This is a newer version, based on any and all evidence up to date. I've not been watching the Clone Wars cartoons so I'm uncertain if anything has come up to change the previous beliefs behind this match up.
It is for all intents and purposes neutral (no home court advantage).
I think those fights show how powerful Skywalker is as of the Clone Wars. Not how weak Dooku is. Dooku's still the guy who fights off Yoda in AOTC, the guy who stomps ROTS Kenobi with a flick of the wrist, and was the Jedi Temple's most learned and strongest student.
Nah. Makashi's the best form for fencing.
He's easily the 3rd most powerful Jedi after Yoda and Mace during the Clone Wars.
I misread this and thought you meant Mace very narrowly defeated Skywalker. Not sure why I'd not second-guess such a thing, but I am at work and thus distracted somewhat.
He does. In fact, everything points to Anakin being like a kind of refined Opress; amazing raw strength, no refinement. However, it baffles me as to why he can "overcome" Dooku and not Obi-Wan, when the Force disparity between those two is mind-boggling.
I think the reason why is George Lucas sucks at power balancing and writing.
It's because Obi-Wan's defensive capabilities are greater than Dooku's, and Anakin was in a screwed up mental state when he fought Obi Wan, and was Zonakin when he killed Dooku.
__________________ ”You presume limits to my power. There are none.”
1. Obi-Wan had zero defensive skills against Dooku. Dooku used precise strikes and grace, whereas Anakin is more straight-forward. If this were actually true, Obi-Wan could defend against Dooku; he can't. So why can Obi-Wan hold off Anakin for like a billion hours?
2. How much of Anakin's mental state affects his fighting is debatable, considering that he wants to kill Dooku when they fight, and he wants to kill Obi-Wan when they fight. Unless you want to say that Anakin is 'emotionally exhausted and thus unable to muster his full skillset'.
3. Zonakin is clearly PIS personified. I'm not even sure how to evaluate such an entity.
The best thing is how Lucas writes in the script that Obi-Wan and Dooku were tired but Anakin wasn't, despite Obi-Wan fighting for literally 10 seconds. Then he fights Anakin for 30 minutes straight.
Selective tiredness. Also, GL writes the prequels like some 14 year olds write fan fiction, it's disgusting. If it wasn't a high budget trilogy preceded by a fairly solid OT (over which GL did not have total control but instead had other directors and editors), I'd never have bothered.
1. In the force maybe, however I don't think Dooku could penetrate Obi Wan's lightsaber defenses. He can hold off against Anakin because a) he was emotionally screwed up and therefore unable to tap into his true raw power, hence why he and Kenobi stalemated in a force push, and b) he knew Anakin's moves inside and out.
2. If his mental state is extremely screwed up, he can't tap into all his raw power, while he did do so in his Zonakin state, making Dooku into a "joke".
3. I guess it's almost like a one-time thing where he tapped into all his raw power to simply overwhelm Dooku and make into a complete joke.
__________________ ”You presume limits to my power. There are none.”
This seems like speculation. Can you back this up with proof?
Also, Dooku could very easily toy with Obi-Wan. If you watch the RotS fight in detail, the level of dominance is not much far off from AotC. And saber technique is not divorced from Force use since the fights we base our decisions on include both.
Proof of this please.
Yes, I'm aware of the argument. But it seems like you are not familiar with it on anything but in a passing sense.
According to the original script, which GL shat all over. Originally, Mace versus Sidious was going to be done professionally, with actual sword masters instead of two old actors, giving us a high level of awesomeness like watching Dooku fight. Instead, GL overrode that. GL also omitted Yoda's original fight with Sidious, which drastically changes how we perceive their strengths.
Oct 17th, 2013 07:07 PM
