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Ushgarak
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I'm sure that they do. But it is still unhelpful.

The Israelis hate Arafat just as much and with just as muich justifcation. Sharon's election was controversial, to be sure, but then so is the whole region.

Of course, we would all like it to just be a case of good guys and bad guys, but in the end it's a huge almost irreocverable mess.

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Jun 20th, 2001 12:21 AM

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The palistinians have weapons enough, only thing is they seem to aim to the sky when they shoot. They have a lot of explosive they even have their own army, no match for the Israeli army, but then again no Middle east countries would stand a chance against the Israeli army. They kicked some Arab butt before and will not hessitat to do it again given a chance.
A german tv team went to Hebron to see what happened, they didnt bring a camera. When they arrived it was all quiet, an hour later they got a camera on the scene and when the palesinians saw the camera they cherged towards the Israeli soldiers throwing rocks. The Germans got therir story, but it was headlined as "no camera no show". Arafath tried to stop this documentary, but all in vain. You may say this is a one sided documentary showing some bad sides of the Palistinian side.
RAZ what I mean by cleaning up our own backyard is we have enough domestic problems to sort out before we can put an effort into foreign stuff. UN have to be for some reason so this ought to be their task.

Jun 20th, 2001 01:25 AM

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Ushgarak
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As I talked to Raz about earlier, UN intervention is a very, very bad idea for many reasons. Peacekeeping intervention, that is. Keep on the Diplo pressure as much as possible.

Jun 20th, 2001 01:29 AM

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Sorry Raz, but I'm sure these people have never been concerned with the problems of Ireland (except to participate n supply of illegal arms maybe). Or the civil unrest of the likes of Bolton, though I appreciate that Bolton and the similar incidents were of a much smaller nature.

I am pretty certain that not one person from the region has thought about the people that died in the Real IRA car bombing a few weeks ago. People in our country, and immediate neighbours, are also dieing.

The issues of the middle east are by no means new, they have been around for many, many years and have roots in history that go too far back.

Jun 20th, 2001 04:22 AM

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I thought the civil unrest was in Oldham.

Jun 20th, 2001 11:26 AM

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Actually, you are correct. Dunno where I got Bolton from but it just shows what a bad person I am to have gotten that wrong... sad

OK, must go and start the next genocide I guess. roll eyes (sarcastic)

(That was a little steep Raz!!!)

Jun 20th, 2001 12:07 PM

queeq
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Adolf RC?

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carefull queeq smile

Jun 20th, 2001 01:09 PM

Ushgarak
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I recently read all the previous unpleasantness in that area while doing my 'Name that Poster' research...

Jun 20th, 2001 11:20 PM

queeq
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Nice wasn't it? evil face

Okay, this one's pretty good as well. Israel has decided once again not too retaliate for that assault this week. Even though there is still violence from both sides in that area, Arafat is accusing Israel of manipulating the West by holding on to the cease fire agreement. Looks like a typical damned if you do, damned if you don't situation to me.

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Jun 21st, 2001 12:28 AM

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queeq, we're not playing the blame game. But to give another side to that story, you must remember that the bombing was done by Hezbollah (sp?), NOT by the Palestinian people on the streets.

If everytime we recieve an IRA bomb, do we bomb Ireland? NO! Because its wrong!

As once Mahatma Gandhi said "An eye for an eye only ends up making the whole world blind."

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queeq
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HEy, RC's starting the genocide. Not me.

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Jun 21st, 2001 04:08 AM

queeq
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I wasn't blaming anyone. And I agree with you, don't get me wrong. It just strikes me that accusations go back and forth and that there are so many groups the so-called leaders have no control over.
For instance, Palestinians have PLO, Hamas, Jihad and there is also Hezbollah running around free. THe ISraeli's have their army, the extreme right religious groups and the colonists. When colonists harass or shoot Palestinians, Arafat blames the government. When Hamas or Jihad kills Israeli's, Sharon blames Arafat.
There is just no way this situation can be resolved until all parties accept their leaders and their decisions, knowing that these problems concerning Israel have been going on since 1948.... troublesome.

Oh, and your comparison to Ireland is not really accurate. The IRA terrorists are comparable to Hamas or Jihad for sure, but they are not connected to the government of Ireland. That's why bombing would be inappropraiate in any case. Now, if the Irish government would openly support and finance the IRA, I'm sure there would be quite a different situation.

[ June 21, 2001: Message edited by: queeq ]

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To some one looking in, without much knowledge of the background, it seems to me that you have various factions in each coutry all trying to fight their own little wars and with no central leadership confusion reigns.

Jun 21st, 2001 01:26 PM

queeq
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That's it actually. This is even besides all the religious aspects. There is central leadership but there are many factions going their own way. Yet the central leadership has to do the negotiations.

I think that when Arafat dies, the shit will hit the fan over there.

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Jun 21st, 2001 01:28 PM

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In a very big way...

Jun 21st, 2001 01:31 PM

queeq
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It's kind of interesting really. He's pretty much a control freak and he doesn't allow anyone to become too powerful. So when he dies, I'm sure all the Palestinian organisations will go for the leadership. A vacuum of power.... very dangerous over there.

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Jun 21st, 2001 01:44 PM

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Those fraction dont care about Arafath now, only thing is the Palistinians may break up into smaller fraction when he dies and he will die soon he looks sick and exhausted.

Jun 21st, 2001 03:08 PM