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Game of Thrones FOR PEOPLE WHO'VE READ THE BOOKS

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Discuss Game of Thrones (The show) while being free to discuss the books, to keep from spoiling those who only watch the show (And are as such sissies).


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Look at that rebel!!!


So, yeah, I'm excited about the next ep, not just because of the obvious reason, but because I really want to know Shae's fate. It seems to me that if they go the way of the book that may make Tyrion quite unlikable to some people in the show.


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If Shae follows her book counterparts that will make her seem almost bipolar in persona. I mean, to be honest show Shae's actions in the trial alone honestly seemed weirdly out of character and overly petty. Shae's persona is one change I'm not fond of.


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i don't care about shae's fate anymore.

they completely ruined her character with the whole "true love" divergence from the books and by making her a smart and brave heroin. ffs in season 2 she threatened one of cersei's handmaids with a knife to her neck just to protect sansa.

then *BAM* she's acting like a jealous, cowardly, stupid and irrational infant. it's not even the same person. they need to stop screwing up characters like this.

just throw her out the moon door for all i care and don't even bother to pan down to see her fall.


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IMO, they're going to go with Shae always being Tywin's spy, but she did end up falling in love with Tyrion and then betrayed him due to Tyrion sending her away and Tywin's threats.

So when Tyrion kills her, his rage is somewhat justified due to the initial trickery.


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if they do that, they are going to make shae an even more colossal waste of time.

this was forced clumsy and LAZY character turning not even worthy of a pro wrestling plotline.


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i don't care about shae's fate anymore.

they completely ruined her character with the whole "true love" divergence from the books and by making her a smart and brave heroin. ffs in season 2 she threatened one of cersei's handmaids with a knife to her neck just to protect sansa.

then *BAM* she's acting like a jealous, cowardly, stupid and irrational infant. it's not even the same person. they need to stop screwing up characters like this.

just throw her out the moon door for all i care and don't even bother to pan down to see her fall.
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Also I'm not for Shae being Tywin's spy. He's not omniscient, and there is no way he could have known Tyrion would choose her.


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I don't get the Shae discussion you guys are having, at all. I don't see much of a difference between show-Shae and book-Shae. They are largely the same.

In the book, she became a snooty, b*tch-ass to Tyrion because Tyrion pushed her away (on purpose...to save her life). She betrayed Tyrion because she was acting like an immature child and took her betrayal to Cersei.


How is this different from what happened in the show? That's pretty much the same exact thing that happened in the show....


She is going to be choked to death, next week, by Tyrion. That's going to happen.


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In the book she didn't have any emotional attachment to Tyrion. At all. She was always in it for the money, and her behavior concerning his marriage to Sansa is very different.

"Oh who cares about her? She's just a girl. You'll bed her for your duty, but always come back to me for your pleasure."

Or some shit like that. She wasn't jealous at all because she didn't care about Tyrion.

Her betrayal came about because someone more powerful came along.


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I don't get the Shae discussion you guys are having, at all. I don't see much of a difference between show-Shae and book-Shae. They are largely the same.

In the book, she became a snooty, b*tch-ass to Tyrion because Tyrion pushed her away (on purpose...to save her life). She betrayed Tyrion because she was acting like an immature child and took her betrayal to Cersei.


How is this different from what happened in the show? That's pretty much the same exact thing that happened in the show....


She is going to be choked to death, next week, by Tyrion. That's going to happen.


so basically you never watched season 2. you probably should.


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I forget, when Tyrion was going to marry her off to some lower Knight, was she okay with that?


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I don't even know if he told her to be honest. Probably not, since he has way less money than Tyrion.

Edit: The wiki says that he was charged with murdering Joffrey before he could act on that.


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Yeah, can't recall either, just that was his plan to keep her safe from Cersei's suspicions.

Her betrayal was very Bronn-like in the books, iirc. Someone else came up with a better offer.


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ok here's a good 'first crackpot theory of the thead' i've been meaning to share. last ep when tyrion says "matricide, patricide, infanticide, suicide...there's no kind of killing that doesn't have its own word." is that foreshadowing?

matricide- tyrion kills his mother while being born

patricide- tyrion kills his father

infanticide- ?

suicide- ?

order of his words was curious, imho. could it be that tyrion will accidentally kill a child and then kill himself after being consumed by guilt?


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In the book she didn't have any emotional attachment to Tyrion. At all. She was always in it for the money, and her behavior concerning his marriage to Sansa is very different.

"Oh who cares about her? She's just a girl. You'll bed her for your duty, but always come back to me for your pleasure."

Or some shit like that. She wasn't jealous at all because she didn't care about Tyrion.

Her betrayal came about because someone more powerful came along.


Wait...wait...


She was jealous in the books, too.


Almost everything you're saying happened in the books and the movies. I see little difference in Show-Shae and Book-Shae, still.



To recap on what is the same:


Shae was most assuredly in it for the money in both the show and the books.

Shae cared for Tyrion in both the show and the book but we do not know to what extent she cared for Tyrion in either. It may have been a pragmatic thing with no sentimental attachment. It may have been a huge sentimental attachment. All we know it she cared in both.

Shae, throwing a fit because Tyrion rejected her, betrayed Tyrion to Cersei. This happened in both the books and the show.



So where is the major divergent differences?


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ok here's a good 'first crackpot theory of the thead' i've been meaning to share. last ep when tyrion says "matricide, patricide, infanticide, suicide...there's no kind of killing that doesn't have its own word." is that foreshadowing?

matricide- tyrion kills his mother while being born

patricide- tyrion kills his father

infanticide- ?

suicide- ?

order of his words was curious, imho. could it be that tyrion will accidentally kill a child and then kill himself after being consumed by guilt?


No. It doesn't not portend to anything. It was additional dialogue added to the show that wasn't in the books. It was jazzing up the "Jaime visits Tyrion in his cell" dialogue that happened in the books.


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I don't really blame book Shae, for what it's worth.

If the queen has you dragged to her and tells you to say shit in a trial, what are you supposed to say? No?


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Wait...wait...

She was jealous in the books, too.

Almost everything you're saying happened in the books and the movies. I see little difference in Show-Shae and Book-Shae, still.

To recap on what is the same:

Shae was most assuredly in it for the money in both the show and the books.

Shae cared for Tyrion in both the show and the book but we do not know to what extent she cared for Tyrion in either. It may have been a pragmatic thing with no sentimental attachment. It may have been a huge sentimental attachment. All we know it she cared in both.

Shae, throwing a fit because Tyrion rejected her, betrayed Tyrion to Cersei. This happened in both the books and the show.

So where is the major divergent differences?
No, you're wrong.


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Memory hazy, but I'm pretty sure book Shae only cared about Tyrion's money; she never had greater feelings for him than: "He's a fun guy who pays me well to be his whore." Bronn probably cared for Tyrion more.

I remember thinking back when show Shae first appeared and not liking that she was made to be kind and caring.


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Memory hazy, but I'm pretty sure book Shae only cared about Tyrion's money; she never had greater feelings for him than: "He's a fun guy who pays me well to be his whore." Bronn probably cared for Tyrion more.

I remember thinking back when show Shae first appeared and not liking that she was made to be kind and caring.



in the books it was made quite clear over and over just what shae really was about. it was never up for interpretation.*

* (see events prior to every one of tyrion's "fool of a dwarf" internal monologues)


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I don't really blame book Shae, for what it's worth.

If the queen has you dragged to her and tells you to say shit in a trial, what are you supposed to say? No?


If I'm a greedy piece of shit that was in it for the money, in the beginning, and I was asked to betray my former lover who just utterly and completely rejected (and dejected) me, yeah, that's a pretty easy decision to make.

Especially if you consider that GRRM is mildly sexist, he is definitely using the "a woman scorned" idea with Shae's character.

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No, you're wrong.


K. But at least you don't "argue" like Epicurus. I'm still open to specific examples which contradict my position if they exist. The knife to the neck thing...bleh. Can still be justified as her trying her best to earn more favor to your money machine.


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