This little bait fish has caused the biggest waste of fresh water in all of history. Its not even a spectacular fish, its a fish people use to bait other fishes. The Delta Smelt
This one fish has stopped all of conservation efforts because the enviromental policies are now dumping fresh water into the ocean. This tiny fish has been placed above farmers, food and 1/2 of America's food supply.
Increased water flow to provide for the fish, while farmers, farms and people have been cut off from the supply.
1.4 trillion gallons of fresh water has been dumped into the ocean for this fish.
I can't read the second article (stupid paywall), but in the first article it seems like the growers are asking to draw water away from wetlands to irrigate their crops, which isn't the same as the fish "stealing" the water from farms.
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“Where the longleaf pines are whispering
to him who loved them so.
Where the faint murmurs now dwindling
echo o’er tide and shore."
-A Grave Epitaph in Santa Rosa County, Florida; I wish I could remember the man's name.
So, from my understanding, the argument goes that "dem liberals" are "pumping trillions of gallons of fresh water into the ocean" by...allowing a river to do what a river does and pump water into the ocean. That's some screwy semantics there. I don't think the question should be "is it okay for a river to do river stuff?" it should be whether sustaining the unsustainable agricultural practices that are drying up California is worth wringing out every last drop of fresh water the state has.
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“Where the longleaf pines are whispering
to him who loved them so.
Where the faint murmurs now dwindling
echo o’er tide and shore."
-A Grave Epitaph in Santa Rosa County, Florida; I wish I could remember the man's name.
Of coarse its semantics to you because you are all talk. Again you show you have zero clue on real world problems and just post here to debate a topic which you don't have any stake in to merely play devils advocate and cast doubt on a serious problem.
And I would argue you're oversimplifying the issue by ignoring how the opponents of the environmental initiative are trying to use dishonest rhetoric to reframe the conservationist effort as some kind of anti-agriculture initiative or waste of water.
Rivers flow into the ocean, that's the natural course of things. Framing the blocking of the attempt to divert the water for agricultural purposes as "waste" presumes the validity of the farmers' argument that the water belongs to them for their use and not to the endangered wetlands. The other article you posted in the other thread is even sillier because the writer pretends like stopping the diversion of river water amounts to "liberals" "dumping fresh water" when all they're doing is preserving the natural order of the river and preventing reckless exploitation of a diminishing resource.
California doesn't have the water to sustain its current agricultural projects. The answer isn't to dry up what fresh water remains but to rethink what kinds of crops the state's farmers have been growing. I mean, do we really need pistachios? They're tasty as hell, but no one's going to starve for lack of them.
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“Where the longleaf pines are whispering
to him who loved them so.
Where the faint murmurs now dwindling
echo o’er tide and shore."
-A Grave Epitaph in Santa Rosa County, Florida; I wish I could remember the man's name.
Last edited by Omega Vision on Jun 14th, 2015 at 12:44 AM
Yes because Pistachios are the only thing grown in California. A ignorant answer from a ignorant person.
And I guess its a good idea to you and all these idiots spouting the same nonsense to save this stupid non native fish, now we have to to create more environmental damage and energy waste by creating desalination plants to take the salt water back out the ocean to convert it to fresh water, then just stop dumping the excess fresh water into the ocean. California does have the water if the environmentalists would get off there save the fish foundation.
I guess you didn't think of that one though. Tell me how de sal plants are preserving the natural of order things. I would love to see your reasoning behind this logic. I can see you really don't care, as usual you are here to pit yourself against any logical debate and cast doubt on anything reasonable.
Do you leave your faucet on at home? And then collect rain water to make up the difference? Thats how stupid your idea is.
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It's called an example. Lol. You're just looking for excuses to get angry at me. Take it down a notch already.
If you'd actually paid attention to my post instead of just focusing in one on detail (rather fallaciously too), you'd see that what I'm advocating is that Californian farmers try to better use what water they have rather than extracting from more sources to sustain unsustainable crops including pistachios.
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“Where the longleaf pines are whispering
to him who loved them so.
Where the faint murmurs now dwindling
echo o’er tide and shore."
-A Grave Epitaph in Santa Rosa County, Florida; I wish I could remember the man's name.
At least fish are cool and can do things. Don't we waste a shitload of water on god damn almonds?
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I think it's time to say "screw China they need to get their own hay for a while".
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Funny thing, the farmers feed you. But when you run out of food. I guess it will be their fault too.
You still cant explain your natural order of things, of dumping 1.7 trillion gallons of fresh water in the ocean to help these bait fish. Then taking the ocean water back out with a manufacturing process to make it drinkable. Then again, liberals have always had reverse thinking. So I can see why this makes sense to you.
Then again, those fish seem pretty important to you then 50% of the the food in America, and all you can say is "oh its the pistachio's, blame the farmers."
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