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Logic holes in the illuminati conspiracy theory

(not trying to troll or anything, simply something to talk about and discuss in this case)

1. Why would they leave clues for us to discover? If they want to stay secretive why would they leave a bunch of symbols and such on the dollar bill and other stuff? Wouldn't that give them away? Similar thing with the supposed illuminati celebrities.

2. How do they keep it a secret? How could they manage to keep thousands of people that were involved with helping the survivors of 911 quite? Keeping a secret between 2 people is hard enough. Keeping a secret between thousands of people is virtually impossible.

3. Why would they want to do this? If this conspiracy theory is as old as some people claim, why would a president 60 or more years ago want to help out? The illuminati is generally portrayed as an evil, self centered society, so it probably isn't for the greater good in this case. Yet they probably wouldn't get to live to see the conspiracy unfold. What incentive do they have? Money? Where do they get that money from? Who would want to pay them when they themselves would also not benefit from it?

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(not trying to troll or anything, simply something to talk about and discuss in this case)

1. Why would they leave clues for us to discover? If they want to stay secretive why would they leave a bunch of symbols and such on the dollar bill and other stuff? Wouldn't that give them away? Similar thing with the supposed illuminati celebrities.

2. How do they keep it a secret? How could they manage to keep thousands of people that were involved with helping the survivors of 911 quite? Keeping a secret between 2 people is hard enough. Keeping a secret between thousands of people is virtually impossible.

3. Why would they want to do this? If this conspiracy theory is as old as some people claim, why would a president 60 or more years ago want to help out? The illuminati is generally portrayed as an evil, self centered society, so it probably isn't for the greater good in this case. Yet they probably wouldn't get to live to see the conspiracy unfold. What incentive do they have? Money? Where do they get that money from? Who would want to pay them when they themselves would also not benefit from it?


1. because they want you to know, so you know how inferior you are.
We can use symbols and you can do NOTHING about it sort of thing. Also some claim thereīs an occult connection, not to sure about that one.

2. What are you on about on this one, why would they need to be kept quite all they know is planes hit the buildings, not how why or who was responsible. Watch "loose change" on youtube for more details, thereīs a few mistakes in the documentary, but the majority of the evidence is amazing.

3. Who said it was evil, the Illuminati came about due to the Churches oppression of science and probably no longer exists. The "New World Order" is what you need to worry about, this probably isnīt a group, but a general term for the elite who control the world, ie Bankers like the Rothchilds. And even they probably arnīt evil as they probably think what they are doing is good for mankind and the world.

Iīm not an expert on the subject by the way, this is just my general impression of the situation.

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(not trying to troll or anything, simply something to talk about and discuss in this case)

1. Why would they leave clues for us to discover? If they want to stay secretive why would they leave a bunch of symbols and such on the dollar bill and other stuff? Wouldn't that give them away? Similar thing with the supposed illuminati celebrities.

2. How do they keep it a secret? How could they manage to keep thousands of people that were involved with helping the survivors of 911 quite? Keeping a secret between 2 people is hard enough. Keeping a secret between thousands of people is virtually impossible.

3. Why would they want to do this? If this conspiracy theory is as old as some people claim, why would a president 60 or more years ago want to help out? The illuminati is generally portrayed as an evil, self centered society, so it probably isn't for the greater good in this case. Yet they probably wouldn't get to live to see the conspiracy unfold. What incentive do they have? Money? Where do they get that money from? Who would want to pay them when they themselves would also not benefit from it?


1: its called there sick way of showing us whos in charge. fortunately for them they know the dumbed down public will never catch on.

2: who said thousands of people were in the know on 9/11?? many thousands of people may of carried out specific jobs that helped the conspiracy but i assure you they knew nothing of how there individual efforts contributed to the 9/11 attacks.

for example at a supermarket, if the owners at the top of the pyramid wanted to poison the shoppers and one of the shelf fillers put out the poison food, would he or she be responsible for the poisonings? no because he didn't know how is there contribution is affecting things.

thats how these people work. the elite at the top know everything while as you go furthur down the pyramid, the people or workers no nothing on how there jobs contribute to the big picture.

so in truth its very simple how they achieve there goals.

3: they are like a sub species of our own species. they have an ideology, veyr similar to a religion where they think that humans are cattle and that they need to control us. its what they believe in and it doesn't matter if they will be alive or not at the end of it. that is THEIR RELIGION and goal, and they will fight to achieve that said goal, which is one world government, a population reduction , and micro chipped people. the chip would track everywhere you go and you would not be able to buy or sell without it. this would be an absolute nightmare and people of this age wouldnt stand for it. these elitists are very patient and will wait as long as it takes.

some people suggest they have a 2012 deadline or something stupid like that. the fact is that our generation will probably never see the microchip or world government. it will be out grand kids. and by that time i fear there will be no rebellion left and the elite can finally carry out there goals.

it is very scary and they need to be outed now. before its too late


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1: its called there sick way of showing us whos in charge. fortunately for them they know the dumbed down public will never catch on.

2: who said thousands of people were in the know on 9/11?? many thousands of people may of carried out specific jobs that helped the conspiracy but i assure you they knew nothing of how there individual efforts contributed to the 9/11 attacks.

for example at a supermarket, if the owners at the top of the pyramid wanted to poison the shoppers and one of the shelf fillers put out the poison food, would he or she be responsible for the poisonings? no because he didn't know how is there contribution is affecting things.

thats how these people work. the elite at the top know everything while as you go furthur down the pyramid, the people or workers no nothing on how there jobs contribute to the big picture.

so in truth its very simple how they achieve there goals.

3: they are like a sub species of our own species. they have an ideology, veyr similar to a religion where they think that humans are cattle and that they need to control us. its what they believe in and it doesn't matter if they will be alive or not at the end of it. that is THEIR RELIGION and goal, and they will fight to achieve that said goal, which is one world government, a population reduction , and micro chipped people. the chip would track everywhere you go and you would not be able to buy or sell without it. this would be an absolute nightmare and people of this age wouldnt stand for it. these elitists are very patient and will wait as long as it takes.

some people suggest they have a 2012 deadline or something stupid like that. the fact is that our generation will probably never see the microchip or world government. it will be out grand kids. and by that time i fear there will be no rebellion left and the elite can finally carry out there goals.

it is very scary and they need to be outed now. before its too late


1. Why would they give away clues to their existence simply to gloat? That's rather retarded of them. These supposed conspirators don't seem to be as intelligent as they may appear to be.

2. (note: some of this came partly from websites)

What about the fire departments? They lost many comrades and have an extensive knowledge on this time of thing. Why wouldn't they launch an investigation?

What about the police? Why wouldn't they launch or ask for an investigation?

What about the passengers on the airplane? Isn't that 911 movie mostly true? If there really were missiles that hit the pentagon instead of an airplane, what's up with the phone calls?

What about the survivors of 911 (if there were any)?

What about the widows and widowers?

What about private investigators?

What about the photographers and news people?

What about NIST?

What about structural engineers? How come not one reputable engineer wrote a paper analyzing the 911 attacks?

The people that set off the dentonations.

The airphone people that got calls from passengers.

The Bush Administration



Also, what about the FBI, CIA, FEMA and numerous other people?



Conspiracy theories involving more than a handful of people almost always fail, because it's almost impossible to keep thousands of people quite. Even with only a few people conspiracy theories often times fail, ie the watergate scandal, and I'm pretty sure that Nixon was smarter than Bush.





Also, George Bush would likely be into it, and he wasn't exactly the most competent president ever. I have doubts as to his capability to pull off such a conspiracy.

3. This is a little far fetched and unsupported. Why would so many people of the nation's elite be crazy barbarian orientated in ideals for a stupid, irrational reason and yet at the same time be smart enough to pull off impossible conspiracy theories and elaborate hoaxes?

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[B]1. Why would they give away clues to their existence simply to gloat? That's rather retarded of them. These supposed conspirators don't seem to be as intelligent as they may appear to be.


i dont know you will have to ask them laughing yes they are intelligent and they have obvious motives for revealing there plans through symbology. they are occultists and maybe they have to announce their plans in some measure and somehow gain mass acceptance through deception. then again they are probably just arrogant

2. (note: some of this came partly from websites)

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What about the fire departments? They lost many comrades and have an extensive knowledge on this time of thing. Why wouldn't they launch an investigation?

mm you really should research more
http://firefightersfor911truth.org/

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What about the police? Why wouldn't they launch or ask for an investigation?


they would never allow an investigation of 9/11.

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What about the passengers on the airplane? Isn't that 911 movie mostly true? If there really were missiles that hit the pentagon instead of an airplane, what's up with the phone calls?


look, missiles hitting the pentagon is another conspiracy theory. i never supported that idea anyway. the point is not whether it was a missile or plane but rather who is behind the attacks and thats the important thing to discuss

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What about the survivors of 911 (if there were any)?

what do you mean if there were any? if you dont know the details how can you ask the question.
mm no one survived the plane crash

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What about the widows and widowers?

what about them?

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What about private investigators?


as above

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What about the photographers and news people?


what are you asking me?

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What about NIST?
they are official bullshitter's for the government.nothing they say can be trusted.

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What about structural engineers? How come not one reputable engineer wrote a paper analyzing the 911 attacks?


14 Structural Engineers Now Publicly Challenge Government's Explanation for Destruction of the World Trade Center
14 structural engineers now publicly challenge the government's account of the destruction of the Trade Centers on 9/11:
A prominent engineer with 55 years experience, in charge of the design of hundreds of major building projects including high rise offices, former member of the California Seismic Safety Commission and former member of the National Institute of Sciences Building Safety Council (Marx Ayres) believes that the World Trade Centers were brought down by controlled demolition (see also this)
Two professors of structural engineering at a prestigious Swiss university (Dr. Joerg Schneider and Dr. Hugo Bachmann) said that, on 9/11, World Trade Center 7 was brought down by controlled demolition (translation here)
Kamal S. Obeid, structural engineer, with a masters degree in Engineering from UC Berkeley, of Fremont, California, says:
"Photos of the steel, evidence about how the buildings collapsed, the unexplainable collapse of WTC 7, evidence of thermite in the debris as well as several other red flags, are quite troubling indications of well planned and controlled demolition"
Ronald H. Brookman, structural engineer, with a masters degree in Engineering from UC Davis, of Novato California, writes:
"Why would all 110 stories drop straight down to the ground in about 10 seconds, pulverizing the contents into dust and ash - twice. Why would all 47 stories of WTC 7 fall straight down to the ground in about seven seconds the same day? It was not struck by any aircraft or engulfed in any fire. An independent investigation is justified for all three collapses including the surviving steel samples and the composition of the dust."
Graham John Inman, structural engineer, of London, England, points out:
"WTC 7 Building could not have collapsed as a result of internal fire and external debris. NO plane hit this building. This is the only case of a steel frame building collapsing through fire in the world. The fire on this building was small & localized therefore what is the cause?"
Paul W. Mason, structural engineer, of Melbourne, Australia, argues:
"In my view, the chances of the three buildings collapsing symmetrically into their own footprint, at freefall speed, by any other means than by controlled demolition, are so remote that there is no other plausible explanation!"
Mills M. Kay Mackey, structural engineer, of Denver, Colorado, points out:
"The force from the jets and the burning fuel could not have been sufficient to make the building collapse. Why doesn't the media mention that the 11th floor was completely immolated on February 13th, 1975? It had the weight of nearly 100 stories on top of it but it did not collapse?"
Haluk Akol, Structural Engineer and architect (ret.)
Charles Pegelow, structural engineer, of Houston, Texas (and see this)
Dennis Kollar, structural engineer, of West Bend, Wisconsin
Doyle Winterton, structural engineer (retired)
Michael T. Donly, P.E., structural engineer
William Rice, P.E., structural engineer, former professor of Vermont Technical College
There are many other structural engineers who have questioned the government's account in private. We support them and wish them courage to discuss these vital issues publicly.
http://georgewashington.blogspot.com...-have-now.html

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The people that set off the dentonations.


its not hard to control someone

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The airphone people that got calls from passengers.


what about it? what are you asking me here?

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The Bush Administration


they are puppets with no real power. many of the administration are probably clueless. its only an handful that know whats going on



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Also, what about the FBI, CIA, FEMA and numerous other people?


research it man. its easy explainable



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Conspiracy theories involving more than a handful of people almost always fail, because it's almost impossible to keep thousands of people quite. Even with only a few people conspiracy theories often times fail, ie the watergate scandal, and I'm pretty sure that Nixon was smarter than Bush.


i think you need to research false flag attacks in history. read up on operation north woods. just do some basic digging and you will come up with your own conclusion. its obvious you haven't really research anything so far


and it is relativly easy for the few to control the many.just listen to this man who should know

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JuKttdGoMHY


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1. Why would they give away clues to their existence simply to gloat? That's rather retarded of them. These supposed conspirators don't seem to be as intelligent as they may appear to be.

2. (note: some of this came partly from websites)

What about the fire departments? They lost many comrades and have an extensive knowledge on this time of thing. Why wouldn't they launch an investigation?

What about the police? Why wouldn't they launch or ask for an investigation?

What about the passengers on the airplane? Isn't that 911 movie mostly true? If there really were missiles that hit the pentagon instead of an airplane, what's up with the phone calls?

What about the survivors of 911 (if there were any)?

What about the widows and widowers?

What about private investigators?

What about the photographers and news people?

What about NIST?

What about structural engineers? How come not one reputable engineer wrote a paper analyzing the 911 attacks?

The people that set off the dentonations.

The airphone people that got calls from passengers.

The Bush Administration



Also, what about the FBI, CIA, FEMA and numerous other people?



Conspiracy theories involving more than a handful of people almost always fail, because it's almost impossible to keep thousands of people quite. Even with only a few people conspiracy theories often times fail, ie the watergate scandal, and I'm pretty sure that Nixon was smarter than Bush.





Also, George Bush would likely be into it, and he wasn't exactly the most competent president ever. I have doubts as to his capability to pull off such a conspiracy.

3. This is a little far fetched and unsupported. Why would so many people of the nation's elite be crazy barbarian orientated in ideals for a stupid, irrational reason and yet at the same time be smart enough to pull off impossible conspiracy theories and elaborate hoaxes?


You need to do some more research and get some basic facts in your head before entering a deep discussion on the subject imo.

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Typical debate methods on the subject:

"They want you to know..."

"There is no doubt in my mind..."

laughing out loud You see why I don't lurk here anymore?


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laughing out loud You see why I don't lurk here anymore?


No, why?


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Rather stick your head in the sand like most other peoplesmile

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The idea of controlled demolitions bringing down the buildings doesn't make much sense.

Why have an airplane crash into the World Trade Center then? That adds in another variable that could bust the conspiracy. Why not say that terrorists planted demolitions and brought the towers down?

However, they would have to hire people to do that. How would they keep them quiet? How come not one has spoken out?

Why do the terrorists claim credit for the incident if it wasn't them that did it?

How could missiles have hit the Pentagon instead of a plane if pieces of the plane were found and wouldn't the people in the Pentagon notice that it was a missile if it was?

How could they hire hijackers willing to die? How could they convince the airliners to take in random guys and put them on specific flights?

Also, my third point in the OP is a pretty big one. The conspirators probably wouldn't even live to reap the benefits, and according to most conspiracy theorists they aren't doing it for the greater good either.

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(not trying to troll or anything, simply something to talk about and discuss in this case)

1. Why would they leave clues for us to discover? If they want to stay secretive why would they leave a bunch of symbols and such on the dollar bill and other stuff? Wouldn't that give them away? Similar thing with the supposed illuminati celebrities.

2. How do they keep it a secret? How could they manage to keep thousands of people that were involved with helping the survivors of 911 quite? Keeping a secret between 2 people is hard enough. Keeping a secret between thousands of people is virtually impossible.

3. Why would they want to do this? If this conspiracy theory is as old as some people claim, why would a president 60 or more years ago want to help out? The illuminati is generally portrayed as an evil, self centered society, so it probably isn't for the greater good in this case. Yet they probably wouldn't get to live to see the conspiracy unfold. What incentive do they have? Money? Where do they get that money from? Who would want to pay them when they themselves would also not benefit from it?

firstly i just have to say, if you are getting any ideas from the da vinci code series about illuminati, toss it out, those books are garbage with little basis on science, which plays huge role in anything illuminati, who were simply scientists trying to free themselves and others from the extremely oppressive church, they are not evil, and almost definately do not exist any longer simply because there would be little point, their objective was reached, i don't know if that goal was reached because of them, but science isnt oppressed anymore, well maybe in some places, but nowhere people would give 2 shits about stick out tongue


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firstly i just have to say, if you are getting any ideas from the da vinci code series about illuminati, toss it out, those books are garbage with little basis on science, which plays huge role in anything illuminati, who were simply scientists trying to free themselves and others from the extremely oppressive church, they are not evil, and almost definately do not exist any longer simply because there would be little point, their objective was reached, i don't know if that goal was reached because of them, but science isnt oppressed anymore, well maybe in some places, but nowhere people would give 2 shits about stick out tongue


Yeah; the original Illuminati are likely extinct and were good guys. What I'm referring in this thread is the alleged modern Illuminati conspiracy theory.

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3: they are like a sub species of our own species. they have an ideology, veyr similar to a religion where they think that humans are cattle and that they need to control us. its what they believe in and it doesn't matter if they will be alive or not at the end of it. that is THEIR RELIGION and goal, and they will fight to achieve that said goal, which is one world government, a population reduction , and micro chipped people. the chip would track everywhere you go and you would not be able to buy or sell without it. this would be an absolute nightmare and people of this age wouldnt stand for it. these elitists are very patient and will wait as long as it takes.

some people suggest they have a 2012 deadline or something stupid like that. the fact is that our generation will probably never see the microchip or world government. it will be out grand kids. and by that time i fear there will be no rebellion left and the elite can finally carry out there goals.

it is very scary and they need to be outed now. before its too late


How do you know such intimate details? These details would have had to come from someone within that group.

Also, were do the lizards fit it with this group? Seems like there'd be a conflict, two powerful clandestine groups competing for the same basic goal. Subjugation of the human race.


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how do you know the 'lizards' fit into it? who said they do? its just a theory


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how do you know the 'lizards' fit into it? who said they do? its just a theory


No, how do you know these intimate details about the Illuminati. Sub-race, micro-chips, cattle-religion etc. etc. etc.

I'm asking where the lizards fit into this "theory."


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i think we are looking at this wrong
i think we have a bunch of people who want power over others but their not as organized or smart or as united as we think

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No, how do you know these intimate details about the Illuminati. Sub-race, micro-chips, cattle-religion etc. etc. etc.

I'm asking where the lizards fit into this "theory."


because the evidence is there for all to see. what else do you call a race that is trying to kill its own kind?

as for the lizards, well read david icke im sure he as all the answers for you


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The illuminati conspiracy theories are retarded.


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