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Anakin and Kenobi faking out Dooku

Someone on CV said that Anakin and Kenobi luring Dooku into a false sense of security by using different lightsaber techniques [like they did in the ROTS novel] is still canon.

Anyone have the source or quote?


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>implying Canon actually keeps track of what is published in Canon sources


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I know the novel is technically still canon where it doesn't contradict the movie, but I hadnt seen the whole "form fake out" thing mentioned in any sources outside the novel. And definitely not in current canon.


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ROTS Visual Guide also mentions the faking.


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It was never a canon in legends, lol. Until someone was puting book aboce movie and script.

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I love the ROTS novel depiction of the duel. It actually made Obi Wan seem like a threat to Dooku, especially with his use of soresu, where as in the movie he essentially just embarrasses himself.

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Originally posted by TheIndyJedi
I love the ROTS novel depiction of the duel. It actually made Obi Wan seem like a threat to Dooku, especially with his use of soresu, where as in the movie he essentially just embarrasses himself.


The novel does a lot of that with Kenobi. His unarmed fight with Grievous is more in favor of him than the cyborg.


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Wait, on that note, was RoTS ever recut from the theatrical release? Like a directors cut or an extended edition or anything?


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Wait, on that note, was RoTS ever recut from the theatrical release? Like a directors cut or an extended edition or anything?


I know the original cut was over 4 hours long which from the sounds of it, honestly would've benefited the film.

The original cut no doubt exists, just hasn't been released.


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Yeah, it's canon:

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Lmao @ them just copy and pasting the text from the original. ^


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That's pretty much all the "New Edition" is, tbh. Just a compendium of all the previous Visual Guides, with a few additions here and there to accommodate some of the new canon(Vader's entry mentions the happenings with Cylo from the comics, for example.)


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Originally posted by TheNuisanceBird
The novel does a lot of that with Kenobi. His unarmed fight with Grievous is more in favor of him than the cyborg.
Uh... So's the movie...?

Obi-Wan was cutting off arms left and right.


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Uh... So's the movie...?

Obi-Wan was cutting off arms left and right.


Unarmed. Without the sabers.


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Originally posted by TheIndyJedi
I love the ROTS novel depiction of the duel. It actually made Obi Wan seem like a threat to Dooku, especially with his use of soresu, where as in the movie he essentially just embarrasses himself.

Shame that the movie is higher canon, in which Kenobi was absolutely clowned thumb up

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Originally posted by Galan007
Yeah, it's canon:

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So a confused Dooku retreats after being tricked, and still dominates? Nice.

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So a confused Dooku retreats after being tricked, and still dominates? Nice.

It's indeed confisung. They try so hard to makes it canon, which is at least a bit pathetic. Lucas indeed intended to do that this way in the movie, as ealier version of script suggest:

OBI-WAN and ANAKIN charge COUNT DOOKU. A great sword fight ensues.
- it's what we seen in the movie; they charged at Dooku, he did well in defencing himself, but was forcing back

DOOKU lunges at the JEDI and they fall back . . .
COUNT DOOKU: (continuing) Your moves are clumsy, Kenobi . . . too predictable. You'll have to do better.
As the battle proceeds, OBI-WAN and COUNT DOOKU are tired. ANAKIN is stronger as he becomes angry.(...)

- Dooku charges at them, and they fall back, which might suggest, that they started pretending. Dooku considers Kenobi as clumsy, which is another implemention, that they were were faking.

But it shouldn't be treat as a canon, since it was deleted.

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I love the ROTS novel depiction of the duel. It actually made Obi Wan seem like a threat to Dooku, especially with his use of soresu, where as in the movie he essentially just embarrasses himself.


Tbh, this fight in Stover's version is much more similar to their final fight in TCW. Dooku's Force powers aren't much of a factor, an he defeats Kenobi with a physcial attacks, like he almost did in TCW.

And Kenobi's Soresu against Dooku is overated in that novel as well: it wasn't lack of Dooku's skill to break Kenobi's defenses, it was lack if time, as Skywalker was rejoing fight very quickly. And it would be nearly impossible to overcame Kenobi's masterful Soresu, while defending against Skywalker's masterful Djem So.

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And Kenobi's Soresu against Dooku is overated in that novel as well: it wasn't lack of Dooku's skill to break Kenobi's defenses, it was lack if time, as Skywalker was rejoing fight very quickly. And it would be nearly impossible to overcame Kenobi's masterful Soresu, while defending against Skywalker's masterful Djem So.


This is actually true. We've never gotten to see an extended amount of time where Dooku's been able to duel Kenobi without Anakin breathing down his neck with Djem So.

Many say Dooku could eventually get around Kenobi's defenses although I'm not sure if he'd tire out before hand because it'd take a VERY long time.


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Many say Dooku could eventually get around Kenobi's defenses although I'm not sure if he'd tire out before hand because it'd take a VERY long time.


Well, Dooku's stamina is a bit underrated as well. He's loosing it much faster, when he's forced to meet a stronger opponent head to head. Due to his passive style, Obi-Wan wont be able to force Dooku to anyghtin. In that way, Makashi is perhaps the best form, for saving energy. It's also somwhow confirmed in that deleted part of ROTS script:
As the battle proceeds, OBI-WAN and COUNT DOOKU are tired.

Dooku is just that kind of enemy, who's negating all of Kenobi's strong points. His mastery over Makashi will let him to save more energy, his superiority in the Force will be helpful in that area as well. His tactical, analytical mind will also helps him against Kenobi, as Kenobi is very often to out smart his enemies.

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So a confused Dooku retreats after being tricked, and still dominates? Nice.

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