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I'm completely fine with that tbh.
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It doesn't strike me as particularly corrupt to say that an institution will get more taxpayer funding if it stops doing something half of the taxpayers find deeply immoral.
From the standpoint of someone who thinks some of their services are good, but abortion is problematic and even if legal should in no way be publically subsidized, there's nothing wrong with the arrangement that PP gets more money if they stop performing abortions.
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I don't buy that it's that simple in reality. If your other services are being publically subsidized then it seems the logical conclusion that there would be more non-taxpayer money freed up to pay for abortion.
Actually on second thought, they shouldn't get taxpayer money either way if they have millions of dollars to spare to spend donating to Democratic candidates.
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It's not unheard for for companies to have practices like "restricted funds", where 'x' amount of money or given donation can only be used in certain ways.
I'm okay with it, too. I'm more than happy to stop what I believe is the murder of babies with as much money, corruptly, as possible. Throw as much money as possible at it and if it is money being thrown at the situation, illegally, who cares!
Surely there are better options than bribes, however?
I'd rather start at UHC and UBI solutions, first. And the UHC option needs to include contraceptives for free.
But, yes, throw money at preventing abortions, please. More corruption as much as possible.
What, this is not the answer you expected? You thought people would be too much of a coward to admit to your strawman question? Not so, I've been very consistent about my anti-abortion stance. Abortion is wrong. Abortion is murder. But I want abortion legal and covered for free.
Which is why his question is a strawman and he knows it.
Unfortunately, the reality of abortions is not as cut and dry. While the laws in America are different, some things remain the same. If we remove the legal support ofr abortions, then the bad old days of the 60s 70s and 80s will re-emerge with a vengeance. Streetside abortions with coathangers will start happening once more, and many of those were with no consent or any kind of medical aide.
IIRC, this sometimes resulted in babies surviving this, and being born horribly disfigured and damaged to the point of disability.
Thats an extreme situation, but one that has haunted me, because I was a child of the 80s, and I remember some things I see...
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And that is not a good thing to occur, but I think it's a preferable option if it reduces the number of abortions taking place, which it would logically do.
It sucks that some people will self-inflict harm on themselves, but I don't think it's as much the government's responsibility to protect people from harming themselves the same way it's the government's responsibility to keep people from harming other people.
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So your idea is to turn a safe procedure that will keep people alive, and turn it into an unsafe cottage industry where backyard hackjobs will charge extortionistic prices in unsafe malpractice surgeries? Shit, may as well open up black market organ harvesting. Sorry Emp, but there is more dire consequences for doing this kind of action. This is going to get a lot of people killed, and a lot of bad actors are going to profit.
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Sorry Zero, but the way any pro-life person views it is that our current policy gets a lot of people killed in a government sanctioned way.
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You know, the best part of seeing abortion arguments rehashed for the third dozen time on this website is that it never fails to remind me of one of my favorite George Carlin quotes -
That's a very disingenuous, cynical, generalized, antiquated and shallow view of what the "pro-life" argument is. As well as a weak argument on the humanity (or lack thereof) of fetuses that anyone who gives it a little thought could probably debunk easily.
Essentially, this argument is a joke (w/c is basically his job, seeing as he's a comedian).
1) Not all "prof-lifers" are conservatives. Not all are pro-military spending. Many would be happy providing social services to abandoned children in lieu of increased military spending, it just so happens that the only political party that supports pro-life is the conservative one.
2) See above on military. And we don't want women to be "brood mares" we just want you to take responsibility for your own actions and not murder a little innocent unborn child just so you can escape it.
3) Why should white women take responsibility for "black fetuses"? Why should they be made to adopt children they don't want to? Yes, Catholicism teaches us to be charitable, but we are given freedom of choice on the how. Why aren't the actual parents (yknow, the one who made the choice to concieve them?) of these children y'know the ones made to actually take responsibility for their own actions?
If the gov would ban abortion as form of contraception (not medically necessary abortion, I'm sure a good chunk of pro-lifers are not against that) or at least cut funding on institutions that provide it as a service while either cutting military spending or increasing taxes to improve social services, I can personally see a lot of pro-lifers being able to get behind that.
4) This is just stupid. Conservatives aren't the only ones who eat meat.
5) A period/ejaculate is not conception. A lot of pro-lifers are against the death penalty. Again, disingenuous.
6) The homosexual debate is another thing entirely. And yes, there are pedo's in the world. And many enter priesthood and use this opportunity to do their sick shit. But come on, that's pretty damn disingenuous don't you think? Not every person has good intentions regardless of being a priest or not.