i think they just made a t850 so that he could say that shitty thing that he can be conrtolled by OTHER MACHINES and that he has those 2 hydrogen cells, which is how the t850 eventually destroyed the tx.. pathetic
T-101 is merely an indication for his appearance. T-101s look lke schwartznegger and eg T-106s look like more effeminate dark haired caucasian men. The First two cyborgs were from the less advanced infantry.
I joined here 'cause of this thread. I'm very surprised about the shaber's knowledge of the Terminators.
I hope u can help me w/ that:
How many GHz and GB RAM and how many TiB hard drive space does an Terminator 800 or 850 Series have?
Today we're about 3 GHz, 1 GB RAM and 0,2 or 0,3 TiB hard drive space in an standard computer. Well, of course there are overclocked 6 GHz Pentium 4 and we also have people w/ 2 and 4 GB RAM and 1 TB space on their drives, but the Modell 800 is a standard massproduction computer like the 3 GHz computer above today.
It would be interesting how far we're in the future. Well, nobody thought about 3000 - 4000 MHz computer in 25 years seen from 1990 w/ 1 MHz 486 afaik the rigth date
When in hive mode the cyborg's thinking is impaired. the T2 EE timeline had a SkyNET which had learned from the mistakes of its own creators and did not allow its mechanical innfantry to think too deeply. That's another error with T3, the TX brand is supposed to be very intelligent, so logically they might be able to think for itself and turn against SkyNET.
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Well, u didn't mention the tech. specs of the T-800/T-850 w/ harddrive space or CPU frequency or amount of Memory (RAM).
IMO they SkyNET saw the failure of the bloody death machines like the two T-800 Arnies and they decided 2 change their strategie in T3 2 a higher developed machine w/ real brain (TX) and not only killing like the infantry bots 4 killing and nothing else. They are cheap and easy 2 produce. Not more, not less.
IMO there isn't that break in T3.
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# Important Dates (and Twisted Chronology):
1984: The Terminator is sent to 1984 to kill Sarah Connor before she can give birth to resistance leader John Connor. Interestingly, this has the opposite effect, as Kyle Reese is sent back to the same time to protect Sarah and they have a productive one-night stand, ultimately yielding John. Perhaps if the machines never sent back the Terminator, Kyle never would have come back and John never would have been born? Or is it only his name that matters, genetics secondary.
Roughly 10 Years Later: The Terminator returns, this time to protect Sarah and John against the T-1000, and liquid metal bad guy. While John should, in theory, be 10 years old, James Cameron casts newcomer Edward Furlong, who's roughly 14 when the film is released. This hiccup in the chronology still annoys some fans, who have written essays explaining why "T2" could take place in any of a half-dozen years.
Aug. 29, 1997: The artificial intelligence computer defense system Skynet becomes self-aware and launches its nuclear arsenal on U.S. enemies abroad (really savvy fans know this advanced sentience kicked in at 2:14 a.m. ET). The subsequent system and retaliations and counter-attacks wipes out much of the human population and opens the door for the machines to take over the world. Known as Judgment Day, Sarah and John Connor in theory prevented this Armageddon in the second movie.
Several Years Later: "Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines" begins with John Connor at the age of 22, which either means that the year is 2006 or maybe 2000 if you accept that John was 13 in the second movie and that it took place in 1991.
2029: Humanity, led by John Connor (now sporting really unfortunate scars all over his face) is on the verge of destroying Skynet forever. Skynet sends back the first Terminator to kill Sarah. Subsequent Terminators are sent as their predecessors fail. Humanity keeps sending back plucky, but overmatched heroes, despite the fact that the job is in a constant loop.
# Important Robots:
T-1: The first Terminator makes its first appearance in "Terminator 3." An ungainly and boxy robot, it seems capable of causing an awful lot of destruction, but it more closely resembles a tank than a person, rendering it largely ineffectively in more details-orient reconnaissance missions.
T-800:Known by the futuristic-inclined as "The Ah-nold Model." A fairly impressive improvement over the initial T-1, the T-800s are cybernetic organisms, human flesh over metallic structure. These new models resemble beefy weightlifters and professional wrestlers. They're also programmed to speak with mysterious, thick Eastern European accents, making them both difficult to understand and frustrating to trace. Unfortunately, they're designed with limited emotional range, but they can be programmed to use progressive modern slang like "I'll be back." Can be taught limited verbiage in at least one language in addition to English (i.e. "Hasta la vista, baby"). The massive advance over the T-1, raises questions of a, say, T-435, which has many of the same advantages of the T-800, but unfortunately resembles Squiggy from "Laverne and Shirley."
T-1000: Yet another massive improvement over the previous model. Made out of liquid metal, the T-1000 can absorb any amount of gunfire and can turn itself into any being it comes in contact with. The major upgrade is that the new model is slimmer and more streamlined and can now speak in an American accent. Dramatic range still remains limited, though, and the T-1000 is hampered by his inability to transform himself into multi-part weapons like guns. This model is adept at becoming pointy, shiny, metal weapons, though, like murderous toothpicks. Unfortunately susceptible to extremes in heat and cold. Prone to hesitation in several crucial moments.
T-X:A far more attractive model than any previous makes. The T-X has many of the advantages of the T-1000, but the added dimension of a malleable pansexuality. The T-X has many new skills that shouldn't be spoiled for people intending to view "Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines."
# Some Important Humanoids to Remember:
Sarah Connor: Makes the plausible transition from vapid waitress to Earth Mother of the Free World to butt-kicking warrior queen within two movies. Becomes increasingly buff and increasingly insane and is gone by the third movie, having done her job by producing and repeatedly saving the future leader of the world.
John Connor: The savior of humanity (note, in true subtle Cameron style, his telling initials). Goes from proto-zygote in the first film to petulant teenager in the second to slightly-deranged junkie in the third. Also morphs from Edward Furlong to Nick Stahl. If they didn't keep reminding us that eventually John's going to save humanity, it would be tough to believe.
Kyle Reese: In the future, he's one of John Connor's top aides. In the present, he's a gun-toting sperm donor. He saves Sarah's life and teaches her what it takes to be a soldier. Most importantly, though, in the few hours they spent together, they loved a lifetime's worth.
Dr. Peter Silberman: Earl Boen's officious police psychologist is the only character besides the T-800 to appear in all three movies. It's difficult to know why.
The SkyNET production line began with the rubbish T-400 model. They were non intelligent, rusty and weren't really even humanoid. In the early days of the war it would have been possible to see a platoon of them being led by a T-500 to a demolished human lair.
I have some comments about a potential T1000 versus T-X fight.
The simple fact is that the T-X has a plasma cannon. Plasma is hotter than molten steel. Obviously the plasma is a bit subdued in T3 as it doesn't instantly destroy the T850, but the plasma cannon would definitely damage the T1000 and the T-X is capable of firing it many times. The only limitation of the plasma cannon is that it takes time to form the weapon itself and it appears that it needs to be "charged up" before it can be fired giving it a slow rate of fire.
Also, the T-X seems to be extremely resistant to attack. Pistol and shotgun rounds knocked the T1000 and T850 back but the T-X doesn't even blink when being shot. The only lasting damage sustained by the T-X was the result of an RPG-7 anti-tank weapon, a heavy military helicopter pinning her (sort of like Arnold getting his arm stuck in the gear in T2) and the Terminator's hydrogen reactor detonating inside her skull.
The conclusion is that T1000 is suceptible to heat and corrosion, and the T-X has built in thermal weapons. The advantage is hers. That isn't to say the T1000 couldn't win depending on circumstances, but T-X has the advantage in this fight.
Basically if the T1000 can destroy the T-Xs plasma cannon (like Arnie did) then it would be an even fight that could go either way.
This is more then likely the result of Cameron retconning in Terminator 2.
In the first Terminator film, Reese explains that the Terminator is a "Cyberdyne Systems Model One-Zero-One." He mentions that the 600-series has rubber skin, but if you listen carefully there is no mention at all of an 800-series. Nowhere in the dialouge or in any text in the film at all.
Flash forward to 1992. Terminator 2 is released. Arnold claims he is a "Cyberdyne Systems Model One-Oh-One." Throughout the theatrical cut of the film there is no dialouge of any sort that mentions 600-series or 800-series, but "Officer Austin" is called a T1000.
In the extended/special edition of the film, a cut scene was added where the Terminator's CPU is removed and set so that he can learn from human interaction. (Though this does not have to be done in T1, where he learns the line "**** you ***hole" from one of the punks he kills in the opening sequence). When he restarts in his vision is a line of text that reads "Cyberdyne Systems Model 101, Series 800, Version 2.4"
In Terminator 3, Arnold calls himself a "Tee-One-Oh-One." There is no mention in the film itself of an 800 or 850 series, but it is all over the official movie website that he is an 850.
What is the official explanation as of now? Officially Arnold's skin is "101" and his skeleton is "800" or "850." "Version 2.4" is probably the software package he was running in T2 (which is evidently different then in T1 and T3).
That is no what it originally was though. Logic dictates that skeleton was originally supposed to be the CSM-101. This is because Reese knew it was a CSM-101, but he didn't know what the Terminator looked like. If he knew it was a CSM-101 and that was based on what skin model he had, then Reese should have been able identify him immediately. Kyle mentions that he couldn't identify the Terminator until it attacked Sarah.
Further example of Cameron retconning includes changing the "No Fate" poem between the first and second Terminator, and somehow endowing Sarah Connor with the exact date of Judgment Day despite the fact that Reese never told her.
It's important to recognize this distinction, because as pointed out, Cameron (and Mostow) have altered the Terminator story by making sequals. Everyone likes to point the finger at Mostow for altering these things and causing confusion, but Cameron did the same thing. He just happened to make a better movie in the process.