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merovingian
Is there any chance that merovingian could be a past one, his sentience/essence transformed to a program? cos persephone says he used to be "just like" Neo...
I doubt it. The Oracle refers to Mero as one of the oldest of us. And The Oracle existed before The One existed, when the first two matrix's were made.
There is Zero chance...............the architect tells us that all of Neo's predecessors had to enter the mainframe and leave part of their code behind to prevent a "cataclismic system crash", then rebuild Zion............obviously all 5 did so because the Matrix still exists, it did not crash.
The points have been made so I'll just say I voted No.
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But Neo didn't leave any code behind either. And, on the screens in the Architect's abode, all the past ones look like him, b/c it's a rule. When the others restarted, its like rebooting a computer, everything is the same, and if you don't fix the computer, the same virus (NEO) will occur exactly the same. Mero is just an old outcast like Smith, but he is older and much more knowledgable. Like me.
Here's another thought I had. Everyone says that reality is still "The Matrix", can't be true! and if it is, they wasted all our time and money. The whole movie circles around that premise, why would machines waste their time if they didn't need to?
thesecond: actually, i don't think those images behind the architect were the past ones. i used to think that, until a friend pointed something out to me -- the whole movie deals with causality and our choices. neo's choices are a big part of the architect's speech. i think the screens behind him show every possible choice neo could have made. every option that went through his head.
architect: blah blah blah you're the sixth one blah blah
neo's possible reactions:
-- that can't be
-- you're full of shit
-- oh my god, it makes sense
-- get me outta here!
-- i don't get it
-- *gives the finger*
stuff like that. you'll notice that sometimes they zoom in on a particular screen and then that turns into what he actually says.
that's why there's a little bit of humor when the architect says zion will be destroyed and every screen says "bullshit."
see, all the previous ones chose to restart zion instead of going to the second door. all of the screens in that room show neo going to the second door, though, meaning to him it was his only option.
don't mean to get off-topic, but i made the same misinterpretation.
to stay a little on the subject, i don't think he's an old one. good idea, though. and yes, i'd like to see them fight.
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To tell all of you. The is no one more obssesed with The Matrix than I am. There is no one more knolwedgeable about The Matrix than I as well. To say that the Merogvingian was a past One is complete nonsence. Yes, I do beleive that Persephone says that her husband used to be like Neo, but that only means that she used to love him like Trinity loves Neo. Truly, i do beleive that Neo will undoubtably kill The Architecht and prove that he is a fraud, argo have the mergovingian tardiving.
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Pheonix........if you are confused then you understood the movie perfectly, don't be hard on yourself.
I too thought the screens represented past Neo's while watching the movie in the theatre both times. It didn't dawn on my that they represented his choices untill about the second time I was watching it on DVD........
Second........I get what you are saying, I was merely pointing out that all 5 past anomolies/the ones had to enter the mainframe......meaning they set out rebuilding Zion, it was impossible for one of them to have stayed inside the Matrix because the system would crash, the architect says that if Neo doesn't enter the mainframe and basically "reboot the system" it will crash............
I'm beginning to believe that the reason the system crashes is most likely Smith replicating himself into everyone......he is a virus after all. What better to cause a "catastrophic system failure" than an unstoppable virus...........I believe Neo will fight him in Revolutions to try and destroy him thus saving the Matrix and all the human lives that are dependant on it.
The screens in the Architects room doesn’t mean we’re looking at the previous Ones, because then there would be hundreds of predecessors. They show various states of Neos mind.
The previous Ones would first of all have been YOUNGER than Neo. Probably as young as the children we see in the Oracles office in M1. If the previous Ones were Neo-copies why should they not have known love? We already saw the screens in M1, were neo was about to be interviewed by agent Smith, and no one around here is trying to claim it shows Neo and his five predecessors having ALL been interviewed by Smith. Because then the previous five loops would have been complete copies of the run of the Matrix we’re in now, and that means there would also have been five Trinity’s and five love-affairs before this one. In blatant contradiction with what the Architect tells Neo.
So either
a) the previous Ones were not and did not even look like Neo, or
b) the previous Ones also knew love.
Hodgie> For one who claims to know everything, you lack knowledge of a simple sentence: Neo will not kill the Architect, as they will NOT meet again.
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Phoenix> For the following simple reasons: Love is not an alien emotion to people once they pass into their teen-age years. All the other potentials in the Oracles apartment are children, showing that the Oracle is looking for the One to be young, and finally: Morpheus says in M1 that the rebels usually do not free a mind when it passes a certain age, as it has too much trouble adjusting to reality.
Oh, and back to the question: The Merovingian could not be a previous One, since he obviously knew love when he arrived in the Matrix. It is possible that he’s some kind of loose digital self, freed from a body, but a seriously doubt it.
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