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SunRazer
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Vrook Lamar vs Qui-Gon Jinn

Fight takes place in the Rebuilt Jedi Enclave.

Just curious to see what people thought of this match-up.

1. Sabers

2. Force

3. All-out

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Qui-Gon takes this easily.


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Reasons, please.

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Was able to hold off Darth Maul which is more impressive then anything Vrook could dream of even coming close to doing, the guy is virtually featless.


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SunRazer
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Vrook isn't featless, and how is Qui-Gon winning Force?

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Vrook isn't featless, and how is Qui-Gon winning Force?


Show me one thing that Vrook has done to put him above Qui-Gon's perfect mastery of the force?

and if you show me a quote from the guide, I will flip my desk.

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Show me one thing that Vrook has done to put him above Qui-Gon's perfect mastery of the force?

and if you show me a quote from the guide, I will flip my desk.


I don't need quotes from the guide, lol. Vrook has placed the Exile in Stasis, and in the DS version of the game, he also pushes the Exile and her party down with TK before Stunning them all. He's also more powerful than Kavar, who has a slew of nice TK/Force Stun feats. And he's mastered the various Force Forms except Channel, which is an advantage.

Then there's Vrook, Kavar and Zez-Kai Ell being collectively powerful enough to cut the Exile off from the Force, and the trio also telekinetically rebuilt the destroyed Jedi Enclave. It's all on my RT.

Qui-Gon's mastery of the Force is not perfect, and we're talking about combat-relevant powers. Telekinesis is probably the only power he can bring to a showdown between him and Vrook.

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I don't need quotes from the guide, lol. Vrook has placed the Exile in Stasis, and in the DS version of the game,


Vat? That was with the help of the other masters.

DS isn't canon.

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he also pushes the Exile and her party down with TK before Stunning them all.


Non canon. Honestly, you wanna pull that stuff about "I view this as something that coulda happened but didn't"

But that disappears with Kyle becoming Emperor.

Jaden stalemating Kyle

and Bane moving a moon.


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And he's mastered the various Force Forms except Channel, which is an advantage.


We've been through this...

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Then there's Vrook, Kavar and Zez-Kai Ell being collectively powerful enough to cut the Exile off from the Force, and the trio also telekinetically rebuilt the destroyed Jedi Enclave. It's all on my RT.


Yes, i've seen the reaching bud.

1 - stasis that the Exile didn't even resist in the LS ending. DS is not canon.

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Qui-Gon's mastery of the Force is not perfect,[/quotes]

Quote from the JA novels disagree with you.

[quote]]and we're talking about combat-relevant powers. Telekinesis is probably the only power he can bring to a showdown between him and Vrook.


the only power he even needs. At least he's got showing in that regard, versus Vrook being kinda featless.

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Vrook puts him in stasis and pulls his head off.


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Vat? That was with the help of the other masters.

DS isn't canon.


His hand is the only one that comes up. So he wasn't aided by the Masters for the Stasis, only the Sever Force. If you disagree, could you show me footage where all the Masters raise their hands in unison to place the Exile in Stasis?

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Non canon. Honestly, you wanna pull that stuff about "I view this as something that coulda happened but didn't"

But that disappears with Kyle becoming Emperor.

Jaden stalemating Kyle

and Bane moving a moon.


If you can show me why they'd be a power disparity between Vrook's LS and DS storyline incarnations, then I'll agree to the feats not being usable. Otherwise, it's the same Vrook, just under different circumstances and in different incidents.

1. That has nothing to do with power, lol. As I said, it never happens, but it could happen in an alternate reality. That's basically how canon in most fictions work.

2. On a dark side nexus and with the Scepter of Ragnos, you mean?

3. That was outright retconned, and it's not a DS ending/counterpart to a game. That's a terrible example that's completely irrelevant to my point.

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Yes, i've seen the reaching bud.

1 - stasis that the Exile didn't even resist in the LS ending. DS is not canon.


Nobody's reaching, lol.

You don't need DS to select the option that you don't want to be cut off from the Force (there are multiple non-DS options, and some of them involve you trying to resist). Whether you attempt to resist or not, you're put in Stasis.

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the only power he even needs. At least he's got showing in that regard, versus Vrook being kinda featless.


Vrook TK'd the Exile's party down and he's telekinetically rebuilt the Jedi Enclave with the other Masters (which you didn't address, so concession accepted).

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Nova, just admit you're a KOTOR wanker and we'll all agree Vrook wins


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Nova, just admit you're a KOTOR wanker and we'll all agree Vrook wins


Saying that I wank/lowball any single era in general is pretty flawed. I wank every era.

Also, Fated would never agree that way, lol.

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Saying that I wank/lowball any single era in general is pretty flawed. I wank every era.

Also, Fated would never agree that way, lol.


You don't wank SWTOR enough, infidel.

You can be openly biased towards an era and still force people to bend the knee.


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You don't wank SWTOR enough, infidel.

You can be openly biased towards an era and still force people to bend the knee.


1. I rank TOR characters higher than most here, lol. Also, calling me a KotOR fanboy in the presence of DarthAnt66 is insulting to him.

2. Not Fated.

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1. I rank TOR characters higher than most here, lol. Also, calling me a KotOR fanboy in the presence of DarthAnt66 is insulting to him.

2. Not Fated.


1. Lol @ overwanking Revan being a thing.

2. Why not? Anyone can bend the knee in the face of a great argument. If not, then it's they who isn't objective.


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Saying that I wank/lowball any single era in general is pretty flawed. I wank every era.

Also, Fated would never agree that way, lol.


Yeah, there's no problem with that. But there's a fine line between reaching, and facts lol.

Also, yeah, I'd never agree. QGJ is held at a high esteem.

Unfortunately, i work tomorrow. And i gotta wake up early(5 AM) so i'll respond as soon as I can.

P.S there's a reason why I asked for the rights to the QGJ RT stick out tongue

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So you're saying that, no matter how good the argument, Qui Gon Jinn can't be inferior to Vrook?


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1. Lol @ overwanking Revan being a thing.

2. Why not? Anyone can bend the knee in the face of a great argument. If not, then it's they who isn't objective.


1. lol @ Ant only wanking Revan amongst the KotOR pantheon.

2. And you're dealing with Fated, here.

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Yeah, there's no problem with that. But there's a fine line between reaching, and facts lol.

Also, yeah, I'd never agree. QGJ is held at a high esteem.

Unfortunately, i work tomorrow. And i gotta wake up early(5 AM) so i'll respond as soon as I can.

P.S there's a reason why I asked for the rights to the QGJ RT stick out tongue


1. The facts are the feats, which I've given you. The thing is, you keep trying to worm your way out of the facts with excuses, and it's getting frustrating.

2. Your indelible stance on certain characters means it'll be virtually impossible to persuade you that they'd lose a fight to another being of their class that you have less preference for, so I believe I'm wasting my time here.

3. I have Qui-Gon's main feats in my RT, lol. Also, I didn't give you rights to my RT itself, I just gave you permission to use my content and make your own.

4. You lacked an argument on Force Forms, so that's a concession, and it's accepted.

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Agreed with Nova, Vrook should take a hard fight.


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