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psycho gundam wrote on Jul 27th, 2018 12:49 PM:
This will be a longer post than last time.

my character will render himself immaterial (which goes through shields) as well as totally invisible

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He can also scan the whole planet to locate my opponent.

But most importantly...

-The power of Vector-

Let's just get down to brass tax here: Abhilegend is going to toss out a whole bunch of stuff about spells for offense and defense.

Vector blocks Strange's magics which renders his orb of Aggamotto the level of an early 80's Zenith tube television (you know the joint set in wood that your grandma probably had, that shit) as well as himself who is a conduit for magic and also within the Sanctum Sanctorum which is a home built on a focal point of magical energies where he is most potent unable to conjure anything. He specifically stated:

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"Deflecting my spells"

"I have exhausted all means of enchantment"

Let's really take that in. Walk with me.

Strange, for all his bouts vs extra-dimensional beings cannot for the life of him take a dime from behind Beasts dirty ear cause Vector banned magic (and other energies (we will revisit this, trust me)). What is Strange without magic? Maybe a decent martial artist and surgeon.

If the battlefield is big as shit, Vector's ability to deflect is global in scope. He was in Gamma base which is in the US desert and the entire planet's heroes were unable to locate where he was (see: Strange) including the Soviet super-soldiers in the U.S.S.R. and Alpha flight in Canada not to mention Namor in Atlantis and The Leader in orbit.

-Living laser-

How do I put this. being composed of electromagnetic radiation with no mass is pretty shitty right about now. Vector repelled magic, telepathy and electromagnetic wavelengths. Even Reed couldn't get through. Whatever limits the arena are is where your character is being shunted to just as the match starts even worse than these people were. Let's for a second imagine that magic was not being deflected. How would the Living laser conjure anything whilst his body is being pushed back and contorted perpetually by "some strange force"? It's a double whammy.

Not only is he a horrible addition to his amalgam here, Martian manhunter can damage Immaterial beings, case in point the Ray

https://imgur.com/x9CwOJM

https://imgur.com/gKy50qt

https://imgur.com/gKy50qt

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the Ray being a far more formidable and versatile version of Living laser and even he can't take much Martian vision. Living laser is going to get destroyed on a molecular level.

RAPE as stated in my last match can cover Neptune's surface several times over going 1/8 his full speed (which is Double L's max speed), can scan the planet for a single mind amongst trillions (humans and animals), burn intangible beings, repel magic and said intangible energy beings and repel telepathy. He can't see or track my character AT ALL.

His magic/telepathy nor EM wavelength powers can touch RAPE period, and the deflection power emanates from him omnidirectionally. There is probably a lot more but man...

I can do whatever I want to do to Abhilegend against his will and there is nothing he can do to fight back

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This is a horrible match up for my opponent.

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So, let's do this.

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First off, a summary of good Dr defenses which will be up at the start.
Simple shields tank destruction of a planet, tanked a supernova, a pissed off Mephisto, a pissed off Dormammu, even a big bang (confirmed decades later) and even attacks which were ripping entire dimensions aparts. There are just too many such scans so I'm just posting some of the good ones. If need be, I'll post more later.
So forget about breaking Strange's autoshields.
Now, we get to his casted shields. Holds off Dormammu hurling enough force to topple planets, shields from Galactus, shields from Cyttorak in his own realm, Mephisto and Satannish etc. Strange can cast these shields by just a thought.



https://postimg.cc/gallery/1htv3wwkc/
https://postimg.cc/gallery/kshs5rdo/



These shields can even stop the intangible attacks like Deathurge which have pierced the likes of Quasar and Silver Surfer with no issues.



http://i.imgur.com/4NZu3Zs.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/IHY9b0F.jpg



Deathurge attacks are by default intangible.


https://static.comicvine.com/upload...12794/6190177-1(avengers_v1%23248).jpg [Phil's edit: copy this link in its entirety in browser, then click enter. Forum messes it up once it encounters paranthesis]


The next thing is speed, Living Laser can of course move at speed of light.

https://postimg.cc/gallery/2o2twfz8u/


But what you don't know is that Dr Strange can move at the speed of thought as well.

https://postimg.cc/gallery/2i0gh0u9k/

Umar cleaved through Earth in a microsecond with her spell. Dr Strange moved so fast that time stood still while he overtook her spell meant to kill Clea and had enough time to move around and stop the spell by his own shields.

So that takes care of speed issue. After all J'onn is not lightspeed fast and Wally West approaching lightspeed made Zum (white Martian) look like a statue.

https://static.comicvine.com/upload...79267-29974.jpg

I'm even faster than that.

Then I become intangible and undetectable by the likes of Brother Voodoo and Iron Man who have actually detected magic.

https://postimg.cc/gallery/1f07fasry/

And let's face it, J'onn is horrible against magic. Faust has blinded him with no effort and even a comatose Zatanna booted him out of her mind, Arion has simply controlled him very easily and so has Wotan.

https://postimg.cc/gallery/3cwrj28mm/

Next, I blind J'onn just like I blinded Mephisto.

https://postimg.cc/gallery/las7qsz2/

Next thing is his TP. Just forget about that.

Defeats Umar in her own realm. Umar has easily mindcontrolled Hulk in the past.

http://i.imgur.com/sghOaoo.jpg

Bested Nightmare in his own realm.

http://i.imgur.com/5dCobPS.jpg

And even Adam Warlock using mind gem when he had full IG were not able to do anything to Strange with the eye of Agamotto.

https://postimg.cc/gallery/1qhte6p9a/

And has dropped HOM Wanda with just one attack.

https://postimg.cc/gallery/2ritjxo32/

Next is strength. Even the mindless Hulk can't breach Strange's autoshields and just gives up.

http://i.imgur.com/sI7JL3E.jpg

Next is intangibility which I already covered in autoshields part. Just to let you know J'onn only partially becomes intangible so his atoms don't drift apart and he is still vulnerable to fire.

https://postimg.cc/gallery/1l6ljxve6/

And Dr Strange can create flames so intense that even Ghost Rider, a being of pure hellfire can't withstand it.

http://i.imgur.com/EkLcZud.jpg

Or create flames which would burn forever.

https://postimg.cc/gallery/1l6ljxve6/

J'onn was almost killed by a mere blast of hellfire from Etrigan.

https://postimg.cc/gallery/pbhqm0j2/

Circe has also oneshotted J'onn while shutting off his TP.

https://postimg.cc/image/sd0gdxbd9/

So there is nothing he can do while I trap him into an illusion of his fear (fire).

https://postimg.cc/gallery/11nuwd49o/

Create actual fire to melt him down, cut off his telepathy, transmute him into basically nothing like Circe did.

https://postimg.cc/image/rda5i1w5p/

I didn't forget about Vector which PG would bring this.

The context is that Vector was camofloging the network of the broadcast and Strange was only using tracking spells to pinpoint the location. Later Bereet, Betty and Rick Jones casually walked in there without no resistance.

https://postimg.cc/gallery/12dwtrtbi/

All this proves is that Vector can deflect Strange's tracker spell. Now he can't even do that as his power has no effect on intangible beings like Vision showed here.

https://postimg.cc/image/o7pjrw39p/

Which both Strange and Living Laser are.

Or I just overpower Vector's telekinesis just like Strange stopped a charging Hulk to stop with a finger (Which Vector could never do).

https://postimg.cc/image/8aqrvfqdp/

And blast the shit out of J'onn like I did to Hulk.

https://postimg.cc/gallery/28iviurzi/

So in essence, PG is blinded, his TP cut off, placed in an illusion, transmuted and all around destroyed with ease. And I'm just getting started.

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This will be a longer post than last time.

my character will render himself immaterial (which goes through shields) as well as totally invisible

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He can also scan the whole planet to locate my opponent.

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But most importantly...

-The power of Vector-

Let's just get down to brass tax here: Abhilegend is going to toss out a whole bunch of stuff about spells for offense and defense.

Vector blocks Strange's magics which renders his orb of Aggamotto the level of an early 80's Zenith tube television (you know the joint set in wood that your grandma probably had, that shit) as well as himself who is a conduit for magic and also within the Sanctum Sanctorum which is a home built on a focal point of magical energies where he is most potent unable to conjure anything. He specifically stated:



"Deflecting my spells"

"I have exhausted all means of enchantment"

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*Random no limit fallacy*

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Not only is he a horrible addition to his amalgam here, Martian manhunter can damage Immaterial beings, case in point the Ray

https://imgur.com/x9CwOJM

https://imgur.com/gKy50qt

https://imgur.com/gKy50qt

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the Ray being a far more formidable and versatile version of Living laser and even he can't take much Martian vision. Living laser is going to get destroyed on a molecular level.

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RAPE as stated in my last match can cover Neptune's surface several times over going 1/8 his full speed (which is Double L's max speed), can scan the planet for a single mind amongst trillions (humans and animals), burn intangible beings, repel magic and said intangible energy beings and repel telepathy. He can't see or track my character AT ALL.

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His magic/telepathy nor EM wavelength powers can touch RAPE period, and the deflection power emanates from him omnidirectionally. There is probably a lot more but man...

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I can do whatever I want to do to Abhilegend against his will and there is nothing he can do to fight back

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Originally posted by psycho gundam
My apologies for the delay yet again. I intended to post this days ago.

The only pertinent part of his OP is what I will address:



Oh boy. Pretty low level spin doctoring above.

First off, those characters waltzing into Gamma base was explained in your scans.

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Originally posted by abhilegend
Let's recap this. This is the only offense PG has turned up with.

https://imgur.com/X7NhG94

And this.

https://i.imgur.com/jyk4Sf0.jpg

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For me much of PG's battle relies on a single instance of vector deflecting spells. The spells in question as pointed out by abhi (and I thoight myself before he did so) are limited in nature and extending that to all Strange's spells is somewhat a no limit fallacy. Without said protections I see no real defense for the magical arsenal of Strange. Conversely despite the few scans of MMH affecting intangible apponents abhi showed there are times when he cant and I can think of several more off the top of my head.

My vote goes to abhi

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To be short:

I agree that PG will be able to deflect tracking spells, so he won't be found. Abhi tried to counter this, by showing other instances of Stranger overpowering anti-magic stuff, but it's clear in that instance that Strange was trying, but couldn't track him down [from a distance, which is the starting position here]. But saying he'd be able to deflect all spells is a faulty, no-limits argument.

Now, the match hinged on a few things:
- can intangibility go through Dr. Strange's shield [because nothing else from PG's side even comes close to the feats of defence Abhi posted]? Deathurge was posted as proof it does not, and it was never countered.
- can Strange cope with J'onn's telepathy and do something? yes, based on the feats abhi posted.
- is J'onn vulnerable to fire? abhi posted multiple-scans after the Fernus arc, which clearly show him downed by it. The last ditch attempt to turn into Fernus was, let's say, unproven, from multiple points of view.
- abhi, too, brought up his own cloaking - and it was never addressed. and he also posted how he sees the world close-up, which certainly suggests he can see PG when the latter tries to get near as immaterial and pass through his shield.

A very good defence, and an opponent-tailored offense [and much more] means that...
Abhi wins.

I think PG was too focused on re-iterating his own position than to counter the multitude of counter-arguments Abhi posted. On the other hand, Abhi was throwing the kitchen sink here, and while it felt like a Dr. Strange respect thread with random cameos by Living Laser [an e-tear was flowing down when I opened the n-th link, and it linked to a gallery with multiple-images], in the end, it's better to have full context of scenes, than no context, and to double-triple back up your arguments.