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Problem I have with Anakin=Sidious/Yoda

If Anakin was so powerful, why would Yoda send Obi Wan to fight him? This always gave me the impression that Yoda and Sidious>Anakin.

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Lol I'm well aware of the Anakin wank

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Fan service. Yoda's infinite wisdom.

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It's just nerds misinterpreting Anakin's origins and the midi-chlorians.


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I'm not as well-versed as some of the others on here. But I'd speculate that Anakin is more powerful than Yoda, but less skillful in using said power. I'd also argue he's arguably as good of a duelist, if not better, by the period of Revenge of the Sith. But Obi-Wan's knowledge of Anakin's fighting style gives Kenobi an edge that Yoda lacks in the sabers department. So it makes more sense for Kenobi to be the one to fight Anakin, while Yoda fights the relatively unknown (in terms of capabilities), but extremely powerful combatant that is Sidious.

Basically, I feel both Sidious and Anakin were "too powerful" for Kenobi to face, and Yoda had to make a decision. Send Kenobi against the man Kenobi trained, or against the mysterious Sith Lord who just took out several similarly skilled Jedi Masters. Yoda chose to send Kenobi against the opponent he would have best odds at facing.

I'm mostly just spit-balling here. It's been a couple years since I read the Revenge of the Sith novel, and like I mentioned before, I'm not super well-versed. I'm mainly just familiar with the books, comics, movies, and shows. Outside sources like sourcebooks, magazines, interviews, ect. are things I haven't brushed up on.

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I'm not as well-versed as some of the others on here. But I'd speculate that Anakin is more powerful than Yoda, but less skillful in using said power. I'd also argue he's arguably as good of a duelist, if not better, by the period of Revenge of the Sith. But Obi-Wan's knowledge of Anakin's fighting style gives Kenobi an edge that Yoda lacks in the sabers department. So it makes more sense for Kenobi to be the one to fight Anakin, while Yoda fights the relatively unknown (in terms of capabilities), but extremely powerful combatant that is Sidious.

Basically, I feel both Sidious and Anakin were "too powerful" for Kenobi to face, and Yoda had to make a decision. Send Kenobi against the man Kenobi trained, or against the mysterious Sith Lord who just took out several similarly skilled Jedi Masters. Yoda chose to send Kenobi against the opponent he would have best odds at facing.

I'm mostly just spit-balling here. It's been a couple years since I read the Revenge of the Sith novel, and like I mentioned before, I'm not super well-versed. I'm mainly just familiar with the books, comics, movies, and shows. Outside sources like sourcebooks, magazines, interviews, ect. are things I haven't brushed up on.

This makes sense. Well said

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Or Yoda's more powerful than Obi-Wan, and decided to take on the more powerful Sith. The only guy who was left over was someone inferior to them all thumb up

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Because if there was anyone who could try and redeem Anakin, it would be Obi Wan.

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Yeah... Pretty sure Yoda knew that wasn't happening. He essentially tells Obi-Wan that Anakin's lost.

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Or Yoda's more powerful than Obi-Wan, and decided to take on the more powerful Sith. The only guy who was left over was someone inferior to them all thumb up


I do, obviously, agree that Yoda's more powerful than Obi-Wan. But it also makes more sense to send the most powerful of the pair against the powerful Sith Lord whose capabilities are unknown, and to send the less powerful of the pair against his own former apprentice, whose moves he would know inside and out (helping make up for the relative lack of power).

Just because Yoda decided to go after Sidious, this does not mean that Sidious and Yoda are leagues above Anakin. It just means Yoda felt Obi-Wan was better suited to face Anakin than the mysterious Sidious. Who, I re-iterate, neither Yoda nor Obi-Wan knew the full capabilities of. All they knew was that they could sense he was immensely powerful, and (presumably) they knew that Kit Fisto, Agen Kolar, Saesee Tiin, and Mace Windu had all died after trying to arrest him. It makes way more sense to send the more powerful Jedi after the wild card that was Sidious than to risk the more powerful Jedi's life against a potentially equally powerful threat, when the lesser of the two Jedi has a solid chance of stopping Anakin due to his familiarity with him.

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Of course that could be it. Still, Occam's Razor dictates that my line of thought is the more valid. Less assumptions to make and I doubt your explanation was the intent of Lucas. I think fan service is just the most obvious reason, and attempting to make sense of it in-universe is a bit pointless.

It's not like this one small thing should detract the OP from the mounds of evidence put forth by Ant and others (though mainly Ant) that Anakin is >/= Sidious & Yoda.

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Potential power =\= applicable power

Anakin had the potential to be stronger then any other character in the setting more or less, but he never got chance to unlock the full height of his power.


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Because if there was anyone who could try and redeem Anakin, it would be Obi Wan.


"The boy you trained, gone he is. Consumed by Darth Vader."


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Their Mustafar Force clash confirm→Anakin=Obi-Wan


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I mean why could Obi-Wan solo Anakin but not Dooku? Its the same problem.

It was a combination of a better style match up, Obi-Wan Knowing Anakins combat moves better than anyone and Yoda hoping Anakins mind just having been twisted by the dark side maybe hampering him (which turned out to be true).

The contradiction is there whether Anakin is = Yoda/Sidious or not. Because the clash against Dooku showed he was clearly > Obi-Wan.

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Anakin's clash against Dooku showed us that he can defeat an exhausted old man who wasn't allowed to kill him, whilst drawing on his rage. And that at his standard level, he's Kenobi-tier thumb up

I'm not even disagreeing that Anakin is Sidious/Yoda level. But someone needs to play Devil's Advocate now that everyone also believes that. It's not an edgy position anymore, thanks Ant.

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I mean why could Obi-Wan solo Anakin but not Dooku? Its the same problem.

It was a combination of a better style match up, Obi-Wan Knowing Anakins combat moves better than anyone and Yoda hoping Anakins mind just having been twisted by the dark side maybe hampering him (which turned out to be true).

The contradiction is there whether Anakin is = Yoda/Sidious or not. Because the clash against Dooku showed he was clearly > Obi-Wan.


Dooku owned Obi-Wan via The Force. And he always had the opening to do so. As RealistRacism said: Dooku was instructed to not harm Anakin.


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What is the actual assertion being made here, that Anakin is not capable of defeating Dooku in a no-holds-barred fight?


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^ Yeah its a baseless assertion now that might have had more validity pre-TCW for those who completely ignored the ROTS novel.

But TCW has proved it false time and time again. Mid-Late TCW Anakin was = Dooku. ROTS Anakin was clearly > Dooku.

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