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SSR vs SSB

Has anyone's opinions on this matter changed recently?

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I guess you can't wait till SSJ Green appears... shifty


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I guess you can't wait till SSJ Green appears... shifty
he can't wait til they go over to universe 5 and bust it with punches and survive.


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SSJ Rainbow will top all, you'll see!


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Except now we've seen SSB Goku use Kaioken x10 and he's still weaker than Beerus. Also, ever since SSR, none of Goku's fights have been universe-threatening at all.

[SPOILER - highlight to read]: and Red is a stronger color than blue.

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I always thought this. But the show seems to point to Red being the novice SSG form.

The lean appearance of Red along with the self healing made me always feel like it was the superior God form. Not to mention the fight with Beerus.


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Also, ever since SSR, none of Goku's fights have been universe-threatening at all.
That's because while SSR Goku was fighting Beerus, he learned(on the fly) how to deliver said punches without generating those universe-threatening shockwaves.

As has always been the case with DB: the amount of collateral damage caused by a given character is not a full-proof means through which to quantify them.

SSB>SSR.


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SSB>SSR

SSR is also Goku dependant on others to become SSG, now he is not.

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Consider:

SSR had a healing factor and could heal from Beerus shoving his hand into his body.

SSB got shot by a little shit laser and was done.

SSR just seemed more resilient to me, taking serious punishment over and over again from Beerus but always coming back.


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Consider:

SSB got shot by a little shit laser and was done.



False: in DBS (which did override the movies as canon) Goku was already completely powered down and in base form when he got shot by the laser.

Being said that, it is:

SSB KKx10 >>> SSB KK > SSB U6 (post 3 years in ROSAT) > SSB (FnF) > SSG.

Mismatch against SSG.


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SSR had a healing factor and could heal from Beerus shoving his hand into his body.


Smh.

Vegeta recovered from a similar attack from Kid Buu and he was only SSJ2.


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Originally posted by Galan007
That's because while SSR Goku was fighting Beerus, he learned(on the fly) how to deliver said punches without generating those universe-threatening shockwaves.

As has always been the case with DB: the amount of collateral damage caused by a given character is not a full-proof means through which to quantify them.

SSB>SSR.


This. Also, nothing pointed to Goku losing SSR power AFTER his fight against Beerus. If something was actually said about him losing this power up (which was said that was still inside of Goku when he went Super Saiyan), please point me in that direction.


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Originally posted by Galan007
That's because while SSR Goku was fighting Beerus, he learned(on the fly) how to deliver said punches without generating those universe-threatening shockwaves.

As has always been the case with DB: the amount of collateral damage caused by a given character is not a full-proof means through which to quantify them.

SSB>SSR.
See, GOKU learned to null the universe destroying punches fighting Beerus. If SSR Goku is weak, and Beerus was lowered to such a low level why doesn't any of the other fights have the same power output though? Like that's one thing I don't get with ssb > ssr. Nobody else has shown Gokus ability to learn that fast. And fighting someone else you'd think would involve having to learn how to null it again.


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There's also the fact that the idea that SSR Goku was <<< 10% Beerus is a hard pill to swallow. Basically SSJ2 Vegeta level at this point.

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Originally posted by Galan007
That's because while SSR Goku was fighting Beerus, he learned(on the fly) how to deliver said punches without generating those universe-threatening shockwaves.

As has always been the case with DB: the amount of collateral damage caused by a given character is not a full-proof means through which to quantify them.

SSB>SSR.


Doesn't explain why eveyone else Goku fights isn't sending out shockwaves, like Freeza or Hit.

A more likely answer is that the writers or Toriyama didn't think that universe shockwave thing through. Pretty safe to write it off as PIS, given it's never remotely mentioned again.


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Doesn't explain why eveyone else Goku fights isn't sending out shockwaves, like Freeza or Hit.

A more likely answer is that the writers or Toriyama didn't think that universe shockwave thing through. Pretty safe to write it off as PIS, given it's never remotely mentioned again.
stick out tongue don't copy what I said in different words. Lol


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There's also the fact that the idea that SSR Goku was <<< 10% Beerus is a hard pill to swallow. Basically SSJ2 Vegeta level at this point.


Not true.
Nothing until now contradicts the 6-10-15 power-chain: who indeed said that the correlation between those numbers has to be linear?
If you consider them to be in a logarithmic scale, for example, everything fits in it perfectly and, in this way, it also is easier to see how it was possible to jump from Solar System range (Ssj3 tier Boo saga characters) to Universal tier or close to it (SSG and the Gods).


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