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cruciblethorn
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A conclusive, but not necessarily correct, theory
I was pondering what the Architect was saying here. He says he is counting the number of versions from the emergence of the first one to the second and so on. Would that not mean that there have been 6 ones before Neo and he would be the 7th?
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First One
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Second One - Version 1
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Third One - Version 2
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Fourth One - Version 3
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Fifth One - Version 4
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Sixth One - Version 5
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Seventh One - Version 6
I realize the on screen Neo's say "5 before me" but as Smith has concluded Neo is not using the muscle that matters.
I also know he said this is the 6th time we will have destroyed it but is it not a fact that the very first matrix that "created" the anomaly would not have a Zion in the real world. No one has been unplugged so the first emergence of the anomaly would be set free with the 16 females and 7 males to build a first Zion.
I also realize that the Architect said that Neo's 5 predecessors were based on a similar predication (that is when they became aware of his existence they could design and control his path) . The thing is the Architect is a vain machine (maybe overconfident is a better term or too reliant on the belief that a perfect machine can exert precision in an imperfect world.). Thus I do not think that the first matrix that involved the emergence of the first anomaly was expected nor counted as a version since they did not exert ultimate control over it. The first One took them by surprise and at the last minute they realized who and what he was and developed a solution whereby he would reinsert his code and they would provide a Zion in the real world for them to build and habitate. The machines were lucky in that the First One was probably really lost at what his role was and not all that powerful to begin with. The 5 predecessors do not include the First One but the 5 that came after him of which Neo was the 6th with the addition of the noninclusive First One makes 7 Ones altogether. From there on out and with the next matrix that he considered the True First Version they exerted complete control over the path of The One and his ultimate destiny.
We cannot assume there was a Zion to begin with can we? The Architect does not make it known that the One was realized to become a problem from the beginning of the first matrix that involved choice. Zion does not exist until after the First One reinserts his code and the 23 humans are unplugged who then either goto a place set up for them or begin there own construction of Zion themselves.. Therefore would not 6 Zions later equate to 7 Ones?
I would also like to add something to the fact about the previous ones in that I believe that the machines in their efforts to eliminate the problem of the anomaly would in fact recompile the code of the matrix. I assume any programmer who has bugs tries to work them out then recompiles and "reloads" the program to see if it has been worked out. The path created for the one was a fail safe system of control in case the recompilation did not solve the unbalanced equation and eradicate the problem but I believe that this recompilation in fact made each One more powerful and self-aware of his abilities. It also made his reload code more important (had a additive affect of code after code) thus giving him more power while some of the previous Ones knowledge and abilities were kept in the recompilation due to reinsertion. This would keep to a form of reincarnation of the sort and fall directly in line with some of the religious influence that exists within the movies themselves.
We could almost conclude that the reload code would change with each version. I have read where some believe that 101 relates to the 5th version but in fact the Architect says that this will be the 6th time we will have destroyed Zion and thus we conclude this is the 6th version (of which I believe it is the 7th since I do not think he is counting the first version that resulted in the anomaly due to his vanity). I think that 101 is significant and reoccurring because it is the base code of the First One and that in fact Neo's code could be 707. Did not Morpheus say for over 100 years we have fought this war? Could the original code be based upon the fact that it took the First One 1 year to reach the source after his emergence as the anamoly, hence 101? Thus the code is not based upon binary principles (which are not eluded to much at all) but rather issues of time which is referenced continually through both films. With each additional version the One took a bit longer due to the inquisitive nature of humans. The Architect did say to Neo that his understanding of his elusiveness to Neo's question was faster than the others. I believe this is due to the reincarnated code coupled with the fact Neo took longer and had more time to digest and evolve as the superior One. If we could get a decent timeline going we could probably date the matrix altogether.
My theory lends to the possibility that the effect stacked sequentially....101 202 303 404 505 606 707. With this in mind I believe the Oracle exerted her influence to introduce a Trinity into the path of the One during the 303 code hence we see this code popping up from time to time. One could go as far to say that the reload codes stacked and Neo's code was in fact 2828 giving us factors of 1, 3, 6, 10, 15, 21 and 28 from the original 101 itself. What these numbers could represent I have not determined. Possibly anytime the path of the One has something introduced to it this in effect results is some kind of time based numerical significance. Binary 101 is a strong argument but it does not explain 303. I believe 101 and 303 are linked in some way. Anyways that is just my take on some of it.
Something else I would like to add to this. God created the world in 6 days...and on the 7th day he rested. I personally believe, due to the information above, we are on the 7th version of the Matrix (and the One rests, for now). With the choice of freedom being made available to the plugged in humans, the anamoly (who would be the 8th incarnation) probably will not emerge again requiring Neo to return (2nd coming) to finish the job if the machines go against their word or some new threat endangers humanity.
This ties into my theory on the Crucifixion of Neo:
This movie is simply an age old story being retold. Revolutions is nothing less than the crucifixion of Christ. Now before you run off, let's ponder this a minute. Everyone thinks that Neo *died* and was raised from the dead in the first Matrix film, not so. When Christ was crucified he was The One when he went on that cross. Neo had to die to his flesh and be reborn into The essence that is The One then he had to die for mankind as The One. Mt. Zion is where he ascended and where he shall return so anyone who wants to say the Christ parallels have been played out and over analyzed just remember that it was Zion the WB's used for the last free city of mankind. So in the end all the WB's have done is retell his story. Look at the end when Neo is fighting Smith. Imagine Smith being the Jews who want his blood and the machines being the Romans who are unwilling/unable to intervene and stop the slaughter. Hell, Neo gives up to Smith but conquers him in the end....same as Christ did for the Jews(for those of us who believe he was resurrected). The inhabitants of Zion are his disciples, his people, believers and unbelievers alike and it is for them that he was willing to die. Trinity was already dead. And although I think her death was poor scripting she had to die so that there would be no humans to journey to the battle that was Neo's cross. He had to be alone and abandoned and he *died* thus. I wonder if the fact that Revolutions and Crucifixion both have 11 letters in them is mere coincidence.
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Nov 10th, 2003 07:47 PM |
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Ushgarak
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Errr... the Architect said that THIS was the Sixth Version of the Matrix. Six Matrices, Six Ones, five Ones before Neo. Simple as that. Don't read any more into that, that is pointless over-complication. Your version has Seven Matrices- that denies what is said on screen.
For all we know there might have been a Zion, or Zion equivalent the first time. People were rejecting the scenario in droves, One or no One. It's all speculation.
That Christ allegory is becoming rather old and tiresome now. Matrix is more encompassing than that, it simply uses elements of all sorts.
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"The story of King Nebuchadnezzar can be found in the book of Daniel, in the old testament of the Bible. Daniel, named Belteshazzar, interpreted dreams and visions for four kings, the first King being Nebuchadnezzar.
In Daniel, chapter 4, we find King Nebuchadnezzar troubled by his dreams. God is about to humble this King, and sent His servant Daniel to pronounce sentence on Nebuchadnezzar. The King hears his sentence from God, "Let his mind be changed from that of a man and let a beast’s mind be given to him and let seven periods of time pass over him" (Daniel 4:16).
As we read the remainder of Daniel chapter 4 we find that, indeed, the King lost his mind for seven periods of time and acted like a beast in the field. Nebuchadnezzar learned his lesson well, and Daniel 4:34 records, "But at the end of that period, I, Nebuchadnezzar, raised my eyes toward heaven, and my reason returned to me, and I blessed the Most High and praised and honored Him who lives forever; For His dominion is an everlasting dominion, and His kingdom endures from generation to generation."
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i saw this in the "The Daniel Institute for Dream Interpretation" page:
w*w.lyberty.com/hack.htm
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Nov 10th, 2003 08:01 PM |
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cruciblethorn
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Yes I would agree but tell me...did you see the cross of light that broke through Smith's chest when Neo erased his ass? How about the way Neo looked, as if he were hanging on a cross when they took his body away on the platform? The WB's do draw on several different disciplines but in the end the Christ figure is the dominant overtone here. No religious icon i.e. Buddha, Mohammed, etc. had more impact on religion from a sacrificial/love for mankind than the story of Christ. And do I even need to say the word Zion. Neo will return.
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Nov 10th, 2003 08:02 PM |
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Ushgarak
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He MAY do, but I think that was just a piece of imagery. As people could happily spend pages and pages saying, Buddhism is actually a far greater inlfuence on the background of the Matrix than Christianity is.
Doesn't do to read too deep, I think.
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Nov 10th, 2003 08:04 PM |
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cruciblethorn
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Buddhism is layered throughout from a mystical/spiritual point of view but the Christianity story is the firm foundation that is for the physical part of the movie, the sacrifice, death and resurrection, freeing the people, leading them out of the Matrix, etc. I really haven't seen any chapter/verse evidence for buddhism but we have seen biblical chapters and verses on walls, license plates, etc. That's not to say there aren't any. I just think Christianity is the dominant belief for this movie, not the only belief just the most influential overall.
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Nov 10th, 2003 08:08 PM |
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cruciblethorn
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And to reiterate for those who think the Architect is laying it out plain and simple. If I tell you I'm going to count numbers from the emergence of one number to the next (to represent anamolies) what do I get?
1 to 2: 1
2 to 3: 2
3 to 4: 3
4 to 5: 4
5 to 6: 5
6 to 7: 6
7 to 8: 7
He never said he was counting right off the bat but from the emergence of the first anamoly to the next. So the Matrix has reloaded after Revolutions to the 7th version by the Architects counting method. In actuality its the 8th version and add the 2 failed matrices and you have 10 versions altogether. Neo is the 7th anamoly counting as explained above and there will not be an eighth. Only a second coming.
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Nov 10th, 2003 08:33 PM |
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JediHDM
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i dont think there was time for the anomaly to emerge in either the first or second matrix, so this version would be 3.6...
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Nov 10th, 2003 09:05 PM |
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huh
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Nov 10th, 2003 09:17 PM |
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of course there was a zion to begin with... its not like the entire human race was wiped out (just most of it)... there were enough to dig down and make a city to try to survive...
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Nov 10th, 2003 09:22 PM |
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lemon
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i thought the five referred to the five major religoins-
islam-mohammed
judaism-abraham
christianity-jesus
buddhism-guatama buddha
hinduism-maybe vishnu???
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Nov 10th, 2003 09:28 PM |
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JediHDM
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the five what? the five anomalies? no, they were normal humans like Neo...well, as normal as they can be...
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Nov 10th, 2003 09:34 PM |
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dave123
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omg, too much to read
i'll just say: sdfkjnsdfajk Jedi is right efgseh;lijewbfwe
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Nov 10th, 2003 09:41 PM |
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hahaha 
iowe4gioabhsdifg I agree with dave 9wa8eht-j]'[ap943u0utjs
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