Probably gonna destroy what's left of my ability to be taken remotely serious here but whatever.
Left out sources because I threw this together in half an hour and didn't bother putting in sources since I expected people to know where I'm getting my info from (that being the game and such).
Made this for a group with some casuals so added unnecessary explanations on things. Bear with some of it. I'm well aware there are plenty of holes in it, though it still should be considered
In the recent War for Iokath explanation for SWTOR, the God of War and Rage in the Zakuulan Pantheon, Tyth, made an appearance, and his first display of power was to casually destroy an entire Eternal Fleet Battlecruiser with a single Force attack of some kind. He then tanked the turbolaser fire of 13 Eternal Fleet Battlecruisers unscathed through defending himself with the Force. Note that he was also not "fully resurrected," as he put it, so we must infer that he was not at 100% strength when he destroyed the Battlecruiser. Also note that he IS the superweapon that Aries used in chapter 5 of KotET to wipe out all organic life on Iokath, so we must assume that he is capable of using such ability on his own as well.
The Outlander (canonically HoTlander) was not strong enough to beat Tyth alone, and required the assistance of seven unspecified allies (one theory is that it is all the main companions in the game, another is his allies were high-level masters within the Alliance, since it's canonically impossible for his allies to have been the other Protags like Nox and Barsen'thor, since their canonical fates are unknown). Note that Tyth was not only drained of Force reserves from having shielded himself from the onslaught of 13 Eternal Fleet Battlecruisers with the Force, but he was not "fully resurrected," implying he was not at full power from the start.
From these feats we can draw the conclusion that he is no weaker than RotS Sidious (in raw power only, not as a combatant. Sheev has shown to be faster and a wiser combatant, but in raw power alone Tyth has shown to be > RotS Palpatine), given that this iteration of Sheev has never shown the capability to outright destroy ~800m long (likely no less than 1,400m in total volume) starships with his Force abilities without telekinetically directing them, or decimate entire populations of planets with the Force.
But how does this relate to Valkorion?
Well, one of Valkorion's titles is Destroyer of Izax. Izax, in the Zakuulan Pantheon, is the strongest of the 6 Gods, and father of Tyth. What this insinuates is that, at some point, Valkorion killed Izax. When did he do this? Well, ~50 years after the Revan Novel, Vitiate's essence ventured into Wild Space searching for the fabled Eternal Fleet, and found the warrior Valkoion, who he used as his vessel in the region. When there, he encountered and killed Izax. What is most likely is that he found Valkorion, and in order to gain the loyalty of the people and diminish their worship of the Old Gods, he killed the head of the pantheon. This would mean that no more than 100 years after the Revan novel, Vitiate defeated an opponent stronger than RotS Sidious (possibly closer to RotJ Sidious than RotS). This means that Vitiate (with the same or greater level of power as compared to his novel iteration) was able to best someone > RotS Sidious. This, of course, happening before Vitiate began opening himself to a new philosophy on the Force, and having 200+ years to grow in power, making it likely that even before Ziost, Vitiate was approaching DE Sidious in power. For those that argue his showings in SWTOR don't support that, remember that he had his power dispersed throughout several bodies at any one time (Valkorion, his main Voice and possibly others, his Children, and, to a small degree, his Hand and Royal Guard), while also preparing for the Galaxy-Consuming ritual, meaning that all his displays of power in SWTOR were while he was hugely "weaker" than what he could bring to bear if all his power were consolidated in one body.
Next we consider the amount of power he gained from Ziost, and we can easily draw the conclusion that if he were comparable to DE Sidious before Ziost, then his power would have grown massively from not only consuming hundreds (if not thousands) of Jedi and Sith, on top of that millions of ordinary inhabitants and the Dark Side vergence on Ziost (which was one of the strongest DS nexus's in the galaxy at the time), meaning that he would have most certainly surpassed both DE Sidious and GM Luke, possibly even to a large degree. And with that, I leave you all to adjust your placement of Valkorion.
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Sure it injured him, but given he actually survived it, and was still able to fight later on, I think that qualifies at tanking, maybe loosely, but it qualifies.
Also there's no Izax consol in the superweapon room, so we can infer that he actually did kill Izax and didn't just subdue him like he did the other gods
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Well, I have to applaud you for the fact that this was probably the best attempt at a Valkorion > Sheev essay that has been recently done here. Not that I buy it, since it utterly ignored Sheev's accolades (I don't care how much you dislike them; they're canonical fact and dismissing them without real reason is indicative of bias (not saying you are but still)) and focused on what he hasn't done. This falls flat, because instead, you should be focusing on what he can't do instead of what he hasn't, since he is canonically > Valkorion, and saying that's false because Sheev hasn't done something Valkorion has is a fallacy and the equivalent of an auto-concession.
When making a direct comparison, even ignoring Sheev's accolades, RotS Sidious outclassed Valkorion by a hilarious amount in almost all areas (see my Palpatine essay for that). And it's not like he can't blow up a big ship; someone fodder to him in Starkiller did that.
However, I'd still like a source for the Eternal Fleet cruiser being as long as you claim it is.
You have granted too much concession to PT brigade here.
I would like to see Palpatine or even Luke Skywalker enduring capital bombardment.
Do also keep in mind that the Outlander is greater than any incarnation of Revan and a match for Vaylin (unchained). And that kind of power was not enough to defeat Tyth in the battlefield.
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