Omega: Keep this in mind. Zeus and Demeter were the parents of Persephone.
Imo The Oracle and Persephone are not equals.
We still can't discount the fact that the Architech/Zeus may have been bluffing, or straight out lying to Neo about the Oracle's involvement in building or upgrading the Martix.
As you stated Persephone is not a very motherly type of person.
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Yes I have, and I must say it is a very good read.
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In response to the child comment from ETM in relation to the oracle:
I haven't played ETM through to the end, so I'm not sure how the "child" is mentioned in reference to the movie. However, in just looking at the word child, I come to the conclusion of "The Kid" from Animatrix and Reloaded. Any possibility there? He did give Neo the spoon in the Zion..
Or.....
The child that was in the Oracle's apartment that handed Neo the spoon and somewhat enlightened him in the concept of "There is no spoon..." Could he/she have something to do with the "Child" reference??
Just my thoughts.....
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[[The Omega]] In response to the child comment from ETM in relation to the oracle:
I haven't played ETM through to the end, so I'm not sure how the "child" is mentioned in reference to the movie. However, in just looking at the word child, I come to the conclusion of "The Kid" from Animatrix and Reloaded. Any possibility there? He did give Neo the spoon in the Zion..
Or.....
The child that was in the Oracle's apartment that handed Neo the spoon and somewhat enlightened him in the concept of "There is no spoon..." Could he/she have something to do with the "Child" reference??
Just my thoughts.....
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While it is possible that Michael Popper is the child refered to, i'm not thinking that he is. I'm not discounting it, but i don't think so. Also, it is possible that the boy from Matrix, "there is no spoon", could be the child, but we have no evidence that he has anything else to do with the sequels. Again, i'm not discounting your theories, they are plausible, but, more than likely, i think the child is someone we have not met yet.
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"The only thing that interferes with my learning is my education." Imagination is more important than knowledge.
Knowledge is limited. Imagination encircles the world.
Sorry bout that....First time I've really used a forum....
Found the edit function, but won't let me delete my previous posts.....
I must say though, there are some pretty good theories about how this is going to end... I think there is more to "The Kid" than we know yet..... After watching the AniMatrix a few times, it really only adds more questions and only answers a couple.
Thanks for the welcome
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Oh keep this in mind. Unlike Korri I charge for my services.
So feel free to ask for my help.
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Urot> I am keeping that in mind. Perhaps they (Architect/Oracle) wrote Persephone at some point in time to investigate human emotions?
(I reread my post: It’s a little confusing. I was offering suggestions to what Persephone COULD be.)
I don’t think the Architect is bluffing. Computer programs do not lie. If you think it over, not a single program has told a lie this far. They may be “evil” agents of the system, power-brokers, or guardians, but they tell the truth. So if not a single program have lied this far, I don’t think the Architect did either.
Magicrat> In EtM Ghost meets up with the Oracle who has a new “look”: She explains, that two programs she once trusted sold the termination code of her old shell to the Merovingian to protect their child. When asked why she let them do that, the Oracle replies that she think that one day he child will be important to both man and machine.
I’ve read the Matrix Comic, and Hope is not the child mentioned by the Oracle. The Oracle says “Important”, not “hope” in ETM. It may be ANOTHER child (remember, most people freed from the Matrix are “The Kid” age.). Hope, however is capable of shape-changing in the “real world”, which is quite extraordinary. No human can do that. Either the real world IS a matrix, or Hope is a machine (maybe with nanotech like T-1000 from T2).
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I hate to keep repeating it, and if i'm wrong, you can all send me nasty messages after we see Revolutions, but i believe that Zion is a program, just like the Matrix...
Also, wouldn't choice be considered part of emotion, or would it be a cross between reason and emotion?
JediHDM> I’m just not a big fan of the Matrix within the Matrix theory. But Hope is sure making a case for it.
I wouldn’t call choice an emotion. Choice is deciding between possibilities. Emotions are felt. I can’t really FEEL a choice (unless I decide to jump from my balcony that is ), nor choose an emotion.
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Omega> Yeah, but there has to be some way to "classify" choice. I mean, some people make decisions based on emotion, some based on reason, and some are somewhere in the middle. If i were to classify choice, i would say that it is the offspring of Reason and Emotion. Do you see where i'm going?
Yes, but I disagree that CHOICE, as an act, is an emotion. It’s something all by itself. Both are part of what makes us human. Emotions AND our ability to chose between various possibilities.
Choice is the offspring of possibilities. (Confuses self now )
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umm now was it just me, or did ALL of you misread the comic. Not once did Hope change outside the matrix, it happened all inside. You only see Hope outside the matrix one time, as a little girl, her *original* form. That is, of course, when the captain returns from Zion. Correct?
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Sep 9th, 2003 01:15 AM
L awww thats so sweet
