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Inqusitors Raise Massive Temple

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DarthAnt66
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Little to do with telekinesis.


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They used the force to twist it up, looks like it was designed that way, so I'm guessing a couple Average Jedi Masters would do the trick.

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Originally posted by Haschwalth
They used the force to twist it up, looks like it was designed that way, so I'm guessing a couple Average Jedi Masters would do the trick.

Actually, when it initially is lifted, it doesn't twist:
https://youtu.be/tT_eLtODF5A?t=1m20s

It only twists after the inqusitors have already raised up the temple to a certain point.

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Actually, when it initially is lifted, it doesn't twist:
https://youtu.be/tT_eLtODF5A?t=1m20s

It only twists after the inqusitors have already raised up the temple to a certain point.


Nah it's turning if you look at the top left corner.

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I'm pretty sure any Jedi Master/Apprentice duo is supposed to be capable of lifting the temple. The Inquisitors seemed to be simply overriding or overpowering the defense mechanisms of the temple that determine the Force alignment of the individuals attempting to enter -- but barring resistance from the temple, it otherwise would logically be easily accessible to Jedi duos of various power levels. Therefore, I'd say the "feat" is unquantifiable.


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Originally posted by Haschwalth
Nah it's turning if you look at the top left corner.
I looked, there's no horizontal movement anywhere on the temple at the moment I linked. It only starts twisting after the inqusitors have turned it a bit.

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Originally posted by |King Joker|
I'm pretty sure any Jedi Master/Apprentice duo is supposed to be capable of lifting the temple. The Inquisitors seemed to be simply overriding or overpowering the defense mechanisms of the temple that determine the Force alignment of the individuals attempting to enter -- but barring resistance from the temple, it otherwise would logically be easily accessible to Jedi duos of various power levels. Therefore, I'd say the "feat" is unquantifiable.

There's a fairly simple way to settle this, compare how it opening with the inqusitors to how it was moving for Kanan and Ezra, I'll look for the video of Kanan and Ezra lifting it.

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Found it,
https://youtu.be/kNGXKTQG1bw?t=52s
When Kanan and Ezra liift it the temple is twisting from the onset

https://youtu.be/tT_eLtODF5A?t=1m19s

When the inqusitors lift it the temple doesn't twist for the first ten seconds(look at the lines on the temple for a frame of reference).

This would indicate the mechanism wasn't helping the inqusitors for much of the feat.

The temple only started twisting here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tT_....be&t=1m20s

This is further supported by the inqusitors visibly straining far more to lift the temple than Kanan and Ezra were able to.

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It's clearly not just TK, rofl. We see giant red circles popping up all over the place when they're doing the act.


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Just out of curiosity, as I don't watch Rebels, why didn't the red circles light up when Kanan and Ezra did it?


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Maybe it's just different depending on what set of Users open the temple? Light or Dark.


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That would make sense - they light up red because someone who shouldn't be raising the temple is doing so.

I was going to get into Rebels since Thrawn is on there now, is it worth it? Do they do him justice?


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Originally posted by DarthAnt66
It's clearly not just TK, rofl. We see giant red circles popping up all over the place when they're doing the act.

So?

Also, you can see the reflection of red light prior to them initating the tk:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tT_....be&t=1m20s

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That would make sense - they light up red because someone who shouldn't be raising the temple is doing so.

I was going to get into Rebels since Thrawn is on there now, is it worth it? Do they do him justice?


Thrawn let's see...I mean of all the characters in the show, he is one of the good ones. I mean they have his analyzing part down, but as far as like uber hax tactics...meh. I mean the final battle was a pretty nice showing for him(though I wouldn't put it up as far and above), but other than that, he's not really shown doing much other than the final episode of S3 and a couple of personal combat showings.


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Originally posted by Trocity
That would make sense - they light up red because someone who shouldn't be raising the temple is doing so.

I was going to get into Rebels since Thrawn is on there now, is it worth it? Do they do him justice?
Have you read the Thrawn book that came out this year?


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Anyway, if the mechanism that was working for the jedi was working for the inqusitors, then the temple should have twisted open from the start rather than just stay in the same position horizontally as it was rising vertically.

Furthermore, the temple's internal mechanics only "allow" force users in after sensing their alignment:
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The Jedi temple Kanan brings Ezra to is located in Lothal's highlands. The energy of the Force radiates from the central temple spire. Ezra listens to the secrets of the ruins as he presses his hands upon the icy stone. He senses that the temple will allow both him and Kanan to enter.
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There's no reason the temple would allow darksiders to enter here and it's telling that instead of automatically twisting open as it did with the jedi that it had to be vertically pushed up for ten seconds at the start.

Additionally, the sith are visibly straining themselves much more than the jedi were despite being comparably powerful to the lightsiders here which again suggests that the mechanism which would make lifting the temple easy isn't at play here.

It's also worth noting we never see the inqusitors try to overide any internal mechanism prior to their lifting of the temple. If that was neccessary for the feat then why wasn't it shown on screen or alluded to anywhere in secondary material regarding the text?

It stands to reason the temple wasn't helping the inquisitors.

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Originally posted by Rockydonovang
Found it,
https://youtu.be/kNGXKTQG1bw?t=52s
When Kanan and Ezra liift it the temple is twisting from the onset

https://youtu.be/tT_eLtODF5A?t=1m19s

When the inqusitors lift it the temple doesn't twist for the first ten seconds(look at the lines on the temple for a frame of reference).

This would indicate the mechanism wasn't helping the inqusitors for much of the feat.

The temple only started twisting here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tT_....be&t=1m20s

This is further supported by the inqusitors visibly straining far more to lift the temple than Kanan and Ezra were able to.
Dude, are you serious?
You literally linked a video where the Inquisitors started lifting the temple at 1:19, and then say that the temple didn't twist for the first ten seconds, and then you proceed to link to the same video at 1:20 (one second after the initial link) and say that that's when the temple starts to twist. Like, what?

The temple starts to lift immediately after the Inquisitors start using the Force on it, just how it did with Kanan and Ezra. It's just slower. Like I said before, the temple is resisting the Inquisitors because they use the dark side, but that doesn't negate the fact that there is a mechanism in place.


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I linked the wrong time frame for when the temple starts twisting:
https://youtu.be/tT_eLtODF5A?t=1m31s

Anyway, I never said anything regarding "lift", reread what I said.

Also, the "internal mechanism" has already been specified by the source I just posted to be the temple "allowing the jedi in" after seeing who they were. The temple did not allow the inqusitors in so it wouldn't be aiding the inqusitors with the feat.

Hence why the inqusitors require alot of strain while Kanan and Ezra don't.

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Originally posted by Zenwolf
Thrawn let's see...I mean of all the characters in the show, he is one of the good ones. I mean they have his analyzing part down, but as far as like uber hax tactics...meh. I mean the final battle was a pretty nice showing for him(though I wouldn't put it up as far and above), but other than that, he's not really shown doing much other than the final episode of S3 and a couple of personal combat showings.


Much appreciated. I might check it out, I was hesitant cuz I figured they would just butcher his character. Rebels in general seems pretty lame, I feel like I'd need Thrawn to be as great as he was for me to be interested.

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Have you read the Thrawn book that came out this year?



Literally just picked it up the other day, currently about halfway through smile


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