Game mechanics are designed to try to match continuity to fit the purposes of the game for which they were created. They can serve to provide a scale from which to compare how one character or piece of technology stacks up against another. Because RPGs use dice, there is always the element of random chance involved, which isn't quite applicable to a book.
But stats themselves aren't created randomly; they are based on what is already known. As such, we can always look to them as a basis when writing books. I often look to RPG stats to see for example, what type of Force powers a character may have. Or if we haven't determined the stats of a particular vehicle, we can look to RPG stats for a basis of comparison.
Conversely, I think it would be a determinent if books were artificially limited by game stats. So I would agree that a book is going to overrule a stat if there is a contradiction.
__________________ "There is only Revan. Only he can shape this galaxy as it is meant to be shaped."
So are Jensyn and Soverus' dominations, I assume? And Malgus' "number of people fighting me minus one" domination? And Baras being able to one-shot the Wrath if he's given time to gather his power, despite it being made clear that there's canonically a hilarious gap between Baras and the Wrath in power? Where do you draw the line?
Though I thought you believed in Revan's domination as legit anyway, so what's the point of this? Hoping to sway one or two more users to believe in it? lol
Regardless, the context of the quote appears to be RPG stats and other specifically RPG mechanics, not just any game mechanics. So that's a nope.
Last edited by SunRazer on Apr 20th, 2017 at 04:43 AM
1. So sub-Marr chars can ragdoll the main characters? And the HoT is suggested in their storyline to be the strongest Jedi by Act II, so apparently sub-Act II HoT characters can ragdoll the Sith protags on a DS nexus.
Congratulations, you've shown that the protags are hilariously inconsistent and now dominating them isn't even that much of a feat.
2. What?
3. Since the Wrath stood in perfect health whilst Baras couldn't even conjure Lightning and lamented that "my powers abandon me". Which means Baras has far less power.
4. Except this isn't an RPG stat or RPG-related mechanic. This is a game mechanic that has nothing to do with RPG's at all. You're really reaching hard here.
If you're going to pretend that this is the type of game mechanic being referred to by Chee, you should consider the fact that Chee outright says that with game mechanics, "there is always the element of random chance involved", which means that these ragdolls could've just been down to chance.
Last edited by SunRazer on Apr 20th, 2017 at 05:10 AM
3. Sidious beat Maul after a "fierce battle". That means nothing, lol. Baras was completely exhausted while the Wrath stood there in perfect health. In other words, the Wrath's reserves are far greater.
4. The fact that you're cherry-picking isolated sections of text and taking them out-of-context to suit your ends is laughable, indeed.
5. Hence the Revan ragdolling isn't encompassed by Chee's quote. Thanks for following me.
Traya isn't competing with Palpatine if Revan is stomping her, lmfao. Not to mention that there will end up being a lot of contradictions with game mechanics. Like, isn't Palpatine's strength 11 in The Dark Side Sourcebook? ****ing Kreia's stronger at 12 strength per KotORCG. And per KotORCG, Traya has higher constitution, intelligence and wisdom than Darth Revan.
EDIT: Per KotORCG and DSS, Traya has Darth Sidious beat in all stats.
Last edited by SunRazer on Apr 20th, 2017 at 05:25 AM
1. The protags are younger and are already much stronger, meaning that they have far more potential. The protags would grow much, much faster than Jensyn or Soverus.
You think they go from being sub-Act II HoT to being able to dominate all of the SoR Imp protags on a DS nexus? Jesus Christ.
2. Right, and this mechanic here isn't an RPG mechanic. Just because it's in a MMORPG doesn't mean all the game mechanics are RPG mechanics. Not hard to understand.
3. Brutal enough for him to stand there in fine condition whilst Baras was completely depleted? lol
4. Ah, I thought it was d20. Not that comparing Palpatine to other characters in DSS makes it much better, lol. Not to mention that Palpatine's highest stat is INT (which is skills) rather than WIS (which is Force powers, IIRC). We've also got Hethrir being stronger than Vader in WIS.
Anyway, I gave you an example of Traya beating Revan in CON, INT and WIS in the same book (KotORCG). You seem to have no counter for that. There goes your argument about Revan having more willpower (WIS). And Malak has more charisma than Revan. GG.
EDIT: The Dark Side Sourcebook is d20, as I thought. It's from WotC after all. Traya beats Palpatine in all stats.
Last edited by SunRazer on Apr 20th, 2017 at 06:00 AM
Game mechanics are designed to try to match continuity to fit the purposes of the game for which they were created.
The primary objective of game mechanics is to offer entertainment to the player, as the quote estabilishes. To follow continuity is a loose, secondary objective. They aren't canon at all.
Besides, at no point does he say stats are canon. He says the writers might look to them for inspiration at times but specifically places them below canon material. I mean at most, something like the powers the character knows or something might be usable in a thread but passing off the STR/DEX/CON/INT/WIS/CHA stats as legit comparisons is hilariously wrong.
Though I'm curious to see if Ant still believes they're legit.
Last edited by SunRazer on Apr 21st, 2017 at 12:21 AM
I don't see why force powers know are more trustworthy than the stats. I think once you touch character sheet you either scrap everything there or treat any information as factual.
That was me taking it to the extreme; that maximum leniency I could imagine. But you're right; then you reach conclusions like Malak and Traya being able to Drain people across star systems. So you might as well scrap it all.
Apr 20th, 2017 04:09 AM
