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Valkorion wins easily.
2
6.45%
Valkorion wins in a good fight.
8
25.81%
Valkorion wins in a close fight.
2
6.45%
Either way.
0
0%
ROTS Palpatine wins in a close fight.
2
6.45%
ROTS Palpatine wins in a good fight.
8
25.81%
ROTS Palpatine wins easily.
9
29.03%
Undecided.
0
0%
Total:
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Jaggarath
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Apr 20th, 2018 05:17 PM
MythLord
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Sheev wins. Nice fight.
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Apr 20th, 2018 05:59 PM
Azronger
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Location: The Throne of the Sheevites
Sidious destroys
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Apr 20th, 2018 06:20 PM
darthbane77
Senior Member
Registered: Aug 2016
Location: Pennsylvania, United States
Valk, good fight. Not really "close", but certainly not easily. I don't think anyone barring the Ones and Abeloth could beat ROTS Sidious at all easily.
Apr 20th, 2018 07:43 PM
Stigma
Herald of the Judgement
Registered: Jul 2013
Location: Poland
If Mace can do it, so can Palpatine
Apr 21st, 2018 05:44 AM
Rockydonovang
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Registered: Dec 2016
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Plagueis takes him. Sidious is far more powerful than Plagueis.
Apr 21st, 2018 08:27 PM
XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
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Registered: Aug 2013
Location: The Eternal Throne
Nah.
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Apr 21st, 2018 08:29 PM
CuckedCurry
Registered: Jan 2018
Location: The Promised Land
quote: (post ) Originally posted by Rockydonovang
Sidious is far more powerful than Plagueis.
Supported by nothing.
Apr 21st, 2018 09:23 PM
Freedon Nadd
Senior Member
Registered: Feb 2015
Location: Romania
quote: (post ) Originally posted by CuckedCurry
Supported by nothing.
'Cause Sidious creates Force storms.
(sarcasm)
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Apr 21st, 2018 09:53 PM
Rockydonovang
freedom fighter
Registered: Dec 2016
Location:
quote: (post ) Originally posted by CuckedCurry
Supported by nothing.
Prior to what I'm about to show you, sids and plag were on par:
quote: A tremor took hold of the planet.
Sprung from death, it unleashed itself in a powerful wave, at once burrowing deep into the world’s core and radiating through its saccharine atmosphere to shake the stars themselves. At the quake’s epicenter stood Sidious, one elegant hand vised on the burnished sill of an expansive translucency, a vessel filled suddenly to bursting, the Force so strong within him that he feared he might disappear into it, never to return. But the moment didn’t constitute an ending so much as a true beginning, long overdue; it was less a transformation than an intensification—a gravitic shift.
A welter of voices, near and far, present and from eons past, drowned his thoughts. Raised in praise, the voices proclaimed his reign and cheered the inauguration of a new order. Yellow eyes lifted to the night sky, he saw the trembling stars flare, and in the depth of his being he felt the power of the dark side anoint him.
Slowly, almost reluctantly, he came back to himself, his gaze settling on his manicured hands. Returned to the present, he took note of his rapid breathing, while behind him the room labored to restore order. Air scrubbers hummed—costly wall tapestries undulating in the summoned breeze. Prized carpets sealed their fibers against the spread of spilled fluids. The droid shuffled in obvious confliction. Sidious pivoted to take in the disarray: antique furniture overturned; framed artwork askew. As if a whirlwind had swept through. And facedown on the floor lay a statue of Yanjon, one of four law-giving sages of Dwartii.
A piece Sidious had secretly coveted.
Also sprawled there, Plagueis: his slender limbs splayed and elongated head turned to one side. Dressed in finery, as for a night on the town.
And now dead.
Or was he?
Uncertainty rippled through Sidious, rage returning to his eyes. A tremor of his own making, or one of forewarning? Was it possible that the wily Muun had deceived him? Had Plagueis unlocked the key to immortality, and survived after all? Never mind that it would constitute a petty move for one so wise—for one who had professed to place the Grand Plan above all else. Had Plagueis become ensnared in a self-spun web of jealousy and possessiveness, victim of his own engineering, his own foibles?
If he hadn’t been concerned for his own safety, Sidious might have pitied him. Wary of approaching the corpse of his former Master, he called on the Force to roll the aged Muun over onto his back. From that angle Plagueis looked almost as he had when Sidious first met him, decades earlier: smooth, hairless cranium; humped nose, with its bridge flattened as if from a shock-ball blow and its sharp tip pressed almost to his upper lip; jutting lower jaw; sunken eyes still brimming with menace—a physical characteristic rarely encountered in a Muun. But then Plagueis had never been an ordinary Muun, nor an ordinary being of any sort.
Sidious took care, still reaching out with the Force. On closer inspection, he saw that Plagueis’s already cyanotic flesh was smoothing out, his features relaxing.
Faintly aware of the whir of air scrubbers and sounds of the outside world infiltrating the luxurious suite, he continued the vigil; then, in relief, he pulled himself up to his full height and let out his breath. This was no Sith trick. Not an instance of feigning death, but one of succumbing to its cold embrace. The being who had guided him to power was gone.
Wry amusement narrowed his eyes.
The Muun might have lived another hundred years unchanged. He might have lived forever had he succeeded fully in his quest. But in the end—though he could save others from death—he had failed to save himself.
A sense of supreme accomplishment puffed Sidious’s chest, and his thoughts unreeled.
Well, then, that wasn’t nearly as bad as we thought it might be...
Rarely did events play out as imagined, in any case. The order of future events was transient. In the same way that the past was reconfigured by selective memory, future events, too, were moving targets. One could only act on instinct, grab hold of an intuited perfect moment, and spring into action. One heartbeat late and the universe would have recomposed itself, no imposition of will sufficient to forestall the currents. One could only observe and react. Surprise was the element absent from any periodic table. A keystone element; a missing ingredient. The means by which the Force amused itself. A reminder to all sentient beings that some secrets could never be unlocked.
Confident that the will of the dark side had been done, he returned to the suite’s window wall. Two beings in a galaxy of countless trillions, but what had transpired in the suite would affect the lives of all of them. Already the galaxy had been shaped by the birth of one, and henceforth would be reshaped by the death of the other. But had the change been felt and recognized elsewhere? Were his sworn enemies aware that the Force had shifted irrevocably? Would it be enough to rouse them from self-righteousness? He hoped not. For now the work of vengeance could begin in earnest.
His eyes sought and found an ascending constellation of stars, one of power and consequence new to the sky, though soon to be overwhelmed by dawn’s first light. Low in the sky over the flatlands, visible only to those who knew where and how to look, it ushered in a bold future. To some the stars and planets might seem to be moving as ever, destined to align in configurations calculated long before their fiery births. But in fact the heavens had been perturbed, tugged by dark matter into novel alignments. In his mouth, Sidious tasted the tang of blood; in his chest, he felt the monster rising, emerging from shadowy depths and contorting his aspect into something fearsome just short of revealing itself to the world.
The dark side had made him its property, and now he made the dark side his.
Breathless, not from exertion but from the sudden inspiration of power, he let go of the sill and allowed the monster to writhe through his body like an unbroken beast of range or prairie.
Had the Force ever been so strong in anyone?
Sidious had never learned how Plagueis’s own Master had met his end. Had he died at Plagueis’s hand? Had Plagueis, too, experienced a similar exultation on becoming a sole Sith Lord? Had the beast of the end time risen then to peek at the world it was to inhabit, knowing its release was imminent?
Source: Darth Plagueis
Apr 21st, 2018 11:49 PM
The Ellimist
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Location: United States
Sidious by his meditation feat mid Plagueis novel wins.
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Apr 22nd, 2018 02:16 AM
AncientPower
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Valkorion in a relatively good fight. But honestly, Sheev doesn't stand a chance.
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Apr 22nd, 2018 03:07 AM
CuckedCurry
Registered: Jan 2018
Location: The Promised Land
quote: (post ) Originally posted by Rockydonovang
Prior to what I'm about to show you, sids and plag were on par:
You proved nothing. There is nothing in the source that supports the idea that Sidious is far more powerful than Plagueis.
Apr 22nd, 2018 06:03 AM
Freedon Nadd
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Registered: Feb 2015
Location: Romania
quote: (post ) Originally posted by The Ellimist
Sidious by his meditation feat mid Plagueis novel wins.
which is a Sith ritual.
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Apr 22nd, 2018 07:09 AM
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Apr 22nd, 2018 07:37 AM
Rockydonovang
freedom fighter
Registered: Dec 2016
Location:
quote: (post ) Originally posted by CuckedCurry
You proved nothing. There is nothing in the source that supports the idea that Sidious is far more powerful than Plagueis.
Sidious's power growth is likened to a "gravatic shift" and is big enough that the author feels the need to write metaphors about planets shaking in their orbit. He's far above Plagueis.
Apr 24th, 2018 06:23 AM
Rockydonovang
freedom fighter
Registered: Dec 2016
Location:
To see why this isn't a contest, lets start with Plagueis:
-> Plagueis reaching out to everyone in the galaxy remains more impressive than anything Valk has to offer.
-> TK: Plagueis scales waaay above peeps who can put up fotress sized barriers
-> Lightning: Plagueis has set landscapes on fire pre-prime
-> Holistics? The force itself directly intervened to stop Plagueis performing the first feat before punishing Plagueis by wrecking his shit.
-> Knowledge? Plagueis knows how to manipulate the force on it's most fundemental level. He can literally put fckers into the force.
Plagueis is better than Valk in just about everything
Sidious? He's far more powerful than Plagueis. And we haven't even taken into account that Sidious is, at a minimum, a top 3 swordsmen of all time as of ROTS. Valk, he doesn't use a lightsaber. Valk con only keep himself from being skewered through the use of tutaminis.
How do you think this fight is going to go?
Hint: It takes way more energy to stop a lightsaber blade than to move a lightsaber hilt
TLDR: Valk dies. There's a reason Valk did so badly in Ant's force user tournament, and I don't think it was everyone valk fans disagreed with being stupid.
Last edited by Rockydonovang on Apr 24th, 2018 at 06:39 AM
Apr 24th, 2018 06:35 AM
Freedon Nadd
Senior Member
Registered: Feb 2015
Location: Romania
quote: (post ) Originally posted by Rockydonovang
Sidious's power growth is likened to a "gravatic shift" and is big enough that the author feels the need to write metaphors about planets shaking in their orbit. He's far above Plagueis.
What Luceno said: Plagueis' reign is over, Palpatine's begins.
Also, the shaking part comes from Plagueis, and not Palpatine. And, to be honest, it is a metaphor - the events have not occurred this way - and it is more likely to be just a Disturbance in the Force.
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Last edited by Freedon Nadd on Apr 24th, 2018 at 06:52 AM
Apr 24th, 2018 06:48 AM
Rockydonovang
freedom fighter
Registered: Dec 2016
Location:
I'm aware it was a metaphor, but it's not a metaphor the author would use if the growth wasn't massive.
AZ and co can deal with your first sentence.
Apr 24th, 2018 06:53 AM
McP
Senior Member
Registered: Sep 2014
Location: Poland
Sidious in a good fight takes 10 out of 10
Apr 24th, 2018 06:25 PM
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