And Emma no-sold the mind warp from “Moira”, arguably the strongest psionic among the Legion’s personalities, thus she had to be neutralized in convenient way http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-xraGTiaTK...exepilogue1.jpg
There is also a loophole through which I can get hold on your mind (and kick some of your omega ass) -one personality in your collection belongs to Emma. So this is a section of your mind I know like my own (it IS an extension of my own, sort of) and this will be a perfect site for the breach into your mind.
There are some more points on WHY the amalgam of yours has some problems, but due to space-saving need I will touch it later.
So, a summary of my attack. Psi-attack by forcing you on defense by focusing your psionic-based powers into defensive wall.
Immediately followed by magnetic attack while you recover/block the first one (to destroy Qubit's tech and force your "bricks" on regeneration).
Repeat psionic part if needed.
All while staying intangible and psi-masked and thus protected from your pyrokinesis and space-folding stuff.
First of all, congratulations for my opponent. May the best debater win this...
And then...we being.
Charlotte's post No.1
Honey Badger and the List of Misconceptions
Id, you are quite a clever debater, but every time I debated you (or almost every time) I noted that you go for GRAND plan... like really grand. But give it a hollow support.
Which is good against incompetent debaters, but...sometimes it may be your road to downfall.
A teamup of Rogue and Sage is GREAT powerup/unlock idea... but only in circumstances that pretty much replicate exact conditions of feat. Separate character Rogue is jumpstarted by separate character Sage. Not "A character with Rogue's body, INTERNALIZED Sage's powers and a mind of Lex Luthor wannabe is attempting to jumpstart itself".
If the rules of tournament allowed for "jumpstart then amalgamate", I would have been the first to applaud to your strategy.
But alas. You START your prep already amalgamated.
Disregarding Qubit's mind, you pretty much have a Rogue with one "permanent powerset" only this time it's Sage's powers instead of Ms Marvel's or Sunfire's. AND THIS AMALGAM IS ATTEMPTING TO JUMPSTART ITSELF.
Sage's powers DON'T work INWARDS. She cannot jumpstart the very body that HOSTS its powerset.
In fact, the only Sage's power that was shown to work INWARDS is her psi-defence (by directing all her TP in the shield). Which is a sacrifice of ALL your psionic powers. At least temporary. But this "temporary" is ALL I need to turn your amalgam into an utter piece of waste.
Jumpstarting was NEVER SHOWN to work inwards. It only worked OUTWARDS in all canon cases (Gambit, Rogue, Beast, Slipstream etc.). Don't make this power more overrated it already is.
Once again, the plan would have worked almost perfect had you NOT started the match ALREADY ALMALGAMATED. This way you are left with Qubit and his standard equipment in female body with computer processing powers and some telepathy. Jumpstarting is USELESS once you are amalgamated. If you jumpstart Rogue's body BEFORE amalgamation, then it is another thing.
In fact, I can see from where this misconception goes. In majority of previous tourneys you participated in the amalgamation was done in prep along with other stuff. You DID not start the prep already amalgamated. I gladly agree, that this amalgam would have soloed the tourney under this rule, but here the rules are that you START your prep time already amalgamated.
Now, if by some miracle Id manages to find a proof that Sage or somebody with Sage's power can JUMPSTART a body this power is already INTERNALIZED in, I'll gladly return to debating of your apparent Legion'ness. But as far as I know, Sage is unable to do this.
Another set of problems
Nobody has been jumpstarted TWICE in entire existence of Sage's powers. Once Rogue lost her jumpstarted powers, there was no regain. Her DNA was already altered to open up her "full potential". The first jumpstart was already performed. There is no proof that the second one will achieve the same result.
Oh. And speaking on templates.
That very scan from X-Men Legacy you have posted in your previous match to justify Rogue using several powers simultaneously: http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/163...24_016.jpg.html
Here Xavier tears down those very same templates to allow Rogue's power to progress. We know that Rogue's powers worked differently since this incident.
A. She NEVER internalized anybody's power anymore.
B. She was able to use several powers at once WITHOUT any mess of personalities/memories in her head. Unless she WANTED to absorb the persona's memories.
Thus we have NO PROOF that the templates are still stored in the same way as they were stored before Messiah child incident.
And finally. Legion’s personae are not normal beings that can be absorbed in common manner and stored as templates. Just in case parts 1 and 2 of your plan somehow work. Thus you have no proof that "not living beings in conventional way" are stored as templates.
Those are the most glaring problems I see so far. You have a canon feat, but you are trying to replicate it in conditions so totally different from original that it results in possible total failure.
In order not to fail, you shall prove that:
1. Sage's jumpstarting powers work inwards on the body in which her powers are internalized (Sage's own or some power copier with her powers)
Had they worked inwards, Sage wouldn’t have struggled with Roma’s memories HERE. She’d just jumpstart herself, right? http://s60.radikal.ru/i168/1308/bf/19646f07e1c5.jpg http://s020.radikal.ru/i721/1308/f8/65c7491fe657.jpg
2. Rogue stores templates in the same way after her template "library" was completely altered by Xavier. She’s operating under completely different “software” right now.
3. Legion's personalities are stored as normal templates despite "not being living beings in conventional sense".
Oh. And the omniverse feat was AFTER the link with Panoptychrone or whatever this shit is called. NORMAL UNAMPED Sage level is seen on Roma’s scan above. And this is…not impressive. You added Omega to Legion? Why not just format C your own brain from the start?
In short. You went for VERY FLASHY STRATEGY but left your rear COMPLETELY NOT DEFENDED and free for me to bite in.
Your prep fails on the line
Also. Normal Sage, not amped by breaking multiverse, struggled with Roma’s memory. But you perform even greater infodump here.
I’m afraid your prep will result in the loss of your life for reasons given above.
I can phase through gravity attacks. AND use my psi-based powers during that. Blackhole is HIGHLY USELESS against dimensional phasing. You may end up killing yourself with it as well.
Emma was shown on-panel resisting Moira’s Age of X warp (the persona much more powerful than Styx) and KILLING all the Legion’s personae (presumably including Styx) in “twenty minutes into the future” by Magik. Styx is useless as he is <Moira, and was considered totally killable.
Heh. God your soo predictable. The entire premise of your argument lies on how well your amalgam works, and mine doesn’t. It’s not just going to lie, but you will push it for the reminder of this match. Had you’ve been more subtle, you would sound more convincing. Instead you give yourself away, by twisting scans, fabricating goose hunts, false boasting, and with a lack of reading comprehension.
I can’t blame you, if I was facing a bigger monstrosity than my own, I would do the same, just approach it differently.
Now the BIG JOKE!?! The way our amalgams are built, are similar in so many ways, that for me to enter a denial mode (such as yourself), would be an insult to my own character. So I find it humorous to read, your character wont work for this, and that without glaring at your own. Heh. Anyways, I like your character, from my perspective your character would function, as would mine. Its just that my Amalgam is superior to yours. Now let me go to work, and ease your doubts.
Jump Start: Your fabricating a goose hunt. One that is not required by me to hunt for. By fabricating a requirement knowing, such requirement does not exist. Would evoke me to prove a negative. Instead, I will point out that your logic is flawed.
Why? The basic requirement for jumpstart to work, is for a mutant to be present. In which case, we have Rogue, and perfect documentation of what that jump start did for her. Unless you have a scan that says, jump start can not be self applied. This is a ridiculous request I will not retouch upon.
Same as above. Show me a scan that says jump start can not be applied twice. The jump start was not permanent, but temporary. There is no suggestion that implies, it could not be used again.
I don’t understand your point of argument. Nothing in that scan implies the means of how she mimics her powers have changed. Only that by removing the empty templates, devoid of its memories would allow Rogue power to mature, and grant her greater control over her touch based mimicry.
With that said I want to point out that I am not using her old templates sans this scan (X-Men Legacy 224), all templates presented in my match are from that point on.
I know you’re a foreigner like me, but damn your reading comprehension can be off.
Independent from Roma. Sage was previously suffering from schizophrenia. Sage struggled to contain the memories of Roma, and its personalities due to the fact that Sage own psyche was split (The Dianna Fox persona). Its stated in the scans I posted in prep. The moment, Sage reunited with her split persona (Dianna Fox), she not only processed Roma memories just fine, but overtook Merlyn, and his personalities merging them along with Citadel Computers.
Qubit does not suffer from schizophrenia, therefore you can not apply the troubles Sage went through to him. By using Sage's feat as a direct point of reference, Qubit would claim the memories/personalities raised from Rogue just fine.
Well to be honest a collection touch ups, and changes. Unlike you I actually prepared for an encounter. Minor modification to prep. Switched out various characters, with the very purpose to defang your own character. Specifically Telepathy, and Electromagnetism. And threw in contingency, in for form of a black hole.
What changes did you make darling? Oh yeah NONE. This is what you call being a hypocrite.
One of many possible futures darling. I can play that card as well. Like this possible future, where Legion becomes psychic horror that kills off every mutant save Ruth. Emphasis on psychic, because you are declaring Emma would best Legion in psychic combat. (please log in to view the image)(please log in to view the image)
But the fact remains, that making mental contact while the Styx persona is active would claim your spirit. Unless you have proof that you can defend from his death touch. You just gave yourself away to me.
Funny thing about giving yourself away, Emma has a huge tendency to do just that.
Proof. Where is the proof that you can phase through a Black Hole? Within the event horizon time/space is Twisted..Distorted … with all mater crushed. Dimensional Phasing or not, it’s a rip in space itself.
How do you phase through that....how.......?
And still giving yourself away. You will be drained thanks to Omega/Mimic.
Here let me make a list
You cant phase a black hole, you will be crushed.
You want to make mental contact, but Emma has no awnser to Styx death touch. You will lose your life (literally).
You want use Polaris EM powers against me, yet I have Mimic/Omega to do to you, what they did to X-Man. Yes Thee Shaman X-Man, a much bigger powerhouse than your own amalgam.
This is called checkmate, and I have not even touched how grossly outmatched your are in the sight of True Legion.
This is a “lol, shut up, I’m right ,and my strategy is the bestest ever”.
Sage has NEVER DONE it on herself. No power copier has ever copied her powers and used them to jumpstart himself\herself. It’s like “please find the scan to prove that Beast cannot fly”.
Rogue and Sage were in SEPARATE bodies during this jumpstart. In your case they are SHARING a body. AND there is one thing that explicitly says you cannot do it.
“Jumpstarting” is an alteration of X-Gene. This is why it is not considered an amp and is legal in tourney. By having Rogue as Body and Sage as Powers you basically got yourself TWO sets of X-genes. In the same body. In short. You cannot do anything precisely aimed to Rogue’s X-Gene WITHOUT affecting Sage’s X-Gene. In no showing has Sage shown THIS level of control over her powers.
She even has warned Beast and Rogue on panel that her powers have some…unpleasant side effects due to then not being predicable. Quibit adds nothing to your amalgam to make this work in more predicable fashion.
The thing that jumpstart is an X-Gene manipulation and you got two sets of X-genes sharing the same body, and also the thing that Sage herself never showed any precise control over consequences of her jumpstart… spells doom for you.
I actually reconsider Xavier point. Rogue’s hard drive was cleaned but since then she may have accumulated a new collection of templates. Which may be stored in her body… or in her MIND? Nobody knows…
And Sage’s schizophrenia and Roma episode in context of “terabytes of information in a second” dump is actually VERY relevant… especially considering that the prep time we have is very short (30 seconds) and at least two of templates you’re trying to achieve (Legion and Omega\Collective) are BEST KNOWN for being schizophrenics.
So those scans are actually VERY relevant. A metric f*ckton of information is being dumped into Sage’s mind in very short time period with no time to adjust. This information contains some VERY schizophrenic minds.
Quibit containing one Monet St.Croix level telepath does not validate him holding Omega AND Legion highly schizophrenic minds at the same time.
The one important template of yours I have specific issues with is Mimic. Why? Because templates are stored from PRIMARY powers. Primary power of Mimic is quite redundant in this context – it is power copying. Rogue (a power copier) might end up gaining nothing from it. Mimic is a redundant template.
Blackholes and why they are so cute and adorable
Probably I shouldn’t have started with a line from a handbook but I’ll do so nevertheless.
Dimensional phasing has been ruled as legal in this tourney. And black holes work by ABSORBING MASS. No physical mass left in this dimension = no effect of your black hole on me. It has much better chance to absorb you. One more chance for you to kill yourself with your own strategy.
Martians frequently phase through things phasers like Kitty Pride have no business phasing through. http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a...%20Scans/17.jpg
M’gann phases through Disruptor’s gravity blast. Gets hit only when she becomes solid. http://static.comicvine.com/uploads...4-manhunter.jpg
J’onn (New52 but this case, like Blue Beetle’s one, is applicable since power level and power nature have not changed) phases through Oan defense systems.
Also. You are attempting to recreate one of more HIGH END feats of Phoenix Rachel here. http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16400869/27.jpg.html http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16400871/31.jpg.html
Now let’s remember that Rogue got totally messed up after trying relatively simple mass EMP from Magneto’s powerset. http://imageshack.us/a/img543/7394/1lji.jpg http://imageshack.us/a/img703/3646/kv6v.jpg http://imageshack.us/a/img580/2722/ioky.jpg
A relatively small EMP. Not even on Polaris’ normal level. Black hole is so beyond this that not even She-Hulk regeneration and Quibit’s mental defences will save you from getting messed up. And once you’ll mess up, you get a thing that can kill you much easier than it can kill me. See explanations above (and some below).
Also. You are attempting to create this blackhole using TK. Thus you are releasing incredible amount of ambient psychic energy into the air. And since Martians’ phasing devoids them of physical mass to be absorbed into black hole and since TP can work with phasing… http://imageshack.us/photo/my-image...nx01817nd6.jpg/
And since this is a SKILL… You’re basically sending me ammo to use on you. Your Omega\Mimic combo (providing Mimic is relevant here as template and provided you jumpstarted yourself correctly in prep given 2 X-genes fiasco) will be too busy absorbing back energy you are released in the environment in enormous quantities. While being probably killed by your very own blackhole.
I’ll be using energy I BORROWED from you for my main attack. Isn’t it cute?
Oh. And to put to rest the gravity issue…let’s remember that I also have Polaris who was trained by her father in gravity manipulation\negation. That’ll take care of the rest. http://s49.radikal.ru/i124/1308/e5/ef59d5ca96e7.jpg
“We don’t need no steenkin’ gravity!”
In short:
• My strategy, unlike yours, is proven on each step
• You have no proof that Sage has fine enough control to jumpstart ONE set of X-genes while leaving 2nd ONE completely untouched while they are sharing the same body. If there’s only ONE X-gene, then it is responsible for both jumpstarting powers AND Rogue’s powers. And by affecting it you risk messing both powersets into something unpredictable http://s018.radikal.ru/i514/1308/fa/f21a85e4ffb3.jpg
Here it is clearly stated that a)jumpstarting powers affects DNA as an X-gene; b)it often has unpredictable side effects; c) it is not controlled well enough to select between TWO sets of the X-gene in one body. If you have only ONE set, then it is responsible for BOTH Rogue’s and Sage’s powers. And by attempting to jumpstart Rogue’s powers you’ll mess up Sage’s powers as well.
• You have no proof that Mimic is not redundant even if you can jumpstart yourself properly (highly unlikely, see above)
• I can negate gravity by combining M’gann’s and Polaris’ powers
• I can redirect ambient psionic energy and you released an attack with a magnitude so much over the BEST feat of a jumpstarted Rogue, that you’re bound to lose control. She-Hulk’s regen or not (provided your jumpstart worked properly)
• You a)gave me free ammo; b)did not show how exactly will you survive space battle cruiser-destroying blast, while you are busy sucking back ambient psionic energy which you released attempting to create your blackhole…probably getting killed by it (provided you avoided two X-genes problem)
So for post numero dos, I've decided skip a face to face argument, in efforts to expand on why I feel my amalgam is well built.
Body - Rogue: Within Rogue houses thousands of powers that can be put to effective use, with the proper key, and control.
Mind - Qubit: My choice to provide the control. I needed a proper mind well versed, in handling Sage powers, and consequently the templates that will be activated within Rogue.
Power - Sage: Sage provides the key to unlock Rogues potential, and the tools necessary for Qubit to control both Sage, and Rogues powers.
I don't want to bore you with recycled information. Please refer to Rogue potential in my opening prep/strat.
Mind - Qubit - Control
I get the feeling he is the most neglected in the team, but I really landed a great deal with him. You see drafting Qubit did not give me just Qubit. Qubit had previously compartmentalized Modeus into his mind. This processes essentially adds Modeus knowledge/Experience to his own. Modeus also happened to be a notorious body hopper, who used the abilities just as good as the original if not better. Many times better, more on that in a bit.
As is, Qubit is one of the two smartest people in the Irredeemable verse. The other being Modeus. With their combined intelligence, comes the proper experience in dealing foreign powers. An innate understating. I'll show you a few examples.
Computer Brain: Her mind works in the same way as a computer with unlimited storage capacity, only much faster. She is able to perform several mental functions at once without losing focus on any of them. Also, it allows her to instantly recall specific information with incredible speed and accuracy. She's able to store everything that she experiences in a photographic memory and retrieve it immediately without the typical human pause for thought. The sheer speed of her thoughts lead into augmenting her analytic ability so that she is able to make snap decisions about her surroundings and create complex scenarios at that same speed. As such, Sage is able to track the probability of an event by piecing together stored data. http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16468009/12.jpg.html http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/164...2_-_12.jpg.html
Mind (Qubit) + Power (Sage)
I wager that that Qubit innate understanding of things + Sage's Genetic Sight, would ensure that Qubit understands Sages abilities, and Rogues potential on an intimate level. Therefore he would have near instant understanding on the unlocking process through the jump start, with perfect efficiency. The requirement to analyze genetic data, and unlock it would be satisfied to perform a Jump Start.
The follow up to my Jump Start. Qubits ability Compartmentalize + Sages Computer Brain, ensures that once the jump start has followed through, all surfacing persona's will be collected, and absorbed within Sage's limitless storage. When the persona is compartmentalized, its knowledge/experience is ours to claim. Keep in mind that the psionic shielding are already set up, therefore compartmentalization processes happens naturally.
As a direct point of reference. I mentioned that Sage had previously dealt with compartmentalizing thousands personas in Exiles. She did struggle, but only because Sage herself was dealing with her own episode of Schizophrenia. Once she reunited with other self, Sage instantly overtook the memories of Roma, defeating Merlyn, and his thousands of personas claming their knowledge as her own, becoming virtually all knowing, by her own words.
Note 1: With all templates effectively active, and under our control. I am not limited to sticking with just the powers I picked. I can effectively switch them out, and replace them for another as I see fit. As the Jump Start does, grant that kind of control.
Note 2: By gaining True Legion, I not only gain the ability to Warp Reality. I also gain Pyrokinesis, Time Manipulation, Telekinesis, and Telepathy. His Telepathy is among the most monstrous in Marvel Earth. But more importantly, its not just the raw power, but proper experience. Independent from the experiences brought by David, and Legion of Persona's, Qubit counts on the experience gained independently from Legion such as Xavier, Psylocke, Exodus, and Rachel Grey, making my character the most skilled Psy in this tournament.
Note 3: If your wondering If I just ignored, and skipped Charlotte entire 2nd post? Well is she back on her, "nuh-uh you cant self apply jump start!" argument?
Let me take a peak.
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Yes she is.
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Well the judges, and viewers deserve a rest from circle logic. I don't want to recycle an argument. In the mean time, Charlotte why don't you continue to keep digging up flaws in my amalgam, and plea to the judge how impossibility of my claims. We all know that's your only hope to winning this match.
Charlotte's post No.3
Why Honey Badger Sucks in 10 brief points
Jumpstarting problem
Getting a power of mutant with a body of another mutant WHILE also preserving this mutant's X-Gene either gives you TWO X-Genes or makes the same X-Gene to "double-shift".
This is pretty bad news for you, since Sage's powers were NEVER shown to be THAT precise.
The only two times it worked like charm were the cases when she needed to awake dormant powers in beings who had no superpowers/lost their superpowers in the moment (Slipstream and Gambit)
On the contrary, here’s the Cat Beast incident. http://img143.imagevenue.com/img.ph..._122_1111lo.jpg
Sage herself warns Rogue that her jumpstarting powers have side effects which she cannot predict http://img172.imagevenue.com/img.ph...4_122_820lo.jpg
So in two words - WE cannot predict that Sage's powers will do any good with body where there are either two X-genes or one X-gene controlling TWO sets of powers.
Summary for judges: You cannot reliably jumpstart the body with TWO X-genes in it. Qubit KNOWS nothing about X-Gene. He is intelligent, yes, but intelligence only gets you so far. You got Sage’s powers and her knowledge on how to use those powers. Not the knowledge on all things X. And SURE AS HELL NOT you DON'T GET HER BRAIN, HER ACTUAL BRAIN AS HER POWERS.
JUDGES, PLEASE READ THAT. LEO WAS KICKED FROM THE TOURNEY UNDER THE PREMICE THAT HE TRIED TO GOT FANTOMEX’ BRAINS AS MIND AND NOT AS BODY AND THUS “CHEATED”. YOU ARE CLAIMING SAGE'S ACTUAL BRAIN AS POWERS. WHAT THE F*CK?!
Bette’s powers example is USELESS since there’s a chemical composition of her brain that was altered.
Template problems
As far as I know, when Rogue absorbs someone, those personalities go into her MIND. Not in her BODY.
See below.
Hecatomb incident
8 billion people.
All of those are stored in Rogue’s mind. http://imageshack.us/photo/my-image...n199009wh7.jpg/ http://imageshack.us/photo/my-image...n199018dv6.jpg/
Emma enters Rogue’s mind to isolate them. Instead of trying something with her body (she has altered biochemistry before psionically, see scans in my writeup) she went into her MIND for those. http://imageshack.us/photo/my-image...n200026hz5.jpg/ http://imageshack.us/photo/my-image...n200027mu3.jpg/ http://imageshack.us/photo/my-image...n200028xf2.jpg/
When Messiah Child wipes Rogue clean of Hecatomb templates, it leaves the HUSKS of those templates in Rogue’s mind. Those are removed by Xavier (along with intact Mystique’s template) to return Rogue’s access to her abilities. http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/163...24_016.jpg.html
If you claim that he erased MEMORIES… well, that’s almost the most perfect example of denial. Rogue was not left amnesiac by Hope, just... templateless.
Summary for judges: N early every showing mentioning Rogue absorbing some personalities show them go into her MIND. Not her DNA. You don't have Rogue's mind here, and as far as I know, Qubit doesn't keep any templates in his mind.
Qubit’s mental compartment
You parade this feat around so much but it is utterly meaningless.
He got one LOW LEVEL telepath with super intelligence trapped (so much for this super intelligence, LOL). Modeus’ own powers are meaningless. http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/163...36_019.jpg.html http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/163...36_020.jpg.html
This won't work on MULTIPLE Omega level personae you claim. Neither this is anything close to a Thought Wall (which Emma's psi-fu (c) was enough to break).
Summary for judges: Quibit is useless
Sage's omniverse feat http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/163...CP_024.jpg.html http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/163...CP_026.jpg.html http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/163...CP_026.jpg.html http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/163...CP_027.jpg.html
I’m sorry but this is quite a shortcut you are doing here.
We have ONLY 30 seconds of prep.
Sage was fighting Roma’s infodump (complete with split personality of Diana Fox WHO ended up beating Merlin in the end) for 5 freakin' issues.
And that’s how it started. http://s60.radikal.ru/i168/1308/bf/19646f07e1c5.jpg http://s020.radikal.ru/i721/1308/f8/65c7491fe657.jpg
Psylocke finds Sage roughly 30 second after this infodump. She can BARELY hold this information. Sage's dual personality with Diana Fox has NOTHING to do with Sage’s inability to process MILLENIA of years worth of information instantly.
Summary for judges: Omniverse feat is good but it required Sage to fight those phantasms back and forth for 5 frigging issues. And 30 seconds after infodump proper she was kneeling in pain.
Here are the recap links with brief chronology (if anybody cares to read them). http://uncannyxmen.net/db/issues/sh...sp?fldAuto=4791
Post No.4
In case judges believed every piece of BS Id said about his prep…
Black hole. Of logic
Now, let’s imagine the judges were too blind and ignored the points above.
You are trying to create a genuine blackhole complete with a f*ckton of virtual mass to sustain it. http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16400869/27.jpg.html http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16400871/31.jpg.html
First of all, a jumpstarted Rogue never tried anything so energy consuming. She was downed by using a simple EMP. http://imageshack.us/a/img543/7394/1lji.jpg http://imageshack.us/a/img703/3646/kv6v.jpg http://imageshack.us/a/img580/2722/ioky.jpg
Yes, she was tired from using multiple powers before. But she used rather weak powers. Cyclops, Iceman and Storm are all strong mutants, but her showings with their powers...were rather weak. http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/162...3_-_05.jpg.html http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/162...3_-_06.jpg.html
To compare. To create ONE proper blackhole you need the amount of energy that you'll get from using all the deuterium in Earth’s oceans for fuel. So in all likeness you’ll burn out with your VERY FIRST attack.
Why blackhole is good for me.
While Martians phase, they are mass-less. Their mass is shifted into another dimension. That is what allowed J’onn (SAME physiology as M'gann's, the difference between them being the difference between peak human Olympic champion and average schoolgirl) to effortlessly pass through the most advanced security system in Galaxy, that of Oa. They shift ALL their mass to the another dimension. http://static.comicvine.com/uploads...4-manhunter.jpg
As for energy component still present, I can always take care of it with Polaris’ powers thus staying perfectly safe while you’re losing control and probably are getting sucked into your blackhole. http://s49.radikal.ru/i124/1308/e5/ef59d5ca96e7.jpg
Also, creating the blackhole with TK powers gives me free ammo to use on you since you're releasing an incredible amount of ambient psionic energy for me to redirect on you (this is a skill). http://imageshack.us/photo/my-image...nx01817nd6.jpg/
Summary for judges: I'll survive a blackhole due to Martian phasing leaving my amalgam massless added with Polaris’ energy manipulation, while my opponent risks losing control since the energy output of this feat is WASTLY beyond whatever the jumpstarted Rogue ever did.
Omega level failure
First off. Mimic is useless. He is a power copier. Rogue is a power copier. Mimic is a redundant template.
Second. Let’s look close at a feat http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/163...5_0016.jpg.html http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/163...5_0017.jpg.html http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/163...5_0018.jpg.html http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/163...14-005.jpg.html
Mimic copies Pointer’s power. So in essence you can’t repeat this feat with one character at your disposal? How do you imagine it will look like? One Rogue's template copies powers from another Rogue's template while being itself copied into Rogue? The only time I've faced something that crazy was Darkcrawler's Infinite Jubilee. Only back then it were Mimic and Synch copying Jubilee's powers back and forth, not Mimic and Rogue. Same s*it, different pair of muties.
Also, Pointer is useless. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michae...er_%28comics%29
His draining ability works only on MUTANTS.
The only true mutant in my amalgam is Emma Frost, who luckily is a mind character, providing skills and possession of M'gann's body.
Miss Martian is an alien.
Polaris’ powers were altered by Apocalypse to the degree she short circuits drainers designed by Shi’ar (who fought X-Men countless times) to absorb mutant energies. http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a...ker_001_016.jpg http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a...ker_001_017.jpg
I was saving those two for PG. But I think they'll be fine for you.
Summary for judges: Mimic is utterly redundant power copier and Pointer got nothing to drain except for your own templates.
You'll also probably get nasty magnetic feedback courtesy of Polaris’ powers. Like this level of nasty. http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a..._5_DCP_0004.jpg
Sticking with Styx
Providing you are still alive somehow and managed by some miracle not to f*ck up in your very prep…aka provided judges were totally blind to stuff above.
Well. Nobody out-mind-fu’es Emma Frost!
In fact, a Hecatomb feat gave me an idea: http://imageshack.us/photo/my-image...n200026hz5.jpg/ http://imageshack.us/photo/my-image...n200027mu3.jpg/ http://imageshack.us/photo/my-image...n200028xf2.jpg/
I’ll simply start herding personae. You’ll be pushing Styx towards me. I'll be using your weaker redundant personae as human shields. Legion has a ton of low level personae, like this superstrong fat lady, which I’ll be hiding behind of/tossing towards Legion. Once I fed you enough of your own bullsh*t, I'll simply jump out of your mind.
Emma broke though Though-Wall which is>>>>> Qubit's defences. http://imageshack.us/photo/my-image...n003004tj2.jpg/ http://imageshack.us/photo/my-image...n003007vg5.jpg/ http://imageshack.us/photo/my-image...n003008xe8.jpg/
She was also immune to Moira who is > Styx http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-xraGTiaTK...exepilogue1.jpg
Emma dominated Rachel Grey on astral plane, and M’gann has beaten her older self in astral fight soundly. So once I’m over with having fun with your mind, I'll simply jump away into physical reality and either nail you with ambient psionic energy you're releasing or with battleship-destroying magnetic blast.
Summary: Qubit’s defenses are woefully inadequate for someone of Emma’s caliber, and adding Sage's defenses to them (which will shut down any psi-powers of yours, including Styx) will not give you anything approaching Thought-Wall. Hecatomb feat also shows I’ll be dictating the terms of engagement… and if by same miracle you prove that templates are in your ACTUAL physical body and not in your mind - there is a metric ton of fodder ones.
GRAND SUMMARY:
1. My opponent’s strategy hinges on a ton of assumptions (Sage being able to deal with jumpstarting an X-Gene which controls essentially her own power safely, templates contained in Rogue’s body instead of her mind, Sage’s brain counting as her powers, Qubit, despite containing one Monet level telepath, having enough powers to contain 2000+ personae while surviving powerful psi-attack, Sage, despite it took her 6 issues to perform the omniverse feat, being capable of containing Legion AND Collective in 30 seconds etc.) and he made really poor choice of attack (black hole is useless on me thanks to M'gann and Polaris' powers, Pointer is useless since he drains only mutants and I'm using powers of an alien and of a Horseman with artificially grafted powers, Styx is his last resort and he can easily be avoided).
2. My strategy of unlock is pretty straightforward and was proven on each of its three steps. I'll make a recap of it from post 2 which Id so hastily ignored as nonsense blabbling:
So yes, Genetic Sight, and Computer Brain comes with the drafting Sage as powers. Neat Huh!?!
OBJECTION!.
I've been following all the topics created by Curry in regards to this tournament, at no point did he ever mention that that drafting a mutant power adds an extra X-Gene. If you are claiming that there is such technicality, than Burden Of Proof falls squarely on your shoulders. Please quote Curry on such ruling/technicality.
Otherwise, your simply fabricating technicalities that don't exist. Its a nice way of me, calling you a liar.
Again Where is the Proof that drafting a mutant power adds an X-Gene? Show me where Curry specifies such technicality.
You see your logic does not add up. What if the body I drafted was entirely artificial, like Warlock (Technarchy) can an X-Gene be added than? Of if I drafted DCnU Majestic for powers, does that add a Meta-Gene to the existing body?
You see the paradox it creates? Regardless, such ruling was never declared. And as such I treat the powers draft as an auxiliary, or at best an extension over an existing mutation.
Bingo! There is only one x-gene, Rogue X-Gene. And because Marvel Womens' power was not affected by the Jump Start, than it draws parallel to Rogue now with Sage powers.
Sage claims risks in using jumpstart, when she was uncertain of the result on that point of time. However this is why I am using cannon feats. I am not applying a jump start on a random mutant. We are applying it to Rogue, and we know the results that would yield from it.
Thats the neat thing in using cannon feats, it washes away ambiguity from string logic.
When you draft a body, you get her entire body including the physical brain of the draftee.
When you draft the mind, you drafted the conscious mind. It doesn't replace the physical brain.
Since the physical brain of Rogue's is not replaced, than the templates stored in her brain remain.
Well if your going to draw an analogue Its actually 3 Monet St. Croix telepaths; As Sage, Qubit, and Modeus all demonstrated low level psionics.
However thats not my point of argument. I am parading Qubit Compartmentalization + Sage Computer Brain.
Your claim contradicts the absolute need to own high level telepathy when Sage alone contained former Omniversal Guardian Merlyn, and thousands of personalities just fine.
Moot Points
Because Moot Points Are Moot
Moot Point. I am recreating a feat, that coupled Omega/Mimic to create a powerful siphon. Had I referenced said feat, and omitted Mimic, you would be bitchin of the omission, waving another flag of impossibility.
Moot Point. She Hulks healing factor grants sufficient stamina, to operate at peak level for 48 hours strait before hitting fatigue.
The difference, Styx is also grafted onto my power, therefore direct mental contact equates to the forfeit of your life.
Moot Point. I drafted Rogue for a body. Which means I get both Body, and her Brain.
Moot point. The revelation the only way to beat the persona's, and claim the knowledge for her own was for Sage and Diana to become one. In which they do just that in mere moments.
Moot Point. A true testament of Rogue mutant ability attaining a mature state. Your overlooking that independent from Sage, or Qubit. Rogue handled Legion and Omega just fine.
Concluding
Just something to keep in mind, Polaris truly is irrelevant before me.
Black Hole: Your attempting to beat the damn thing, using minor gravity negating feat, and phasing through solid matter. I am not sold, and as such it is proving to be a big factor to overcome.
Mimic & Omega Siphon: If such attempt was as rubbish, and redundant as you claim. Why have this been one of the main focus for the past 4 posts? Oh because its a cannon feat, and an effective strategy, that if can not do away with, would equate to huge loss. Draining Lorna of her powers, equates to K.O. or worse Death.
Styx: Mental Contact, means I draw out your spirit. You've caught on to this, so now your looking for a way to beat it. But fact remains, that you are attempting to breach my mind, and engage in astral combat. In which it will be impossible to avoid the effects of Styx, thus add on to your impending doom.
Well, THAT facepalm-tastic excuse for rebuttal is the best you got? Come on, darling. You can do much better. You are not a Serena Williams I expected. More like Ms Radwanska. In other words… a perfect material for trashing.
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Of course, darling, Carol Danvers’ powers WON’T be affected by Sage’s jumpstart. A jumpstart is a manipulation of X-gene (it was ALLOWED under this principle for not technically being an AMP which are BANNED in this tourney). It doesn’t work on non-mutants. Like Ms Marvel (not Marvel Woman), who was altered by Kree device and is… NOT a mutant. But hey, you seem to have some problems from distinguishing a mutant from an alien\X-gene-less metahuman as evident by your Pointer lulz-tastic “strategy”.
It seems you still treat your amalgam as THREE separate parts. Like claiming all three of your characters’ Mind feats for your amalgam. You may end up with 3 sources of Powers with right drafts (like PG and Digi did, I got 2 and a half since I have a member of a telepathic race for a body). But no way in hell you can have 3 Minds.
You have a technopathic genius (with no experience of possession or handling exotic superpowers or processing tons of information in seconds) in a body of one metahuman (whose non-physical powers are SHUT down as a rule and whose memories are erased, otherwise it will make no sense to have separate Mind AND Powers pick) with a powers of ANOTHER metahuman who has NO “canon feats” of doing ANYTHING to HERSELF using those powers.
And that’s where we enter a lulz-land.
Would you be so kind to present those canon feat of self-jumpstart, since in all scans I saw Sage took her sweet time to look in subjects eyes, her genetic SIGHT is an actual sight that requires a visual contact with subject’s FACE (not its hand or ass). Does she need a mirror to look into her eyes? Is it that old trick with hypnotist hypnotizing himself over shiny glasses? Cut it out, if you won't show those "canon feats" your entire Unlimited Powa goes poof.
And since you DON’T have Sage as a MIND character, you don’t have her possible MEMORY of Rogue’s genetic makeup… Qubit is not a genetics expert and knows NOTHING on the X-gene. The only way you can prove it somehow is if Sage, like Emma, had some feats of manipulating her OWN body. But she has no “canon feats” like this. No. Null. Niente. Only reinforcing her psi-shields at cost of her own power.
Sage’s brain (if you got it as power) only grants him the processing speed (and going by Qubit’s mental feats his own MIND is in no way more competent in handling information on this speed than Sage’s own MIND – and we all saw Sage’s shape 30 seconds into Roma info-dump). Qubit has no feats to justify him suddenly having MEMORIES of Rogue and Sage. He is your Mind draft, so please stick with HIS feats.
So essentially you say that you have Rogue’s memories as well. Is that allowed? They are not stored in some ORGAN. Those are parts of her MEMORY. As evident by telepathic characters (Xavier, Emma, Hope) being able to isolate them and manipulate them.
Here’s what allowed as a BODY under this freakin’ tourney rules.
I capitalized on “innate abilities” of the alien race, drafting an expert in POSSESSION who has also worked with WEIRD ALIEN MINDS and performed psychic surgery on HERSELF by manipulating her own body functions psionically for a Mind character. You… did something strange.
1. Rogue’s absorption powers are NOT physical powers like SPEED, STRENGTH, REGENERATION and STAMINA. Especially NOW when she can CONTROL them. With UNCONTROLLABLE powers you at least can make a case. Thus they are dormant. OK, jumpstart CAN reactivate them. But then you’ll be spending your precious self-jumpstart (if you CAN do it) to access Rogue’s proper powers. And if there’s something Sage has NEVER EVER done in her entire history is PERFORM TWO JUMPSTARTS in a row on the same body.
2. You need to prove that your MIND character is CAPABLE to handle exotic powers, even if you got templates stored in brain as ORGAN and not MEMORIES. Being able to contain one low level telepath =\=being able to handle 2000+ beings AND make them work the way you wish (Styx and True Legion are not exactly friends with each other in case you forgot). Qubit has NO Sage’s and Rogue’s memories to aid him, not a psychometric to get access to them and the task you want him to do is way beyond his paygrade.
Proved bullshit in post above. It's like sucking your own dick and claim it makes it longer. Mimic is a POWER COPIER. A Rogue’s template copying another template (provided they got it, Rogue never absorbed Weapon Omega AFAIR) = FAIL of Paper Tiger Hall of Fail Level. Infinite Jubilee is not the only inhabitant of it now.
Also, the “siphon” worked not because they were siphoning psionic energies. Pointer absorbs MUTANTS. My character is an ALIEN with HORSEMAN UPGRADE with only “mutant” part being MIND who only provides skills. WHAT is Pointer going to absorb exactly, he's not a generic energy drainer? Unless your amalgam pulls his containment suit from its ass the answer is most likely…your own amalgam. And this is while you are attempting to use blackhole on massless character who is able to control gravity interaction with EM energies.
BEST WAY OF SUICIDE EVER.
I'm not sure how you’re going to make that work. Legion personas really not immune to each other. They fight and even kill some. True Legion and Styx are enemies. Are you going to use Qubit stuff to graft Styx somewhere? Wouldn’t that expose him in the first place? And HOW is Qubit going to make Styx and TL cooperate (if you got them. Remember, NO Rogue’s memory).
Well her mind maybe. But here we don't have her mind. And Qubit’s mind really is not prepared to deal with thousands of entities, which mostly way more powerful than one low-level psychic.
Summary
1. Qubit NEEDS Rogue’s and Sage’s MEMORIES to perform what he does. He got none and is your ONLY Mind. No templates and no “jumpstarting Rogue by memory” since he has NO those memories. And no proof that “genetic sight” works inwards. "Remembering Rogue's genetic map" is not the stuff you normally get as Powers.
2. No proof of self-jumpstart and this will likely be used only to REACTIVATE Rogue’s powers in first place. Not to EVOLVE them. She’s a BODY pick, her powers are the result of X-gene and not RACE-specific (unlike robot or alien drafts many of us made), and thus her non-physical powers are not active by default.
3. Blackhole is so >>> what evolved Rogue EVER done in her entire history that using it on MASSLESS character with control of EM\gravity interaction = suicide.
4. Pointer drains only MUTANTS. My character is an alien with Horseman power (and memories and skills of a mutant, but that’s not drainable). Without containment suit he’ll likely kill your own amalgam.
5. Styx and TL hate each other guts. How is Qubit (your ONLY Mind pick, remember that) is going to have them COOPERATE and AMP each other? If he got them
6. Suicidal plan. Claiming all sets of memories when you got only Qubit. Who has never contained anybody stronger that Modeus (who has the powers of M minus her brick abilities). Guess Infinite Jubilee is dethroned from the Paper Tiger of the KMC Position). Self-jumpstart fiasco.
7. My strategy is proven on each step and is much more coherent, being possession based and not needing EXACT MEMORIES from my Body and Powers to work.
Good luck, darling.
Sage swapped bodies with Nocturne. Despite the absence of Sage's conscious mind. Nocturne acknowledges that Sage's memories still reside within Sage's body, if locked away.
That scene draws parallel to the current situation. I have Rogues body, with Qubit's conscious mind. The templates that store powers/memories of the persons Rogue has absorbed, are locked away within Rogue's body (Brain). The tournament allows a person circumvent their way into gaining said memories/abilities, so long as you have the means. As my luck would hold, Jump Start does that, which is approved by the Currman himself.
Stop twisting your logic around, to miss the point.
Rogue is a Mutant. And despite Mis Marvel powers being an extension of her own through Rogues mutation. They where left intact. Going by a cannon example, Sage powers would be left intact as well, since the Jumpstart used on Rogue, promoted the activation, and control of her templates.
Sorry but you just lost me on having the need to perform two Jump Starts. Why would I? The Jump Start not only activates the templates, but grants control. I mean, that's specifically what Rogue asked for. (please log in to view the image)
Refer to post #2. The part where Qubit had previously compartmentalized Modeus, and gained all his wisdom.
Yes the same act you previously fraud upon, and deemed it useless. Well Modeus, spent the entire Irredeemable run body hopping, possessing the likes of the Meta Humans, Aliens, and Artificial life forms.
For some reason, your pick gets the nod, and label it an instant successes in handling the powers-abilities of Lorna/M'gann. Yet I hold up the same exact same explanation as yours, with the added fact that Sage provides innate tools to alleviate Qubit understanding. And suddenly you shift yourself in complete denial. How humorous.
Your overlooking one fact. The compartmentalization are being done on Templates not individuals. With a computer mind of Sage's caliber, I can do just that, because she previously did just that, and much more.
Templates hold memories/powers of said individual yes. But are not individual themselves, the way Styx-True Legion are.
Regarding Jumps Start & Genetic Sight: From what I gather, all thats required to execute a "Jumpstart" is to perceive the genetic potential, by analyzing said person's DNA as shown here: (please log in to view the image)(please log in to view the image)
The processes of Cataloging the DNA + Jumpstart took place in one page. What you fail to realize is Sage herself is not a super genius in the same caliber as Qubit/Modeus, and relied entirely on her analytical mind to perform said feat. As such, I dont understand why Qubit with Modeus wisdom, would not be able to replicate said feat, if they count on her Genetic Sight + Analytical Mind to understand the genetic potential within them. These are the same persons that understood Plutonian potential, and realized Bette Noir staggering power.
My Concluding Observations
You arguments where all over the place, you had difficult time maintaining a key point. At times retracting your statements, other times just plain rambling. Focusing on your replies in regards to Omega/Mimic alone, I could gather them up, and they would add up paragraph worth of an incoherent ranting.
You declare that if the Jumpstart is possible, you would have no way defeating me. Yet you still argued points of victory even if you considered the jumpstart a successes.
Much Patronizing on your part. You declare my amalgam would have been a successes if Rogue/Sage where separate individuals, Jumpstarted, than amalgamated. And then argue, how impossible it is to apply a Jumpstart on Rogue at all.
You demanded a scan, and declared you would not address my amalgam with Jumpstart. Unless that specific demand is met. You still went on to address my amalgam with the Jumpstart.
According to you, Emma will be able to use M'gaans abilities, and Lornas power just fine due to her innate understanding, thanks to her experiences through her body hops. But I get a fierce "No You" remarks, despite the fact that Qubit with Modeus wisdom, has dome much of the same. I find it amusingly hypocritical.
You mimic what I post. If I structured my post in a certain manner, centering the lettering, making vb coded list, you would replay in a similar structure. When I went in detail explaining how and why my Amalgam worked. You replied why yours work, despite the fact that I never really pointed out flaws within it.
Those are just some of the small patterns I noticed, when I read your replies. But in the end, we both know that if my Amalgam is deemed successful. The Honey Badger is going to choke the life out of Queen of Emeralds, much like how Scott chocked the Phoenix Force out of Emma Frost. But not before I take your ear.
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