Meh I already addressed what Flash said as idle boasting.
Barry was out of control, the crazed look on his face while Superman was holding on to him said it all, he could not stop running of his own free will. Only when the head-band came off.
He may not have been in the 'mindset' needed to go into the speedforce, but he was clearly going as fast as he could without going into the speed force.
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"He was clearly going as fast as he could without going into the speed force"?
No. Absolutely nothing in that comic was suggestive of Flash going all-out--- quite the contrary, in fact. I'll take Flash's statement that he let Superman catch him, over your opinion that he didn't.
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I'll take the fact that Flash could not stop running at all, which means a lack of control over his speed--which was sheer FACT mind you--over a boastful statement from him after the fact. His claim of letting Superman catch him didn't even make sense, as if he was in such control of his speed, he should have simply stopped to allow Superman to grab hold of the headband quicker and with no struggle. He had to get Superman's attention through other means because he had no way of stopping himself.
Barry's face while running is indicative of nothing, there was no emotion on his face when he left Clark behind in Flash: Rebirth either. There was however a crazed look on his face when Clark grabbed him and he couldn't stop moving his legs.
Superman caught him, while Flash was out of control. Meaning in that instant he was going faster than him.
Which was impressive as at that same speed Barry was transforming an entire city in Colorado into cityscapes from Krypton from varying ages, creating buildings and architecture over the current ones, creating props, and knitting costumes for every pedestrian on the street, all in seconds. Each one interestingly enough was painted in full color as well.
Hell, that feat more or less shits on Wally saving 500,000 people from the bomb.
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The only evidence is a singular claim on his part at the end of the whole scene. Which makes no sense in the context of things.
Hell, he was trying to make things to get Superman's attention, or so he claims, but even once Superman realized it was Barry and started chasing after him, Barry was STILL making random props and stuff from all the Kryptonian imagery filling his head. Meaning it was involuntary, and he still zig-zagged around making Clark's chase as miserable as possible, as Clark barely managed to miss him at least once before finally catching him. All of that is counter-intuitive to the claim that he 'let' Clark catch him, and also his initial stated reason for trying to find Clark as he felt only he could help him.
Not any other Flash, that he could have easily found and then 'slowed down' to let them figure the obvious out, but Clark.
Fact. He could not stop running or moving or doing anything related to what the headband was doing to his head. Meaning he had no control of his body.
Fact. Barry only made a claim at the end, which then completely contradicts and is counter-intuitive to his actions during the chase and his initial statement for looking for Clark in the first place.
And no, I have the comic, he never once stated he 'slowed down' once he found Superman, he simply claimed he 'let him' catch him, while at the same time the headband was not even allowing him to move in a simple enough manner to make that claim feasible.
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After Supes removed the headband Flash states: "I thought you'd never work it out"--- Meaning he was aware of what was happening on some conscious level.
Anyway, statements from the comic itself are of a higher level of canonicity than your opinionated claims... So I'm going to keep on regarding the former as fact. You won't be changing my mind.
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Sure, he knew what was going on, he had no apparent control whatsoever over what he was doing however, hence he was still changing around the city and building stuff even after Clark realized it was him and started chasing him.
K, I'll take the actions of a scene over a boastful throwaway statement at the end which contradicts said action.
Yes, Flash was running at an unknown rate of speed that was clearly not his maximum(supported not only by artistic depiction, but also character statements), and Superman caught him.
...Yet you are equating that to Superman being equal to Flash in the speed department, and acting as though the blatant scene in Flash Rebirth is non-canon.
Yeah, makes perfect sense.
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Lol, just a quick post right now. Later I will address properly.
Jedi, SO.... You agree that Superman can move FTL? and that you were making an argument of IGNORANCE?
And quote
Which leads to my next point
So either:
A) You are lying, because if you DID read it, you will know that Superman can move FTL, WHICH JUDGING BY THIS POST: you didn't.
B) You did read it, but apparently you are not very bright, because if you were at least average bright, you will understand that Superman moves faster than light aaaaaaaaand you will not say
C) You are just trolling and "You are always right"?
You should change that tittle under the sig because after this: "I'm always right" is just a straight up lie.
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Well, well, if it ain’t mr. ½ infinity himself. How you doing sunshine?
I understand that logic, reason, and comprehension are not your forte but I’ll do my best to keep this brief so I don’t lose your attention.
Go back and look at the image YOU posted, the writer wrote supes has to build up as much mass as possible to ATTEMPT said feat, that it is an unusual EFFORT for him, and that he was trying to stay under LIGHT SPEED in that panel.
Which means (drum rolls) that he does not do it anytime he wants and the only place he can build mass like that is in outer space.
Try educating yourself for a change so that you won’t consistently sound like a habitual fool.
OA is not at the center of the universe, just at the center of their assigned sectors in the (key word) KNOWN universe which does not encompass the ENTIRE universe. Nobody knows OA’s location within the universe.
For all you know, OA could be in the milky way galaxy, in the next solar system. Even your boy Rao Kal agreed with that.
Tell me something, how many lightyears or less is OA from earth? The universe is infinite, how do you determine the center of infinity?
I like wiki’s, anybody can write them. I know you won't go read it, so here just for you :
pay close attention to the section where it states:
“Despite the name of the Guardians (who call themselves the Guardians of the Universe) the correct name for the regions of our galaxy which their Green Lantern Corp have jurisdiction seems limited to our galaxy proper and has been called 'The Oan Protectorate'”
“Each sector is shaped like a triangular wedge pointing towards OA, which is considered the center of the universe, a term which is at times DEBATABLE.”
One last thing, if OA was at the center of the universe per your logic, why wasn’t it in that picture you posted?"
No, I’m just smarter than you can comprehend.
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Now maybe it’s just me, but according to Roa Kal’s logic batman must have a trigger pull FTL since he was able to pull the trigger and shoot darkseid before his omega beams could hit him….
OR you're just reaching because you have nothing better to say.
I was only agreeing with his statement that the flash is faster than superman and that it has been established, you know, that whole second part of his post you seemed to omit. nice try though.
i was wondering when you would resort to calling me a troll cause things didn't go your way. glad you didn't let me down. it feels good to be right.....
you mad?
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No? I was just pointing out on how you detracted from your post that Superman cannot run ftl, but since you We are on topic and WE can clarify this.
I'm asking you this
Can Superman move FTL?
This way WE will know if
You acknowledge that Superman moves FTL or you are just trolling.
BTW, I did not call you troll, I said that You were trolling, which is not the same. just to point out another one of your mistakes.
But honestly and this is my very personal point of view which is not about the topic. I think you just don't like Superman. Just a wild guess from your sig, and just come here for shits and giggles and from time time you might like trolling people. But I don't think you are a troll.
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Um. no.
The force is not very strong with you, my young padawan.
Darkseid is broadcasting to the whole world that he is getting ready to fire.
You know, like when people dodge bullets? they see the attack coming, unless you think Batman is not trained enough to realize when someone is ABOUT to fire.
Per say Batman dodges bullets not because he is faster than the bullet, but because he sees and knows when someone is about to fire and moves accordingly. Nice try though
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LOL, NO NO NO, PLEASE you are killing me.
Let me guide you though this one.
Since apparently you have not even read the comic....
Beeeeeeefore I do that, let me ask you this. Have you even read that comic? I'm asking you, because that way I will know how to explain this feat to you. Because basically you got it all wrong.
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Last edited by Rao Kal El on Feb 28th, 2013 at 12:48 AM
i believe i clearly stated my stance about two pages ago. no, he can't fly FTL. light speed, yes. Honestly, this thread is about who is faster between flash and supes. this debate came up because you stated flash is only faster on the ground, like it matters when you're discussing beings that can travel at light speed.
no, i dont hate superman. i hate fanboyism, blind loyalty to a brand. i dislike comic book superman, enjoy the hell out of animated superman.
but the sig was for shits and giggles.
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OK, So basically you are DENYING THE EVIDENCE. Even though Galan (who is in no way shape or form a Superman fanboy) is telling you that Superman is capable of FTL.
Also PR and Cosmic who by judging by their post on the subject are more familiar with the character than you.
Even after the scans and people telling you that, you still thinkk Superman cannot move FTL.
That is denying the evidence and is a tactic used often on debates, but just because you deny the evidence it does not makes you right. You are basically wrong.
Thanks for answering though.
Cool that you like the animated series, but that is not canon.
We are basically talking about the Superman you don't like, the one in the comics.
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Feb 27th, 2013 03:34 PM
Jedi, SO.... You agree that Superman can move FTL? and that you were making an argument of IGNORANCE? 
