ranged, close quarters, hand to hand, unarmed. It doesn't matter.
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o.o Its true though... No offense to the all mighty Impediment! Really though, Van Zan vs a Wood Chipper?
Both of these guys have gone through so much. Yes Frank Martin is better at hand to hand but just because you are good at something doesnt mean you will win. John McClane has fought a few people who were better at hand to hand wether stronger or faster.
Frank Martin is a highly skilled person.
John McClane is Highly skilled at his ability to overcome obstacles.
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I'm just saying, without any plot twists or unexpected variables to a straight forward battle in those three scenarios, John McClane lacks the feats to overcome Frank Martin in any of them.
I haven't seen Transporter or Transporter 2, or LVDH or any of the others in a while. I recall John McClane using a car to kill a physically superior fighter in LVDH, does he get a car here??
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Last edited by KillaKassara on Feb 24th, 2013 at 12:34 AM
I was refering to the quality of the threads. One of the VS was Van Zan vs a woodchipper. It was a Hate Thread against Van Zan saying he would just jump into it.
John McClane is a great Fighter. He is an Expert Marksman. But so is Frank Martin.
And John killed a woman with a car because she kicked him out a window and he survived and got pissed off. Its what we here on earth call improvising. And the car wasnt his in that situation. Whos to say he doesnt find one now? Your not adding in the 'McClane Factor'. John has a high lvl of Luck and because people see that as 'Nothing' then they say John is as well. All I am saying is dont bash on McClane just because the other guy is a better fighter. He beat a much stronger, larger guy hand to hand, He has beat a guy who was way faster then him as well. McClane DOES have skill in fighting, though it isnt martial arts, more Street Fighting. But that is still a fighting style, at least in this day and age.
And if he isnt able to hold his own there would never of been a 2nd, 3rd, 4th, or even 5th movie. He would of died in the 1st. He has proven he can hold his own and by saying he cant you ARE bashing on him. Why cant you just put the two together honestly in the given scenarios and try to come up with a decent description of what you think might go down in each round?
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H2H Martin 9.7/10
CQB Martin 8.5/10
Gunfight McClane 7.8/10 (unless Martin has some crazy gun feat I haven't seen, but I haven't seen the films in a while, so yea)
Well since McClane couldnt be KO'd ever, and least of all when he tanks depleted uranium explosions at point blank, gets hit by cars, smashed repeatedly in the face and head with rifle butts, has thousands of bullets and occasional rockets magically avoid him, but survives when shot and even shoots through HIMSELF to nail villains when necessary... yet he can KO guys with one shot, as can his son. (and while his wife never KO'd anyone onscreen, she smashes teeth out in one shot..)
He survives all kinds of falls, can smash through an entire skyscraper's worth of scaffolding and survives car accidents that per crash leave the car spinning at least 11-13 times, through the severity of impact and has fought the most trained guys from every institution on earth without being killed or KO'd once, I can't see what this dude can possibly dream of doing to him... McClane is no frills but absolutely gets the job done every time and anytime. Even his nutsack spawn means death for entire cities now.
He even bends physics and the universal principles such as ramming a 25 tonnes armoured car off of the road with a 3-5 tonnes range rover and ridiculous cartoony stuff like that.
He does hit in DH5 that seems to transcend all known laws of physics/space and time. He even appeared at one point to have gone back to and survived Pearl Harbour, by Pearl Harbour screenfeats...!
Martin is a pale and comparatively empty poser in a copycat franchise.
So yeah I think Mac wins, unless Martin has something up his arse like he can become Unicron, Doc Manhattan or something at will.
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Last edited by Sadako of Girth on Feb 24th, 2013 at 01:32 AM
Ladies a Gents, The McClane factor... -points to Sadako-
He is also a heavily Hard on For McClane Fanboy so dont mind his over done of his idea of McClane Factor though the fact McClane has never been knocked out is entireley true. He can take a beating and has massive dmg soak.
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