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Question fingolfin the "godlike fighter"

I've had a debate on an other forum with fingolfin involved. and it seems like everybody treats him like he was some kind of god just because he was able to wound morgoth a couple of times and maim him for his life. he suffered a terrible death. he wasn't better then any other elf, my opinion. the bed wound on morgoth was because of fingolfins sword ringil. I bet if aragorn had fought morgoth the exact same thing would have happened. but can you come up with any reason why many see fingolfin as the best swordsman and fighter in arda ever. and I hate to say it but there seems to be a lot of fanboys in fingolfins favour. so tell me what so good about him.


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Well I at least don't see him as a god like fighter or all powerfull. I guess he was pretty good, probably around one of the best fighters of middle-earth, but not near anything beyond of what a normal elf COULD become really...


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Thanks, that was the answer I was looking after. He probably is comparable with Aragorn and such, but he is not the best sword fighter ever walked arda.

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Fingolfin had to be pretty good even to wound a weakened Morgoth seven times. But Fingolfin I don't see Fingolfin being the best swordsman on Middle-Earth. I actually see Aragon being better then him for Aragon was taught by the Elves.


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I agree very much with you ESB!


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well we know a lot more about aragorn then fingolfin but still, yes I agree. I also thing aragorn is better.


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I dont know what you all are talking about.

Samwise was obviously the best swordsman. Melkor's just lucky he didn't have to fight any hobbits during dagor somethingoldladyhacks or he would have been screwed a long time ago.


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I dont know what you all are talking about.

Samwise was obviously the best swordsman. Melkor's just lucky he didn't have to fight any hobbits during dagor somethingoldladyhacks or he would have been screwed a long time ago.


yeaaah, samwise is trained by his father

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Fingolfin was not even the most powerful elf, that was Feanor. And the battle between Fingolfin and Morgoth occured after Morgath was virtually powerless.


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can you prof thats feanor is the most powerful?

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Feanor was the most gifted in the crafts as taught to the Noldor by Aule (Mahal as he was called by the Dwarves) Feanor probably had the most raw power however physical/combat prowess is a different thing. Even after his was slain it is noted that his spirit was so fierce his body was consumed by flame.


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Yeah, it was he who made the silmarills. but this is about fingolfin, and it seems like no one can find a reason for why he's so overated.


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Fingolfin had to be pretty good even to wound a weakened Morgoth seven times. But Fingolfin I don't see Fingolfin being the best swordsman on Middle-Earth. I actually see Aragon being better then him for Aragon was taught by the Elves.

Elves stated to be weaker than when they first came to middle-earth. Few elves of Valinor are left when Aragorn is trained. The Ringwraiths feared Glorfindel far more than they did Aragorn. Plus, I don't think that Aragorn would stand a chance against a Balrog, or he might have tried to help Gandalf. That said, I don't think Glorfindel is comparable to Fingolfin as Fingolfin was great amongst the great elves. However, he is not god like. A few people that are comparable to him would be:
Feanor, Finrod, Maeglin, Fingon, Mablung, Beleg, Ecthelion, Glorfindel of Gondolin, Hurin, Turin, Tuor

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Its debated hotly among people if Glorfindel of Gondolin and Glorfindel of Rivendell are one and the same, whilst it is agreed by many that this is one of those cases where you have to make up your own mind there is a strong case that it seems later Tolkein was not happy that Glorfindel of Rivendell was simply named after the earlier elf and as such had him return from Valinor with near Maia like levels of power thusly why the Wraiths feared him. But as I said it is strongly debated still both the Glorfindel's were very powerful.


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yeah, it's an interesting point of view indeed.


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Elves stated to be weaker than when they first came to middle-earth. Few elves of Valinor are left when Aragorn is trained. The Ringwraiths feared Glorfindel far more than they did Aragorn. Plus, I don't think that Aragorn would stand a chance against a Balrog, or he might have tried to help Gandalf. That said, I don't think Glorfindel is comparable to Fingolfin as Fingolfin was great amongst the great elves. However, he is not god like. A few people that are comparable to him would be:
Feanor, Finrod, Maeglin, Fingon, Mablung, Beleg, Ecthelion, Glorfindel of Gondolin, Hurin, Turin, Tuor




Aragon did try to help Gandalf, as stated in the books he and Boromir stayed to help him, and was about to run out on the bridge, then Gandalf let out a cry and slammed his staff into the bridge, making it crumble and fall.....

Besides, many of the reasons that people can't combat Balrogs is because they don't have the necessary weapons to kill it effectivley....


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Aragon did try to help Gandalf, as stated in the books he and Boromir stayed to help him, and was about to run out on the bridge, then Gandalf let out a cry and slammed his staff into the bridge, making it crumble and fall.....

Besides, many of the reasons that people can't combat Balrogs is because they don't have the necessary weapons to kill it effectivley....

You don't need anything special to kill a Balrog. How else would Ecthelion have killed one? The Balrog was beyond either Boromir or Aragorn to combat and Gandalf knew this.

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"Swords are to no use here". Prove how Echtellion was beyond the fellowship except Gandalf together in combat skills....

And Echtellion had elvish weapons, which were magical. And he drowned Gothmog so....


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