KillerMovies - Movies That Matter!

REGISTER HERE TO JOIN IN! - It's easy and it's free!
Home » Community » General Discussion Forum » Communism

Communism
Started by: Afro Cheese

Forum Jump:
Post New Thread    Post A Reply
Pages (2): [1] 2 »   Last Thread   Next Thread
Author
Thread
Afro Cheese
Senior Member

Gender: Unspecified
Location:

Communism

The back in forth in the other thread about Jesus being a commie got me to thinking about Communism in general.

What are your thoughts? Any Communists here? What strain do you believe in, if so? Anti-communist thoughts welcome, as well.

I remember when I was a kid and I heard about Communism and how evil it was, cause I lived in Florida and we'd hear about Castro from Cubans who moved there. And when I asked my dad what Communism was, he was like it's a system where everyone has the same amount of money, no matter what they do. And I was like really? That doesn't sound so evil. And he was like yea nah trust me it's bad. He wasn't a very political guy but he did grow up in the cold war.

It wasn't till years later that I found out more about the history of the Soviet Union etc. And even then, for years I didn't see the connection between a classless society and the kind of totalitarian madness that resulted in Communist countries.

I feel like now I do. It seems like the basic problem is something like this: Communism tries to replace Capitalism with something better. As such, they need some structure to replace “the invisible hand” of the free market. Which is an enormous responsibility, and extremely complex. Because of this, the government essentially owns everything and distributes it accordingly. For that to even happen the government has to be virtually limitless in its authority and power. Meaning civil liberties go right out the window, as do the right to any sort of individual concerns that are not in line with the official concerns of the state.

Once a regime reaches this level of totalitarian power, pretty much the same thing always happens. They fight desperately to maintain it, using whatever means necessary. Almost instantly, when you grant a state the kind of power a communist state wields, you can guarantee that “the needs of the people” are not their top priority. Their top priority is protecting, using and bolstering their own power.

This isn't unique to Communism, by any means. It's a basic property of totalitarianism in general. But this is the basic reason why I think every Communist state has gone down this totalitarian path. It's really hard to conceive how you would possibly have an entity on the scale of China or the Soviet Union which was organized voluntarily and democratically to share all of the resources of that society. That might not make it impossible, but it seems so politically infeasible that it might as well be. And as I've said, I think there is a good reason for the common path that actual Communist states have tended to take.

I know there are people who believe in anarcho-communism... Which doesn't seem like it has the same tyrannical structure. But it's also something that is basically non existent in terms of serious real world examples (please don't pull up some obscure commune, I'm talking about massive societies like Russia and China). And IMO it really strains credulity how any sort of anarchist society would really organize and perhaps more importantly, protect itself. But that's a different topic entirely.

Anyway.. what does KMC think about Communism?

Also, a bit of a semi related tangent... but I've been listening to podcasts/youtube videos with intellectual types in them debating this kind of shit and it struck me.. “bourgeois” is possibly the worst English adoption of a foreign word ever. The funny thing is when you hear some academic say it like they're trying to establish some sort of bond with the working class. Nobody poor says ****in “bourgeois.” It's not in the vocabulary. Except some blacks, who use a derivative term, “boojie.” Which basically means the same thing. Stuck up, orderly, middle class, etc. But even though they apparently like the meaning of the term, they still had to change the word to make it sound decent. There aint no ****in rappers coming out with a song that goes“My ***** Is Bad and Bougeois.”

Old Post Oct 23rd, 2017 11:37 PM
Afro Cheese is currently offline Click here to Send Afro Cheese a Private Message Find more posts by Afro Cheese Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote Quick Quote
Surtur
Restricted

Gender: Male
Location: Chicago

Account Restricted

I ask anyone to show me a successful communist country that wasn't horrible.


__________________
Chicken Boo, what's the matter with you? You don't act like the other chickens do. You wear a disguise to look like human guys, but you're not a man you're a Chicken Boo.

Old Post Oct 23rd, 2017 11:38 PM
Surtur is currently offline Click here to Send Surtur a Private Message Find more posts by Surtur Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote Quick Quote
NewGuy01
perpetual

Gender: Male
Location: USA

I ask you to show me a communist country period.


__________________

Old Post Oct 23rd, 2017 11:59 PM
NewGuy01 is currently offline Click here to Send NewGuy01 a Private Message Find more posts by NewGuy01 Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote Quick Quote
Surtur
Restricted

Gender: Male
Location: Chicago

Account Restricted

And just in case anyone on here is from Antifa or something: Star Trek is not a valid example.


__________________
Chicken Boo, what's the matter with you? You don't act like the other chickens do. You wear a disguise to look like human guys, but you're not a man you're a Chicken Boo.

Old Post Oct 24th, 2017 12:13 AM
Surtur is currently offline Click here to Send Surtur a Private Message Find more posts by Surtur Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote Quick Quote
Kurk
Restricted

Gender: Male
Location: The Darkest Corner of your Mind

Account Restricted

I was once a communist for half a year. It was more of a Russian craze really. I was a 13 year old who didn't (and still doesn't) have their head on straight.


__________________

"Technology equals might!" "Evolve or perish"

Old Post Oct 24th, 2017 12:21 AM
Kurk is currently offline Click here to Send Kurk a Private Message Find more posts by Kurk Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote Quick Quote
BackFire
Blood. It's nature's lube

Gender: Male
Location: Huntington Beach, CA

Moderator

I think Communism is not something that can really work at this point in time. I agree with Afro that right now totalitarianism is really the only way for communism to really function in any form, and totalitarian governments are always going to be doomed to fail.

That said I do think certain aspects of Communism, or Socialism or whatever you want to call it, will probably become the norm in the future. I think UBI is inevitable and will probably happen within most of our lifetimes. I also think something like money no longer being used as an exchange may happen, but probably not for a long time.


__________________

Old Post Oct 24th, 2017 12:28 AM
BackFire is currently offline Click here to Send BackFire a Private Message Find more posts by BackFire Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote Quick Quote
Surtur
Restricted

Gender: Male
Location: Chicago

Account Restricted

quote: (post)
Originally posted by Kurk
I was once a communist for half a year. It was more of a Russian craze really. I was a 13 year old who didn't (and still doesn't) have their head on straight.


I can relate, I once saw an episode of Seinfeld where Elaine dated a communist.


__________________
Chicken Boo, what's the matter with you? You don't act like the other chickens do. You wear a disguise to look like human guys, but you're not a man you're a Chicken Boo.

Old Post Oct 24th, 2017 12:28 AM
Surtur is currently offline Click here to Send Surtur a Private Message Find more posts by Surtur Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote Quick Quote
socool8520
Life's a garden, Dig it

Gender: Male
Location: Louisiana

Communism would be acceptable.....if you take out the basic nature of human beings. Since you can't, it's a horrible pipe dream.

You will never be able to convince the majority to hand over their hard earned wealth to people who haven't earned it. You may be able to get them to help the needy, but not the entire populace. I'm a strong believer in working hard to get what you want.


__________________

Old Post Oct 24th, 2017 12:30 AM
socool8520 is currently offline Click here to Send socool8520 a Private Message Find more posts by socool8520 Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote Quick Quote
Lord Lucien
Lets all love Lain

Gender: Male
Location:

You guys 'member Communism? From the 20th century?



I 'member.


__________________
Recently Produced and Distributed Young but High-Ranking Political Figure of Royal Ancestry within the Modern American Town Affectionately Referred To as Bel-Air.

Old Post Oct 24th, 2017 04:07 AM
Lord Lucien is currently offline Click here to Send Lord Lucien a Private Message Find more posts by Lord Lucien Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote Quick Quote
Emperordmb
LSDMB

Gender: Male
Location: The Proud Nation of Kekistan

quote: (post)
Originally posted by Lord Lucien
You guys 'member Communism? From the 20th century?



I 'member.

'member the death star?


__________________

Shadilay my brothers and sisters. With any luck we will throw off the shackles of normie oppression. We have nothing to lose but our chains! Praise Kek!
THE MOTTO IS "IN KEK WE TRUST"

Old Post Oct 24th, 2017 04:11 AM
Emperordmb is currently offline Click here to Send Emperordmb a Private Message Find more posts by Emperordmb Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote Quick Quote
ArtificialGlory
God-Emperor of Eternity

Gender: Male
Location: Sanctum of Innocence

quote: (post)
Originally posted by Lord Lucien
You guys 'member Communism? From the 20th century?



I 'member.

And 'member the gulags? Oooooh, I 'member!


__________________
And from the ashes he rose, like a black cloud. The Sin of one became the Sin of many.

Old Post Oct 24th, 2017 04:11 AM
ArtificialGlory is currently offline Click here to Send ArtificialGlory a Private Message Find more posts by ArtificialGlory Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote Quick Quote
Surtur
Restricted

Gender: Male
Location: Chicago

Account Restricted

You 'member the guys Stalin took out of photographs?

Me neither.


__________________
Chicken Boo, what's the matter with you? You don't act like the other chickens do. You wear a disguise to look like human guys, but you're not a man you're a Chicken Boo.

Old Post Oct 24th, 2017 05:07 AM
Surtur is currently offline Click here to Send Surtur a Private Message Find more posts by Surtur Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote Quick Quote
Flyattractor
Senior Member

Gender: Unspecified
Location: B.F.K

Has there ever really been a "Communist Country"? Most of the Shit Holes that The Left like to say are Commie are really Socialist. Big Diff between the two.

Heck the early U.S Colonies tried Commie-nism...They found it sucked Turkey Balls and chucked it for Capitalism and True Freedom. The Great Experiment. Too bad we got all the New Leftist Progressive Socialist Fascists here putting an end to it.


__________________
Banned 30 days for the Crime of "ETC"... and when I "ETC" I do it HARD!!!
Happy Dance Happy Dance Happy Dance Happy Dance

Old Post Oct 24th, 2017 05:58 AM
Flyattractor is currently offline Click here to Send Flyattractor a Private Message Find more posts by Flyattractor Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote Quick Quote
Rockydonovang
freedom fighter

Gender: Male
Location:

quote: (post)
Originally posted by BackFire
I think Communism is not something that can really work at this point in time. I agree with Afro that right now totalitarianism is really the only way for communism to really function in any form, and totalitarian governments are always going to be doomed to fail.

That said I do think certain aspects of Communism, or Socialism or whatever you want to call it, will probably become the norm in the future. I think UBI is inevitable and will probably happen within most of our lifetimes. I also think something like money no longer being used as an exchange may happen, but probably not for a long time.

Yeah, I imagine as society progresses, more aspects of "communism, socialism, or whatever you want to call it will be ingrained in society". There's already plenty of it ingrained in many developed countries. Universal health care for example.

Old Post Oct 24th, 2017 06:19 AM
Rockydonovang is currently offline Click here to Send Rockydonovang a Private Message Find more posts by Rockydonovang Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote Quick Quote
Flyattractor
Senior Member

Gender: Unspecified
Location: B.F.K

quote: (post)
Originally posted by Rockydonovang
Yeah, I imagine as society progresses, more aspects of "communism, socialism, or whatever you want to call it will be ingrained in society". There's already plenty of it ingrained in many developed countries. Universal health care for example.


Yes. Humanity as a whole are making great strides to erase freedom from human culture.


__________________
Banned 30 days for the Crime of "ETC"... and when I "ETC" I do it HARD!!!
Happy Dance Happy Dance Happy Dance Happy Dance

Old Post Oct 24th, 2017 06:22 AM
Flyattractor is currently offline Click here to Send Flyattractor a Private Message Find more posts by Flyattractor Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote Quick Quote
Bentley
Seitei

Gender: Unspecified
Location: France

We really don't have examples of a succesful communist country, the URSS being the most arguably succesful one and it ended up pitting itself against richer countries in a war on influence. People say that totalitarism cannot work... Except it did, for centuries, all over the world. Prosperity will make anything work, from universal healthcare, to gun owning, to having a frigging King. But of course, what prosperity represents can shift from in different cultures, so if freedom (for example) was considered a measure of prosperity, totalitarism would struggle to ever achieve it. This doesn't mean cultural values cannot change, maybe people will stop holding freedom so high in their values and allow themselves to be monitored and charged for internet services.

Communism is bound to change like everything else, so in that sense, it cannot be entirely succesful as something ethereal and eternal.


__________________


My respect threads:Kang the Conqueror, Ultron, Devil Dinosaur, Michael Korvac
Captain America for High Street

Old Post Oct 24th, 2017 06:46 AM
Bentley is currently offline Click here to Send Bentley a Private Message Find more posts by Bentley Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote Quick Quote
kevdude
The Hooded Man

Gender: Male
Location: Ohio

What is it with people 'thinking' communism and socialism is going to work? It never worked and never will work. Get over it and start working on something that works like real capitalism, something that doesn't kill and force anyone to do anything they don't want to do, that's freedom, I know what a revolutionary concept! Russia dumped it, the USSR was a dump because of it, and today Venezuela is suffering terribly because of it!


__________________

The Word

Last edited by kevdude on Oct 24th, 2017 at 02:08 PM

Old Post Oct 24th, 2017 02:05 PM
kevdude is currently offline Click here to Send kevdude a Private Message Find more posts by kevdude Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote Quick Quote
Lestov16
CTU Field Agent

Gender: Male
Location: 4th Street Underpass, Manhattan

It was Stalin who came up with the concept of a "Communist Country". Before Stalin, Lenin and others believed Communism was impossible for one single country to adopt, and could only work if it was a globalist system.


__________________


"Tell him that you've got credible intelligence about a threat to his life"-
Jack Bauer

Old Post Oct 24th, 2017 03:35 PM
Lestov16 is currently offline Click here to Send Lestov16 a Private Message Find more posts by Lestov16 Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote Quick Quote
Surtur
Restricted

Gender: Male
Location: Chicago

Account Restricted

One time I watched this documentary that said this one time FDR and Stalin laughed at the britishness of Winston Churchill and it made Churchill's face turn red.


__________________
Chicken Boo, what's the matter with you? You don't act like the other chickens do. You wear a disguise to look like human guys, but you're not a man you're a Chicken Boo.

Old Post Oct 24th, 2017 03:53 PM
Surtur is currently offline Click here to Send Surtur a Private Message Find more posts by Surtur Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote Quick Quote
dadudemon
Senior Member

Gender: Male
Location: Bacta Tank.

1. inimalist and I discussed this topic quite a bit. I could just repost our converstaion to cover not only my points but also his. But I am lazy and just don't want to make the effort.


2. NewGuy01 is correct with his rhetoric: from a technical point of view, no communistic country has existed, yet. Only socialist republics and states. Marxist Socialism is the first step to reach Communism.


__________________

Old Post Oct 24th, 2017 04:01 PM
dadudemon is currently offline Click here to Send dadudemon a Private Message Find more posts by dadudemon Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote Quick Quote
All times are UTC. The time now is 11:19 AM.
Pages (2): [1] 2 »   Last Thread   Next Thread

Home » Community » General Discussion Forum » Communism

Email this Page
Subscribe to this Thread
   Post New Thread  Post A Reply

Forum Jump:
Search by user:
 

Forum Rules:
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
HTML code is OFF
vB code is ON
Smilies are ON
[IMG] code is ON

Text-only version
 

< - KillerMovies.com - Forum Archive - Forum Rules >


© Copyright 2000-2006, KillerMovies.com. All Rights Reserved.
Powered by: vBulletin, copyright ©2000-2006, Jelsoft Enterprises Limited.