It appears that Star Trek is not being defended enough. Allthat those that say Star Trek "sucks" and is boring have never seen past The Next Generation or their movies. Obviously, they would not have seen such Deep Space Nine which is dark. The characters all have flaws and personality traits and they never always do the right thing. Voyager is quite well done as well. The characters also have flaws (although they never really got into Harry Kim as much as I would have liked them to) TNG is by far my least favorite Star Trek spin off. I could go into detail but since this isn't a debate over which Trek is the best, I digress.
Before I prove points I will state that I love Star Trek as much as I do Star Wars. I have seen every single Star Trek episode and movie at least five times and I have also watched all the Star Wars movies and played both Nights of The Old Republic to the end. I am a diehard ci-fi fan and I know that I am a geek. Laugh if you wish to. I don't care.
The costuming in Star Trek is actually very well done. If you judge only by the Star Fleet uniform then you are sadly misled.
I believe that it was stated in a previous post(s) that Star Trek is about everybody being peaceloving on Earth and working to better ourselves. This is true, Earth in Star Trek is Socialism at its finest although it still has its probelms. It also disregarded the fact that there are other planets that aren't as "evolved" as humans are. "Evolved humans" are put in question in many episodes such as the Siege of something or other. There, humans are fighting to retain a key point from an enemy (yes, they do go to war) and left there for months. They are edgey, unpleasant to be around and, yes, dirty(as was previously posted that it wasn't in Star Trek. Although the comment may only include the movies which is correct.) And a non human that came there also (I won't explain the reasons or the episode to you) that humans are a happy, friendly people but take away their holosuites (an entertainment in Star Trek), showers, and full bellies and they are as violent as the most blood thirsty klingon(a violent species)
To go back on topic with the probelms of Earth, it is shown very well in the episodes where there is a scare that shapeshifters are on earth. They are the enemy to Earth and the Federation during a war. Mass paranoia was taken to the public and tests to prove that you were in fact not a shapeshifter were taken. An innocent man (a main character) had a booched test and thought that he was a shapeshifter and as such put in prison. In reality it was a high ranking Star Fleet officer who did this because he believed that Earth needed to be a sort of "police state" if you will. Point the second is Section 31. They are a rogue group of Federation citizens whose sole purpose is to protect the Federation at all costs. They assassinate, spy, meddle in internal planetary affairs of other planets (it is against the law). They even have high ranking officers in Star Fleet. Star Fleet has turned a blind eye to them because they are helping them when Section 31 is as well, undermining the very foundations that the Federation was founded on. If that isn't curruption, I don't know what is.
I could go indepth on the curruption of the Dominion, Klingons, Romulans, Cardassions etc. but I don't have enough time. Star Trek needed a good defense to some of those ignorant to it.
Star Wars I, II, III: great FX, terrible plots, terrible acting, terrible editing
Star Wars IV: seminal movie, good effects for the time, simple but integral plot, simple archetypal characters
Star Wars V, VI: good sequals with solid, albeit simple and linear plot/character development, bad editing
Overall Star Wars: characters are too simplistic to have any real emotional impact, plot is too simple to provide any real intellectual interest, but a great rollercoster ride if you ignore that, not really science fiction, just pure fantasy -- absolutely no attempt to deal with science at all
Star Trek TOS: campy, seminal TV series which introduced a mixed race cast
Star Trek TNG: challenged viewers by not having a cookie-cut Hollywood captain, interesting character development, some interesting moral issues
Star Trek DS9: sorry never watched it; might do, but never thought a Trek should be on a station
Star Trek Voy: female captain -- daring move; some interesting plots, but all-in-all too repetitive, sappy and soapy
Star Trek TMP: cool to see TOS crew back together; not cool to see the stupid uniforms; cool to see the same camp; cool concept with v'ger
Star Trek II WoK: good character exploration and conflict; better costumes
Star Trek III SfS: a little bit too soapy, no really new SciFi concepts, just a simple story about two friends
Star Trek IV TVH: directed by Nimoy (which is neither here nor there); the beginning of the ST obsession with time travel (yawn)
Star Trek V TFF: directed by Shatner, simply rubbish, but not surprising
Star Trek VI TUC: slightly better than IV and V, but still a formulaic rehash of old concepts
Star Trek Gen: nice to see the TNG crew together again; disappointed by poor script and bad direction
Star Trek FC: better acting, better script, tired of the BORG already (yawn), time travel (bigger yawn)
Star Trek Ins: same old, same old -- nothing new
Star Trek Nem: BIIIIIG FLOP, mediocre plot, mediocre script, mediocre everything
Overall Star Trek: interesting in the begining, should have stopped while they were ahead, the ST spirit died with Roddenberry, can be casually labelled science fiction -- there was some attempt to draw from credible scientific sources (minimal, but at leas there was an effort)
Preference?
For FX: SW
For vision: ST
For imagination: SW
For moral exploration: ST
For character exploration: ST
For scientific credibility: ST (a little)
DS9 imo is a show you simply have to watch before judging star trek... it had some of the best tv writing i've ever seen in a show... it all seemed to click so well together...
first contact... tired of the borg? before voyager came along they were on of the greatest enemies in star trek...
i dont know but as a kid i used to watch star trek but now i watch star wars more because i relate to anakin skywalker alot in the film and i love Hayden Christensen
Well, if you haven't noticed lately, Star Wars was like way way WAY more in the future than StarTrek.I like Star Wars because it shows a moral to all the movies. The moral is....love one another no matter what!That moral is being showed in every Star Wars movie. Ep.I, Obi Won loved Qui-Gonn soo much that he didn't want him to die. Ep.II, when Dooku and Obi Won were fighting, and when Obi got hit by the lightsaber and was fixing to get cut in-half by Dooku, Anakin saved his life! Ep.III, Obi Won loved Anakin sooo much that he talked to him about how much he loved him and didn't want to lose him after he cut off Anakin's legs and arm(sorry if this is a spoiler to people who haven't seen the movie). Ep.IV, Hon loved Luke soo much that he saved Luke's life by shooting the other TIE fighter that was next to Darth Vader's TIE fighter just before Vader was about to shoot Luke while he was going to destroy the Death Star. Ep.V, Hon loved Leia soo much that he gave up smuggling to be with her. And Ep.VI, Darth Vader loved Luke sooooooo much that he killed the Emperor while he was shocking Luke. *out of breath* so you see, love is the moral to Star Wars. Thank you all!
I say both. And also for those regard Star Wars as major science fiction, I found this quote from Lucas in a magazine concerning wether or not SW is deep science fiction "Don't expect to see alot of science fiction in these movies, cause there isn't any."
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I'm sorry, but every time I watch star trek I fall asleep. It's like I've been hit over the head with something. Plot line seems kind of dull.
On the other hand star wars keeps my attention. Never fall asleep unless you count the new star wars movies. I did have a few moments of boredom their. Just the love parts mainly.
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And farscape owns
Jun 7th, 2005 02:48 PM
wat i think ?
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