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My theories *SPOILERS*
ok, im new to this forum, and i just saw the movie, and i think its genius. to the people that dont like it, i believe its just cause you dont understand. my theories just stuck on my mind and im going to share them with you, some are more obvious than others, but here goes. (btw its 4am and im tired, so please excuse the immense spelling errors and bad grammar that are more than likely to come)
*MAJOR SPOILERS*
<b> the reason why neo views the area as gold when he enteres the machine world</b>
notice at first, the way he looks at the ground as he walks, it creates ripples on the ground. this is either from his immense power, or interesting enough, is that it makes the appearence of walking on water, which depicts him similar to jesus, or a savior, aka a MESSIAH. shortly after, the walls around him are in an odd pattern. similar to an upside town table to be basic. the way the matrix flows creates the illusion that he is like moses at that moment, parting the sea inorder to save his people, he inturn does.
<b>why smith was so confused about his vision:</b>
Remember before smith absorbed the oracle, and when he walks in and throws the cookies on the wall, he states that she knew he was going to do it, but still she put the cookies there anyway.. why? and also that she knows what hes there for, but why didnt she run? the reason i believe is because she needed smith to absorb her, inorder to help neo. think back to the previos matrix movies where shes questioned "how do i know i can trust you" she simply sais "you dont". Now, this comes into play with the fact that she provides smith with a false vision of the future, making him believe that hes going to win the fight, and it isnt until the moment in the mud where he realizes something is different..
<b>why the agent smiths were killed:</b>
at first i didnt really understand it, but then i thought back to the oracles earrings, the yin yang. This in turn reminded me of when she said Smith was the complete oppisite of Neo. Now, this is the idea behind how smith was killed. Think of basic math: look at this way, add 1, and a -1. the two negate eachother, therefore leaving nothing. so in turn, neo is good (positive) smith is bad (negative) the two combining negates eachother and the existance of either. thats that.
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ok its late as hell and i cant think of anything else i was thinking about earlier.. but i think they may make another matrix. the reason is theres so much unexplained. the main thing is that htey still dont fully explain what the matrix is. zion is a program, the "matrix" is a program, so if zion is a program the machine world is a program as well. but the thing is, what is actually holding these programs? maybe its just that the people in the matrix view it as a program, but maybe its something bigger?
another reason, is the fact that hte machines and humans cant co-exist for long. they had an agreement or truce, but technically the machines need the humans. as stated before they rely on humans, therefore when their energy is exhausted, their going to need to harvest some more. so i dont think the series is really over. i for one would enjoy it if they made another, as long as they dont start throwing fireballs and shit in the fightscenes. like i said in the beginning, i think the people that dont like it are the ones that dont take the time to appreciate it and UNDERSTAND IT. not all movies are straightforward kiddies, it helps to think once in a while.
but a theory i had is that EVERYONE in the matrix is a program, even the humans walking around, since zion is a program this is possible. now, this ties into the questionable existance of FATE. perhaps each individual person has no real choices in life thats why the oracle is able to always know whats going on. its as if the "oracle eyes" simply let you read the whole coding of the program, so in turn you know what their going to do next... just a thought.
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zion isn't a programme
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yes, oogy is correct, Zion, or the machine world, for that matter, is not a program, the program ends at the Matrix.
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Velaius
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read this "the matrix explained" this was written sometime after reloaded and ALOT of good theories are within it.
Zion is a program, just like the Matrix.
How is Neo able to figure out that he is able to stop the sentinels in
Zion near the end of the film? The spoon given to him earlier. It had
obviously been bent loads, but how outside the Matrix?? This gave Neo
the inspiration and the understanding that Zion is still a matrix.
The One explained
"The One" is a program, but has to be "attached" to someone in the
Matrix. So Mr. Anderson got it in the 6th version of the Matrix. Then
"The One" program's purpose is to allow Zion to be destroyed then to
rebuild it. The reason for this is because of anomalies - the 1% of
humans that don't accept the Matrix. These are all brought out of the
Matrix program and into the Zion program by the "Morpheus" program and
other similar "ship captain" programs. Then once all the anomalies are
out of the Matrix (and in Zion), that is the time for Zion to be
destroyed, thus killing all the anomalies off.
The Matrix is then upgraded, thus creating the next version of the
Matrix, but Zion must be rebuilt so that the next lot of anomalies can
be brought out again so that they can be destroyed. This is the
feedback-loop, and is the reason to retain a handful of people so t! hat
Zion can be rebuilt. So this is why Neo said the prophecy was a lie -
the One's purpose was not to end the war as the prophecy stated.
Unfortunately, "The One" program must be re-used each time, or copied,
so it can be "attached" to a new anomaly inside the Matrix.
So what happens to the old "The One" program? It faces deletion, and as
the Oracle explained, it goes into exile instead, just like the French
bloke (the Merovingian) did. He was the first One (probably from the
second version of the Matrix), and once he fulfilled his duty, he
became an exile program and "abdicated" his "Oneness" by choosing
Persephone and power. This is evident in the bogs when Persephone asks
Neo to kiss her. She says she wants him to kiss her so she can feel what
it is like again to be kissed by something close to human, just like the
Merovingian used to be. Then she says to Trinity that she envies her,
but that these things are not meant to last. So the Merovingian used
to be just like Neo - a One - thus proving further the feedback-loop
explained earlier.
The correct door in the Architect's room:
Now there are two possibilities here:
1. All the previous One's chose the right door allowing a "temporary
dissemination" of their code into the Matrix (i.e., the code they
"carry" thus indicating Neo is indeed human), then he must select
(unplug) 23 people from the Matrix to rebuild Zion. This takes away the
possibility that stories from previous rebuilds of Zion will be carried
through.
But Morpheus indicated in the first Matrix that this is the
case anyway. He said, "there was a man born inside, able to change
things, it was he who freed the first of us," - basically the One
previous to Neo. And this proves that the previous One chose the right
door also. Neo's purpose is also to choose the right door, but he does
not because he faces deletion afterwards and has the c! hoice of going
into exile - programs choosing to go into exile is the one thing that
can't be accounted for in program parameters. Thus, he chooses the left
door instead this time. How was Neo able to choose the other door?
Because of his extreme willpower? - Even the Architect indicated that
he'd noticed this - "Interesting. That was quicker than the others." Or
more likely, because the Oracle upgraded his coding with the candy on
the park bench. The candy/cookie was a method to change the One's
program. She said he has made a believer out of her - this is quite
human-like and perhaps the previous One's didn't accept the upgrade
candy, now she has hope... hope that Neo will finally choose the other
door.
2. All the previous One's chose the left door, saving Trinity and
letting Zion fall. So this time is no different. But the Architect does
say, "You are here because Zion is about to be destroyed. Its every
living inhabitant terminate! d, its entire existence eradicated," and
also, "this will be the sixth time we have destroyed it, and we have
become exceedingly efficient at it," - assuming the Architect isn't
lying, then they have already destroyed Zion (i.e., Zion has fallen)
five times - i.e., the result of going through the left door. Morpheus
and Trinity are programs. Morpheus's purpose was to find the One and
deliver him to the Architect. Trinity's purpose is to control the One by
getting in love with him. Trinity is supposed to be the mother of the
new One every time the Matrix is Reloaded. That's why the sex scene was
so important and why she was named Trinity. The Architect says, "she is
going to die, and there is nothing that you can do to stop it." He was
correct though because she did die just like Neo did in the first
Matrix (Oracle said he or Morpheus would, and she didn't lie, but he
came back to life). Trinity dies, but comes back to lif! e (we are using
medical definition of death in all this of course!).
The Architect has already laid down an ultimatum for Neo choosing the
left door: The Architect - "Failure to comply with this process will
result in a cataclysmic system crash killing everyone connected to the
matrix, which coupled with the extermination of Zion will ultimately
result in the extinction of the entire human race." Neo - "You won't let
it happen, you can't. You need human beings to survive."
The Architect - "There are levels of survival we are prepared to accept.
However, the relevant issue is whether or not you are ready to accept
the responsibility for the death of every human being in this world."
Looking at this further, the Architect does say "coupled" with the
extermination of Zion will the human race be exterminated. So he says
everyone connected to the Matrix will die, but if Zion is not
exterminated, the human race will not necessarily! die. Also, there is
likely to be a time-window between not going through the right door, and
the cataclysmic crash, thus allowing Neo to unplug as many as possible
from the Matrix, then tho
se people won't die. This will be the start of
the next Zion. As for the Matrix, a cataclysmic crash doesn't mean the
end of the Matrix - just needs rebooting or reloading!
Agent Smith explained
Agent Smith is the only "human" in this world. He's the one spreading
himself like a virus replicating himself over and over until the Matrix
will finally get overloaded and fail. Smith is the one who wants to get
out of the Matrix for good. He said so in the first Matrix, "I must get
out of here, I must get free! And in this mind, is the key," squeezing
Morpheus's temples, "my key! Once Zion is destroyed, there is no need
for me to be here!" Smith knows that by killing Neo he can escape the
Matrix because Neo is the key to resetting the Matri! x, or to shut it
off. It was originally killing Neo (in the first Matrix) that allowed
Smith to become powerful (cloning ability) - so killing Neo again will
allow him to gain Neo's powers completely, and thus gain the power to
shut down the Matrix. So where the hell did Smith come from if he wants
to destroy the Matrix?
He's obviously not meant to be there - he's a computer virus as he has
every characteristic of a virus - he multiplies and spreads and infects
(and emulates) other programs like one. He is exactly as he described
humans at the end of the first Matrix - "You move to an area and you
multiply and multiply until every natural resource is consumed and the
only way you can survive is to spread to another area. There is another
organism on this planet that follows the same pattern. Do you know what
it is? A
virus." But who put him there? This will only be revealed in
Revolutions (Revelations?) I guess - but I! 'm betting on humans in the
real real world, i.e., outside of Zion and the Matrix. They're at war
with the machines and trying to destroy them by infecting them with this
virus - Agent Smith. So the irony with this theory is that Agent Smith
represents the human race!! Neo represents the machines! Agent Smith
says to Neo just after he's seen the Oracle that he became free when Neo
destroyed him in the first Matrix (remember when Neo entered his body
and exploded him from inside out) - as a virus, Smith has the ability to
"inherit" other programs' abilities and thus inherited some of Neo's.
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Velaius
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The anomaly explained
The anomaly is all the humans that do not accept the Matrix. The
Architect says "Your life is the sum of a remainder of an unbalanced
equation inherent to the programming of the matrix. You are the
eventuality of an anomaly, which despite my sincerest efforts I have
been unable to eliminate from what is otherwise a harmony of
mathematical precision. While it remains a burden to sedulously avoid
it, it is not unexpected, and thus not beyond a measure of control."
This includes Neo, but Neo's Matrix avatar
is attached with the One program so that he can follow his purpose as
explained earlier under "The One explained". However, he is also
supposed to protect himself and destroy anything that gets in his way -
i.e., Agent Smith - so that he may fulfil his purpose. Further proving
Neo - and other non-accepters of the Matrix - are the anomaly, the
Architect says, "Your life is the sum of a remainder of an unbalanced
equation inherent to the programming of the matrix." The clue here is
Neo's program name - "The One". Take one-third for example. 1 over 3 is
0.33333 recurring. A computer canno
t deal with recurring numbers, so
must accept a limit, let's say 0.33333 for argument's sake. Multiply by
3, you get 0.99999 - never 1.00000! , where has the "remainder" 0.00001
(One) gone? This is the limitation of computers, this is the
mathematical imprecision inherent in programming (of the Matrix) and the
eventuality of the One anomaly unable to be eliminated.
What is the equation then?
Not sure, but it definitely involves pi. The Keymaker refers to the
window of time to open the door to the mainframe as 314 seconds. 3.14 is
pi to three sig. figs., or the number of radians in half a circle. Half
a circle is like the cross-section of a womb, similar to the alcove of
Neo and Trinity's love scene - conceiving the next One? "NEO",
incidently, is an anagram of "ONE". Trinity and Neo - one on one; a
choice - one or one. Leads us to 101. "101" is mentioned numerous times
in Matrix 1 and Reloaded. Neo's room at the beginning, Merovingian is on
the 101st floor, the 101 freeway of the car chase in Reloaded, then when
Trinity is hacking into the power plant system, she reset! s the
password to Z10N0101. Freaky. Indicates that she is a program because
that's not some random password she's put in. 101 is binary for 5, which
in zero-based binary counting:
000 is 1, 001, is 2, 010 is 3, 011 is 4, 100 is 5, 101 is 6 - And
this is the 6th version of the Matrix! Then there's 303. 303 is the room
Neo got shot in Matrix 1, the Oracle lives in room 303, it's also the
hotel room number Trinity is in in Matrix 1 and it's seen at the end
when Neo fights the Agents and Smith and begins to literally see the
code that makes up the Matrix. 101 x 3 = 303, a trilogy, 3 + 0 + 3 = 6 =
the 6th Matrix. Trinity means 3.
Who is the "mother" that the Architect refers to?
The Architect says, "Please," in an almost disapproving sense when Neo
suggests the Oracle, but does not reveal who it really is or even
directly that Neo is wrong. The architect was the one who created the
Matrix; the co-creator is neither Pers! ephone nor the Oracle. Both of
them are only programs that have a purpose in the matrix, just like the
rest. The Architect is in charge of the Matrix world and the co-creator
is in charge of Zion. She has almost the same age as the Architect.
Therefore, that woman is the Head Counsellor, the only woman of
importance that lives in Zion and the one who asked for the two captains
to volunteer at the council meeting. She's the one who knew all along
about the Matrix. She was the one who told Zion's Defence Minister to
cool off and to let Morpheus do his work so things could go as planned.
Or alternatively, it could indeed be the Oracle. She is the only program
that truly wants humans to have a free choice... at the same time, she
sees the future, because she knows the program code - she is like God -
which is why Seraph protects her - see "Who is Seraph?" below.
What's so special about Neo's avatar?
Neo is a skilled hacker, a! nd his avatar in the Matrix is based on the
person that founded the AI of the original machines that eventually took
over the world... How? Take a look at the disc he gave to the bloke at
the door at the beginning of Matrix 1. It said "DISC AI" on it. The
hollowed book Neo takes the disc out of is "Simulacra and Simulation" -
a collection of essays by the French postmodernist philosopher Jean
Baudrillard. He opens it to the section "on Nihilism"
(meaning nothing
is truly known,
etc.). "Baudrillard's concept of simulation is the creation of the
real through conceptual or 'mythological' models which have no
connection or origin in reality. The model becomes the determinant of
our perception of reality--the real." And Morpheus says, "Welcome to the
desert of the real," in Matrix 1. I'd say this book describes The Matrix
to a tee. So this disc contains the key to the AI, and thus how to
destroy the machines, so I think they'll ! use this info in Revolutions
to ultimately destroy the machines, which means he'll have to go back to
the nightclub and find the guy he gave it to.
Who is Seraph?
The reason Seraph (the chink guy Neo meets before meeting the
Oracle) had golden code and was so spectacular is that he came from the
first incarnation of the matrix, which was heaven. "Seraph" is singular
for the plural "seraphim". The seraphim are the highest choir of angels
and included amongst others: Lucifer, Gabriele, Raziel and Malaciah, and
they sit on the 8th level of Heaven just one below God. So Seraph will
obviously have a big part in Revolutions, but whose side will he be on -
the machines or the humans?? That is the question.
The Twins
They are exiled programs that emulate the human myth of ghosts as the
Oracle explained. They are programs behaving badly. Persephone killed
one of the Merovingian's bodyguards with a silver bullet because he was
emulating a werewolf. So if the Twins could phase into ghost form, why
didn't he when his arm was trapped in the door of the garage? Was it
because he was wounded or because he can't phase when his arm is
trapped? No of course not. The doors of that building, when shut, always
led somewhere else (usually in the mountains) when opened again without
the Keymaker's key. So if it were slammed shut due to the Twin phasing
into ghost form, the Twin's arm would've ended up god knows where, but
certainly not attached to the Twin's body.
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Nov 9th, 2003 07:06 PM |
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Velaius
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well.. what do you guys think of my theories?
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Nov 11th, 2003 01:39 AM |
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JediHDM
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this looks like something i've seen before...
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Nov 11th, 2003 02:41 AM |
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Velaius
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no, not the whole world, just whats seen in the movie, which is all part of something bigger. comparing the "matrix explained" with several of my theories, it seems possible. and if they are true, it leaves a door open for another part of the matrix saga. and please, dont bother saying how much you hated the 2nd or 3rd movies, we really dont care, and how many times you would shoot yourself if you made a 4th, again, we really dont care :T so please dont bother flaming the movies on this thread, thanks.
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Nov 11th, 2003 04:53 AM |
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I don't think Zion is a program...I think Neo powers outside of the Matrix, if from his vist with the Source. He's was still tied in somehow...That's how he knew that Zion would be destroyed in 24hrs, and his ability to stop the Sentinals. All the information was flooding his brian (which has to be part Machine) from the Machine mainframe. That to me explaines all his abilities outside the Matrix.
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Nov 11th, 2003 08:27 AM |
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Sorry, Velaius , but the only person who does not understand things here is YOU. Zion is not a programme- you have it utterly wrong and much of what you have posted is discredited nonsense.
The film TOLD you how Neo stopped the Sentinels- nothing to do with Zion being a Matrix. To assume you know better than that is sheer arrogance- do not waste our time with that. Just LIVE with it- that is how it is.
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Nov 11th, 2003 01:17 PM |
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The Oracle did not present Smith with a false image of the future. He simply could not understand choice, therefore he could not see past the choice to absorb Neo. The Oracle made this very clear in her conversation with Neo. She stated that one cannot see past choices one doesn't understand.
Zion is not a programme. The machines destroy Zion, free the 1% and allow Zion to be rebuilt. True, Zion is a system of control, but it is in the real world nonetheless.
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My theorie on neo being able stop the sentinels in the real world is this: Remember the burly brawl when smith starts to absorb him, I think he passed something onto them, so he had a bit of machine in him, as he said he could feel them. This is why I think the trilogy is good it lets us decide what we think as individuals, not what someone wants us to beleive!!
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Nov 11th, 2003 02:02 PM |
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OK here's the deal. Ush, I know you've been here a lot longer than me, but that was really rude what you just said. I agree with you, but that is not an excuse to bash somebody's ideas. The Matrix is a very complicated world. Only the W brothers know what it really is. I don't think Zion is a program, but still, you can't just say "You're wrong." My point is that NO ONE, not Ush, not me, not Velaius knows why things happened in the movies the way they did.
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 dont worry.....
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